David Jaffe To Unveil His New Game At The PlayStation Experience?

Ben-Dutka November 26, 2014 PS4 7 Comments

You know, we kinda miss David Jaffe.

The man who helped bring you Twisted Metal and God of War hasn't been in the spotlight much lately. Now, though, he's got a new game in the works at a new studio, and we might see it soon…

A new teaser video (see it below) gives us a link to The Bartlet Jones Supernatural Detective Agency, which is indeed Jaffe's new home. If you visit the website, you'll see a strange trailer entitled "Haunted," in which Jaffe himself appears…and it ain't normal. Now, you might assume this means he's working on a new horror adventure, but that isn't the case. He clarified on Twitter :

All we know is that the Bartlet Jones Studio is working on an action game based on a new IP (via LinkedIn ) but we've got no other details just yet. Maybe we'll see the big unveiling during the PlayStation Experience in early December and maybe we'll be looking at the next big exclusive for PlayStation 4!

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WorldEndsWithMe </div> <div class="wpd-comment-date" title="November 26, 2014 12:00 am"> <i class='far fa-clock' aria-hidden='true'></i> 9 years ago </div> <div class="wpd-comment-share wpd-hidden wpd-tooltip wpd-top"> <i class='fas fa-share-alt' aria-hidden='true'></i> <div class="wpd-tooltip-content"> <a class='wc_tw' rel='noreferrer' target='_blank' href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Murdered: Soul Suspect &url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsxextreme.com%2Fnews%2Fps4%2Fps4-news-2357%2F%23comment-458327' title='Share On X'><i class='fab fa-twitter wpf-cta' aria-hidden='true'></i></a> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> <div class="wpd-comment-link wpd-hidden"> <span wpd-tooltip='Comment Link' wpd-tooltip-position='left'><i class='fas fa-link' aria-hidden='true' data-wpd-clipboard='https://psxextreme.com/news/ps4/ps4-news-2357/#comment-458327'></i></span> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-text"> <p>Murdered: Soul Suspect</p> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-footer"> <div 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aria-hidden='true'></i> 9 years ago </div> <div class="wpd-comment-share wpd-hidden wpd-tooltip wpd-top"> <i class='fas fa-share-alt' aria-hidden='true'></i> <div class="wpd-tooltip-content"> <a class='wc_tw' rel='noreferrer' target='_blank' href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Still waiting for those old school cheat codes for Twisted Metal PS3. I ap... &url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsxextreme.com%2Fnews%2Fps4%2Fps4-news-2357%2F%23comment-458328' title='Share On X'><i class='fab fa-twitter wpf-cta' aria-hidden='true'></i></a> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> <div class="wpd-comment-link wpd-hidden"> <span wpd-tooltip='Comment Link' wpd-tooltip-position='left'><i class='fas fa-link' aria-hidden='true' data-wpd-clipboard='https://psxextreme.com/news/ps4/ps4-news-2357/#comment-458328'></i></span> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-text"> <p>Still waiting for those old school cheat codes for Twisted Metal PS3. I appreciate the game for it's challenge and well done mechanics but since when does a real TM not have cheat codes?! I want god mode, infinite weapons, and maybe a Jet Moto 2 level! *sigh* Someday. </p> <p>I knew this guy was up to something. Almost forgot. As much time as he's been taking it's still faster than what ever Valve is working on.</p> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-footer"> <div class="wpd-vote"> <div class="wpd-vote-up wpd_not_clicked"> <svg aria-hidden='true' focusable='false' data-prefix='fas' data-icon='plus' class='svg-inline--fa fa-plus fa-w-14' role='img' xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 448 512'><path d='M416 208H272V64c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32h-32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v144H32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v32c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h144v144c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h32c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32V304h144c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32v-32c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32z'></path></svg> </div> <div class='wpd-vote-result' title='0'>0</div> <div class="wpd-vote-down wpd_not_clicked"> <svg aria-hidden='true' focusable='false' data-prefix='fas' data-icon='minus' class='svg-inline--fa fa-minus fa-w-14' role='img' xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 448 512'><path d='M416 208H32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v32c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h384c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32v-32c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32z'></path></svg> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-reply-button"> <svg xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 24 24'><path d='M10 9V5l-7 7 7 7v-4.1c5 0 8.5 1.6 11 5.1-1-5-4-10-11-11z'/><path d='M0 0h24v24H0z' fill='none'/></svg> <span>Reply</span> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> </div> </div> </div><div id='wpdiscuz_form_anchor-458328_0'></div></div><div id='wpd-comm-458329_0' class='comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 wpd-comment wpd_comment_level-1'><div class="wpd-comment-wrap wpd-blog-guest"> <div class="wpd-comment-left "> <div class="wpd-avatar "> <img alt='WorldEndsWithMe' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/?s=64&d=retro&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/?s=128&d=retro&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-64 photo avatar-default' height='64' width='64' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> </div> </div> <div id="comment-458329" class="wpd-comment-right"> <div class="wpd-comment-header"> <div class="wpd-comment-author "> WorldEndsWithMe </div> <div class="wpd-comment-date" title="November 26, 2014 12:00 am"> <i class='far fa-clock' aria-hidden='true'></i> 9 years ago </div> <div class="wpd-comment-share wpd-hidden wpd-tooltip wpd-top"> <i class='fas fa-share-alt' aria-hidden='true'></i> <div class="wpd-tooltip-content"> <a class='wc_tw' rel='noreferrer' target='_blank' href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Why does he always wear a red shirt? I hope it's a solid detective g... &url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsxextreme.com%2Fnews%2Fps4%2Fps4-news-2357%2F%23comment-458329' title='Share On X'><i class='fab fa-twitter wpf-cta' aria-hidden='true'></i></a> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> <div class="wpd-comment-link wpd-hidden"> <span wpd-tooltip='Comment Link' wpd-tooltip-position='left'><i class='fas fa-link' aria-hidden='true' data-wpd-clipboard='https://psxextreme.com/news/ps4/ps4-news-2357/#comment-458329'></i></span> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-text"> <p>Why does he always wear a red shirt? </p> <p>I hope it's a solid detective game, I love such things. Does look like a horror vibe he's giving off though.