Ben-DutkaThe original SimulView PlayStation Display allowed you to enjoy split-screen entertainment without actually having to split the screen. Nifty technology, but it was only available in a 24" package.
Well, Sony has gone above and beyond by not only making a much bigger screen but also increasing the resolution to totally epic proportions. The amazing new SimulView Display will be a ridiculous 84" and support 3D. Oh, but that's not the fun part: It'll also ditch that paltry 1080p resolution for 4K resolution (3,840 x 2,160).
I'm not really sure, but I think that's more real than real. The TV will also come packed with a 50W front-facing, 2-way, 10-unit speaker system featuring S-Force Front Surround 3D that simulates 5.1 sound, plus a fresh XCA8-4K chip that upscales high-definition. There's no knowing how much Sony will charge for this bad boy when it becomes available at the end of this year, but if you want it, we suggest you start saving your pennies.
The PlayStation world is gonna look even more amazing in the next generation…prepare yourself.
Interesting, thissounds pretty sweet. But I am just now able to afford a 3D tv. I can't keep up!
DAY-AMN, that's one big bad boy! It's WAY to big I think; won't fit on many places… the price has to be like 7K, right?
Now the only missing link is the PS4. Hope that the price will be much lower when the PS4 is finally release. And I hope that I have a lot of money when that time comes.
Impressive! I cant wait to see it.
The price is going to hurt.
Also will the 4k makes it's way to the DLP rear projection TV's?
Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 8/29/2012 9:56:52 PM
DLP rear projection is all but dead, only one manufacturer still makes them.
Mitsubishi brand I think of. Anyways It doesn't matter to me, their bulky tv's anyways.
Deal breaker for most of you-
It's long rumoured to be in th price range of $30000. Here is a link with that rumour:-
http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/21/sony-80-inch-xbr-tv-4k-resolution/
84??? Is it April 1st again already???
not really all that shocking, at E3 2011 panasonic had a 100 inch 1080p tv. Was awesome.
Just trying to make a point that the average consumer will only get to see this in dreamland.
Good thing I graduate in December; I can maybe dream of affording this thing! I appreciate their inclusion of a 5.1 simulation, but I'll definitely be providing my own audio system. Just built a stereo pair of loudspeakers for a class last year, and I want to build 3 or 5 more plus a subwoofer. I will definitely need to replay Uncharted 3 when all of that happens!
If Sony's going all the way with this new HDTV badboy, I'm wonder why they didn't implement a true 7.1 surround sound system instead going with a 5.1 faked surround simulator?
Because with a TV like that there won't be much place for a sound system 😀 lol (well in my small 3 1/2) hahaha
Wait what?
It's not really faked surround sound. It uses sound waves, to rebound off the walls in your house for example. If it's anything like Mitsubishi already implements in some of their tv's then you can manually set up where the sound waves will rebound in your house to get the sense of surround.
The mitsubishi tv's have 16 speakers in them to accomplish this. Now I'm not tech freak on this stuff, I just know by experience. I didn't think it would work that great but a local company here has a booth set up with those Mitsubishi tv's and I wanted to try it out. It really does work as well as my surround set up, minus the speakers, wires, and receiver.
bigrailer19.
Thanks for the 411. I guess I shouldn't have used the word fake, so my bad.
FYI, I have a 10 double-cube Bose Lifestyle Surround sound system that's only 5.1, with adjustable sub woofer, bouncing off different 20 areas of my living room right now(plus my Sony stereo surround headset, lol)
But I'm far from being that tech-savvy too, and this inquiring mind was a bit boggled over the the differences of Sony not going to 7.1 vs the 5.1 they're going to use now.
So, is this new Sony HDTV surround similar to a(or like) built-in sound bar & if so, how good is an actual sound bar?(I once heard a $800 Yamaha stand-alone sound bar that seemed to sound pretty decent).
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Biker-
Oh your fine. I know it sounds like it wouldn't work like it does, I thought the same thing… Until I went and heard one. It works well. I'm not tech savvy really, just know basics, which is why I wanted to hear this surround set up built in to these tv's. If I hadn't heard it myself I would probably have said the same thing you did. 😉
Your setup sounds nice, I got my surround set up back in 2006 maybe even earlier, it's 5.1, but no HD. It's a Sony set up, and it works awesome for me. But I've been itching to get a 7.1 set up. We'll see.
Also I can't say how the speakers are set up on this Sony tv. The mitsubishi tv I seen (and heard) had 16 speakers in a row (as a bar would) below the viewing screen. It sounded crisp, clear and gave a sense of surround. It was nice. The question is do I prefer that over a receiver, sub and surround speakers. I don't know that I prefer it but if it came as an option to the tv I was buying, that's a big plus.
