Ben-DutkaWell, E3 is over and…I…'yawn' …okay, have to stay awake long enough to write this.
Do I have sudden reservations about Gran Turismo 5?
Yes. Yes, I do. I'm not doubting the game's quality; I'm absolutely convinced it will be as close to perfection as Yamauchi and Co. can get (their pursuit of a flawless production is why they're not releasing it now ). But at the same time, I realized I was looking at NASCAR in that trailer they showed off during Sony's E3 press conference. I knew there would be Rally, but then again, there always has been so it wasn't exactly a shock. And of course, the video was gorgeous…but here's the thing: I hate NASCAR. Hate it. I wish it would go away forever (even though I know it won't). I'm hoping all that NASCAR stuff will be optional in the game because I absolutely refuse to play it. I'm not interested in racing the same car everyone else has, continually turning left and hoping I don't nudge a car, crash, and spend the remainder of a 500-lap race in 37th place. I'm just not sure Yamauchi thought this one through; what GT fan walked up to him one day and said, "hey, you know what'd be awesome to have in GT5? NASCAR!" Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee that nobody said any such thing.
NASCAR fans will buy NASCAR games. I seriously doubt they'll buy GT5, which still has its focus in road racing. I also doubt that GT fans have any interest in NASCAR whatsoever, and because a lot of that trailer involved the one racing sport I hate more than anything else – with the lone exception of NHRA – I have to admit to being a little perturbed. They're not really going to make me do this, are they? Please God, don't let it be so…
Castlevania = direct God of War rip-off?
So that "mask" turned out to be the logo for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow , and as great as that trailer was, it just doesn't feel like Castlevania . Yeah, I knew it couldn't possibly be 2D in this day and age but even so, this franchise always had a very distinct atmosphere and flair to it. It was darker and more mystical, as most any good vampire production should be…and that leads me to my next issue: there are going to be vampires in this game, right? Isn't that the point of the original CV? Richter Belmont? You know, the vampire hunter? Then there was Dracula's son, Alucard, in Symphony of the Night ? In that trailer, it appears the new character is Gabriel and he fights all sorts of amazing-looking beasts, but I really felt like I was looking at another GoW iteration. Since the success of that franchise, third-person action games have been taking cues from SCEA's efforts for years, but this may be a little blatant. I mean, does anyone notice how close that whip is to Kratos' default blades? And look at how the game moves…
I'm not necessarily complaining because I love GoW. And if Konami makes it good, I'll definitely want to play it. But it almost seems like the death of a classic franchise when I watch that trailer. Honestly, I think they should've brought Richter back in next-gen form and continued a story from the old NES Castlevania s, or something. And obviously, there's zero chance of ever seeing Alucard return in a SotN sequel, but that's what I'd dream about.
Personal gaming update
So while I had plenty of fun with Red Faction: Guerrilla , I still find inFamous to be more fun and indeed, even addictive. I'm one mission from advancing into the second portion of the city, and I've taken the time to liberate 100% of the Neon District. I did all the side missions I could find and I'm going the complete Hero route, just 'cuz I think I'll get cooler powers and stuff. I could be wrong; I don't know, but I've already got those grenades, this concentrated blast that really does damage, the lightning that chains to other enemies if you get a headshot, and this new ability that slows down time and basically lets you snipe with your power. It drains a ton of energy really fast, but it's still major cool. Just running around the city seems to be endless fun. 🙂
After this, I figure I'll return to FFVIII, maybe until my birthday rolls around in early August and I can get Resident Evil 5 , which I unfortunately missed out on. Beyond that, I'm just waiting on the super huge titles of the fall, although I'll be interested to see how Batman: Arkham Asylum turns out… As for anything else, I can't really think of anything. Besides the fact that women really are insane and I'm just about ready to say g'bye to all crazy people. No need to over-complicate my life. Really.
and worldwide both those sports are 2nd to soccer, or should i say, the REAL football.
it is the #1 spectator sport in the world
FACT
ooo, pwnage
Ohh yeah! Home by 11!
just like you said..in the US..no where's else…
Yup, no one outside the US cares for NASCAR.
I love Nascar. I was going to buy gran turismo anyway but now I might get it on the day it comes out! EA stopped making "real" nascar games and is basically giving the license up. So no nascar this year. nascar in Gran turismo is sweet!
Just because a large amount of people like something doesn't mean it's good. Case in point? Bands like Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance. Emo-poo.
EDIT: This was a reply to ctd669, and I clicked on it but somehow it got put under NYfanatic. Hooray.
Last edited by fluffer nutter on 6/7/2009 4:27:52 PM
lol @ fluffer nutter
emo-poo, lol
I don't pay attention to Nascar. But I don't really think its bad that they added them. It just means that the number of cars and tracks just increases and it will attract more people to GT5. We get more content, and they get more sales. I see it as win/win!
There you go. Worst case scenario its just more cars, more tracks. Like all races in GT, you won't HAVE to do them unless you want a few % pts and the car for 100% completion.