</p> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-footer"> <div class="wpd-vote"> <div class="wpd-vote-up wpd_not_clicked"> <svg aria-hidden='true' focusable='false' data-prefix='fas' data-icon='plus' class='svg-inline--fa fa-plus fa-w-14' role='img' xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 448 512'><path d='M416 208H272V64c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32h-32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v144H32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v32c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h144v144c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h32c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32V304h144c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32v-32c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32z'></path></svg> </div> <div class='wpd-vote-result' title='0'>0</div> <div class="wpd-vote-down wpd_not_clicked"> <svg aria-hidden='true' focusable='false' data-prefix='fas' data-icon='minus' class='svg-inline--fa fa-minus fa-w-14' role='img' xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 448 512'><path d='M416 208H32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v32c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h384c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32v-32c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32z'></path></svg> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-reply-button"> <svg xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 24 24'><path d='M10 9V5l-7 7 7 7v-4.1c5 0 8.5 1.6 11 5.1-1-5-4-10-11-11z'/><path d='M0 0h24v24H0z' fill='none'/></svg> <span>Reply</span> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> </div> </div> </div><div id='wpdiscuz_form_anchor-458329_0'></div></div><div id='wpd-comm-458330_0' class='comment even thread-even depth-1 wpd-comment wpd_comment_level-1'><div class="wpd-comment-wrap wpd-blog-guest"> <div class="wpd-comment-left "> <div class="wpd-avatar "> <img alt='Lawless SXE' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/?s=64&d=retro&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/?s=128&d=retro&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-64 photo avatar-default' height='64' width='64' loading='lazy' decoding='async'/> </div> </div> <div id="comment-458330" class="wpd-comment-right"> <div class="wpd-comment-header"> <div class="wpd-comment-author "> Lawless SXE </div> <div class="wpd-comment-date" title="November 26, 2014 12:00 am"> <i class='far fa-clock' aria-hidden='true'></i> 9 years ago </div> <div class="wpd-comment-share wpd-hidden wpd-tooltip wpd-top"> <i class='fas fa-share-alt' aria-hidden='true'></i> <div class="wpd-tooltip-content"> <a class='wc_tw' rel='noreferrer' target='_blank' href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=So it's an action game with horror overtones. I have no problem with ... &url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsxextreme.com%2Fnews%2Fps4%2Fps4-news-2357%2F%23comment-458330' title='Share On X'><i class='fab fa-twitter wpf-cta' aria-hidden='true'></i></a> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> <div class="wpd-comment-link wpd-hidden"> <span wpd-tooltip='Comment Link' wpd-tooltip-position='left'><i class='fas fa-link' aria-hidden='true' data-wpd-clipboard='https://psxextreme.com/news/ps4/ps4-news-2357/#comment-458330'></i></span> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-text"> <p>So it's an action game with horror overtones. I have no problem with that. Can't wait to see what's on offer at the PlayStation Experience. 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class="wpd-comment-author "> ___________ </div> <div class="wpd-comment-date" title="November 27, 2014 12:00 am"> <i class='far fa-clock' aria-hidden='true'></i> 9 years ago </div> <div class="wpd-comment-share wpd-hidden wpd-tooltip wpd-top"> <i class='fas fa-share-alt' aria-hidden='true'></i> <div class="wpd-tooltip-content"> <a class='wc_tw' rel='noreferrer' target='_blank' href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=didn't david leave to go work on crappy iPhone games? oh well good to... &url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsxextreme.com%2Fnews%2Fps4%2Fps4-news-2357%2F%23comment-458331' title='Share On X'><i class='fab fa-twitter wpf-cta' aria-hidden='true'></i></a> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-space"></div> <div class="wpd-comment-link wpd-hidden"> <span wpd-tooltip='Comment Link' wpd-tooltip-position='left'><i class='fas fa-link' aria-hidden='true' data-wpd-clipboard='https://psxextreme.com/news/ps4/ps4-news-2357/#comment-458331'></i></span> </div> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-text"> <p>didn't david leave to go work on crappy iPhone games?<br /> oh well good to have him back!<br /> still makes me wish he would return home with cory though and create a new awesome bad a$$ uber gory new IP!</p> </div> <div class="wpd-comment-footer"> <div class="wpd-vote"> <div class="wpd-vote-up wpd_not_clicked"> <svg aria-hidden='true' focusable='false' data-prefix='fas' data-icon='plus' class='svg-inline--fa fa-plus fa-w-14' role='img' xmlns='https://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 448 512'><path d='M416 208H272V64c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32h-32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v144H32c-17.67 0-32 14.33-32 32v32c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h144v144c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h32c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32V304h144c17.67 0 32-14.33 32-32v-32c0-17.67-14.33-32-32-32z'></path></svg> </div> <div class='wpd-vote-result' title='0'>0</div> <div class="wpd-vote-down wpd_not_clicked"> <svg aria-hidden='true' focusable='false' data-prefix='fas' data-icon='minus' class='svg-inline--fa fa-minus fa-w-14' role='img' 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