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 8/30/2012 3:27:59 PM
Bigrailer,
Thanks
Dear Santa…
Dear GOD!
I want one. Or at least a Crystal LED HDTV.
I hope this is Crystal LED.
3 problems;
1) I have a pretty decent sized home and I don't have a room in which this behemoth could be mounted and watched from an appropriate viewing distance. At best I might be able to get clost and put two seats close to the right distance, but the room would be devoid of furniture apart from that. In other words, this type of screen is not going to be appearing in a living room near you any time soon.
2) Film resolution at a typical cinema production is not far of 4K resolution. 4K resolution isn't even the standard in cinema projection systems yet. So I can't even begin to believe that this will have much more than negligible content.
3) At a typical viewing distance (i.e. the distance from the screen that you need to be to take in the entire picture without turning your head), the eye is incapable of resolving beyond a resolution similar to 1080p. If you were creating a wall display for displaying multiple 1080 feeds and some other information for multiple viewers watching different feeds, then perhaps. But other than that this is nothing more than huge overkill.
Yeah, I know people will criticize this comment because it sounds so against progress. It's not being against progress it's simple reality. The human retina has a certain number of receptors on it, the angle and distances can be calculated to determine how many pixels and at what distance they can be seen. People can argue with that all they like but there's really very little point.
If you go to the movies and a 4K projection system you will notice the difference if you set close to the screen, but you'll have to tilt your head constantly during the movie and turn your head to see what's going on since you're too close to take in the entire screen.
But you know consumers, setting aside the fact that nobody will be able to afford it they will say "human retina be damned!"
The right distance to view 40" 1080p HDTV is 8 feet right, the right distance for 84" 4K resolution let say about 16 feet, when you view it that way there's not much a different, but when you get closer for example a picture frame within a game in 1080p will be blurry even if you get closer but in 4K it will be clear if you get closer, it doesn't mean I have to be closer when I played games in 4K, but it will be nice knowing that if you stop and inspect the details closer it will be much more clearer, maybe they will put a lady bug in a leaves, you wouldn't notice it in safe distance but if you get closer there's a detailed lady bug in a leaf. It's like having a Ferrari even though it's not practical it is still awesome to have one. And I do want a Ferrari if I have the money.
Plus it upscales, just like your ps3 upscales dvds.
Homura, so you're saying that to get the benefit of this 4K screen you have to pause playback or pause your game and walk closer to the screen to see any difference?
Actually, if you have a moderate sized 1080p screen and go right up to it, the image is not blurry it's pixelated because you can see the individual pixels. the point about view distance is not whether you can distinguish a difference between 1080p and 2160p at 1 foot from the screen, but whether you can distinguish a difference at a normal viewing distance. If your eye is incapable of resolving individual pixels on the screen beyond a certain resolution at the normal comfortable viewing distance, why do you want or need a higher resolution? It's a pointless quadrupling of the image data.
Kraygen, upscaling adds no detail to the image. a 1080p image upscaled to 2160p (4K) would be every bit as blurry as a DVD upscaled to 1080p is if you look closely at the screen. Upscaling is pointless in any respect since your eye can't see the difference. All it will do is make the image more acceptable to someone standing a few feet from the monster screen. However at that distance you can't view the entire screen anyway, so what difference does it make?
About what you say for the fact we won't see a difference.
Have you had a look at Apple's retina display? Put it side by side with another macbook pro (retina and non-retina) and tell me you don't see a difference.
Image looks sharper but also because of the huge increase in pixels, contrasts are much better. The latter is what makes the biggest difference I think.
Anyway at 30k$ for a TV… They made sure I won't get one for a while but I think the higher the resolution, the better. You can put more things on screen and browsing the web on the TV will be much better.
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Don't take this the wrong way…I am not trying to criticize you, nor am I trying to get you mad…
However your science means absolutely nothing to the business world. They still sell 1080p 13" displays which if you look at the science is completely pointless. But they see it as a "feature" in which they can charge more money. Business has never cared whether it makes sense or if science backs it up, if they can charge for it and there happens to be any demand someone will sell it. Look at almost any industry and you can usually find something that makes no sense or just goes against what science would dictate as acceptable.
here's a link,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvtG4KD-A4Q
it is going to be expensive.
Rogue,
Do you have any idea how bad "However your science means absolutely nothing" sounds?
I states my 'opinion' based on objective science. It's not my science, it's simple science. When we start getting into discussions where science is dismissed as 'your science' as if to disown or discount the information, I tend to check out of the discussion because that tells me people are no longer discussing in a rational manner but leaning on opinion over fact.
I understand your point, but as I said to Beamboom, I'm departing this topic now.
One last thing. I find it incredibly amusing that people are blindly saying how 4K will be great vs 1080p. I say this because when 1080p came along similar (sometimes the same) groups were saying that 1080p was completely unnecessary and upscaled DVD was as good as BluRay. Science being science, it showed that there was an appreciable benefit to 1080p resolution at a normal viewing distance and that upscaled DVD was still DVD quality at 1080p since no additional detail can be added by a scaler. There were years of argument that BluRay was overkill because it just wasn't needed. Almost all of that discussion was preceded by qualifiers like "However your science means absolutely nothing". Now here we are in the opposite situation. 4K really is overkill, and that's all I am saying, and I am hearing the same thing "However your science means absolutely nothing".
Funny.
Toshiba set it's 55" 4K unit at ~$12k. I'd imagine this would cost as much as a Focus ST without being half as much fun or sound!
at 55" I don't think 4k really matters.
Is this a hint that PS4 really will have that insane resolution capability? Me thinks so. The current 90" LEDs with no 3D are like 10 grand though. This is just insane! My dad is very excited about the 70" he just ordered but even that is going to be a monster in HIS rather large living room.
Makes ya wish you were rich doesn't it?
I'd say this is practically a confirmation.
An 84" TV… are they mental? Who the hell would buy that?
Even if I had the money, I wouldn't buy this. It's just too damn big for a TV. Moving it, mounting it, it would just be a nightmare. Besides, for a fraction of the price you could get a nice HD Home Theater projector and high gain screen that could pump out a beautiful 120" 1080p picture. AND you can roll up the screen when you're done.
This is silly. Stop wasting time and resources on unnecessarily gigantic TV's and bring some practical products to the table…
The USA has plenty of people that can afford it and will want it. Honestly if it comes with a great warranty I'd even think about it.
The rich and big houses/mansions come to mind.
Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 8/30/2012 4:48:20 PM
Well when you can afford enough for this TV… I don't think you will skip the install and calibration fees lol. So kinda removes the *it's a hassle* argument.
If I had the money I would get one even for my tiny apartment LOL man my dream is to have a TV that fills a whole wall 😀 😀 But I don't want a projector since it's a pain if I want to play during the day (plus I prefer the image a tv gives)
Everything about it is fantastic and I would be willing to upgrade despite costs. Especially seeing the PS4 is most likely going to go along with this. Not forgetting the name brand cost they'll tak on it.
But there is one problem, why the hell 84inches? First too small and now too big, wth sony?!
The answer to that is actually simple, you won't see any improvement with the 4K resolution on anything smaller.
So what you are saying then world is that 4k is useless to most of us?
In a word, yes.
Apple would disagree 😛 tell that to their new *retina* marketing lol
Sweet. The pieces are starting to fall into place now.
It seems the PS4 will be just as prepared for the next decade as the PS3 were prepared for its decade.
Very good.
As for a TV this size and rez: Will I get one? Of course I will, once it becomes the new standard and the price that follows with that.
I've always wanted a projector for my movies and gaming. Now I can save those cash.
This would fit quite comfortably and easily into our lounge room (it's a really big room. Italian designers and all that…)
That being said, that is ridiculously big. I mean… mindbogglingly big. Cool as though. Size out of the way. 4K resolution? How long is it going to take for that to become the standard? It feels as though it's only been a couple of years since HDTVs really became prevalent, while Blu-Ray is still far from ubiquitous here in Australia. If this is an indication of Sony's goals for the PS4…
It will absolutely set the bar, but it still needs to have tech specs far beyond what we are currently expecting. It'll need to be a monstrous piece of kit and to be honest, I'm ok with that. Bring it Sony! I'll get it when I can 🙂
I have the room, doubt I have the money, but that will either have to come with a mount or it can't be mounted, unless it happens to be lighter than current tv's.
No matter to me though, love to have one, but money always gets involved and so maybe 5-10 years from now.
if i remember right CES estimations for 4K TVs were around the 25K mark, so yea its going to be bloody brand new car expensive!
obviously they will come down as the tech gets better and cheaper to make, but dont expect these to be where current TV prices are now for a long, long, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time!
natural progression, if anything 4K is LONG overdue!
If I had a confirmation that 3D gamine was going to continue very plentifully into the next gen I might make a go at the smaller version of this deal.