But it also makes you wonder what other cars and tracks they could've added but are unable to now due to not having the space after all the hi-res NASCAR cars and tracks being added. I feel that it should've been a download content update for those that want it and not included in the final game for those that don't.
How about the Stock cars are included by default on the disc and any 1p mode championship is offered by way of a DLC. That way people who don't want to do NASCAR races don't have but still get access to the cars, everybody wins.
This Nascar thing is getting boring has hell.
Lol, its ironic you say that when you post a message 3 times.
I fail to see the irony you talk about…I just see we need a delete button xD.
uppss lag
Last edited by Oxvial on 6/7/2009 3:55:12 PM
sry..
Last edited by Oxvial on 6/7/2009 3:55:33 PM
Cant believe i read all of these comments… -_-
I couldn't really see what the big deal was with the inclusion of NASCAR, but a lot of people sure did. I have no real problem with it being in the game, though i personaly cant stand NASCAR.
In all truthfulness, I'll probably try it once and that will be the end of it, but there will obviously be many who will stick with it.
All this talk about GT makes me want to play it… Im going to play GT3 now ;D
I hope I like NASCAR being in the game, I'm open to any type of racing in GT5 as long as it is fun. Just do not follow EA's lead on NASCAR.
Like Scarecrow said I want Pikes Peak back, I could do that for hours.
First off. I disagree with your comment on GT5 and NASCAR, Ben. You don't like it. Fine. But please don't assume that all Gran Turismo fans wont. The simple fact that you "wish it would go away for ever" tells me that you have already made up your mind when it comes to NASCAR in GT5 without even hearing any info on it, or let alone playing it. I honestly held you at a higher standard. I for one am looking forward to it.
Secondly, this thread is comprised of ignorance to degree that I hoped I would never see on this site. Anyone stating that NASCAR racing does not require skill, is rather foolish in doing so. I would also bet that no one here is a semi-professional/professional race car driver. Therefore, NONE of you possess the knowledge to state such an absurd assumption. You think it's boring, fine. Now while I somewhat agree with that, you really should not throw out rediculous and/or uneducated statements such as NASCAR requiring little skill. I suggest you do some proper research on the subject, for you might find one or two road course drivers finding out quite the opposite.
Thirdly, and one could consider this as a PSA. Let me hopefully bring some relief to the mental anguish some of you are experiencing over GT5/NASCAR. There are plenty of road races on the series, so one can realistically expect plenty of road racing in NASCAR related career play. Take a look at some of the tracks in NSACAR, and educate yourselves in the matter. I hope this helps.
Fourthly, has anyone here even considered the business decision regarding NASCAR? The US is not into road racing like the rest of the world, but there are plenty of NASCAR fans out there. Why not make your product readily available for more consomers, in this economy, catering to the "hardcore" element is a mistake, being how most will purchase GT5 already. Plus, do any of you have concrete evidence on GT5 and it's plans in the future? Or is this entire article/thread comprised of nothing but complaining for complaining sake?
Lastly, all of us Playstation diehards should be ever so thankfull to PD for acknowledging the US market for what it is (a place where the PS3 is LAST place), and making a decision to address a different and vast client base. Why is this important? PD wants GT5 to set the sales charts on fire in the US, and so should we. The addition of NASCAR and WRC provide the best chance in doing so.
Last edited by maxpontiac on 6/7/2009 7:20:31 PM
Awesome post dude. Even if people disagree with you they should give you a thumbs up just for a well written post.
Anyway, post was spot on, dead on.
offtopic..someone already played Prototype? my 360 friend already downloaded.. the concept and the melee are okay but tbh InFamous>Prototype.
Last edited by Oxvial on 6/7/2009 7:27:36 PM
Yeah…Hey fluffernut…Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's bad either…I'd rather have a choice than none at all.
maxpontiac…I definately couldn't have said (typed) it ANY better! kudos!
Thank you sir. Back at you!
I am by no means a big NASCAR fan. However, I enjoy the idea of something new coming to my favorite game series, and the lengths the excellent folks at PD are taking to bring us PS3 users a racing experience like none other!!
I agree with you that yes, these are opinions. I didn't once say my information was factual, except about them emo-poo bands. 😉
I've never liked GT, and I'm not the biggest fan of Nascar either (I can watch it every now and then) but I still thought it was epic when they showed it off in the trailer. It just gives the fans more options of what they want to do in the game, making it the best driving simulator game out there.
But Nascar games are always boring. It'd be extremely fun to drive the car itself, and it can get interesting watching it sometimes, but in a video game it just lacks entertainment. Of course it's always fun to turn around and just make a massive wreck :).
I personaly don't care for any realistic driving game, and I'll always take Burnout over any others.
Options.
That my friend, is what it is all about.
I'm a HUGE NASCAR fan…That being said, I don't have a problem debating weather NASCAR should or shouldn't be in GT5. It's the people who don't like the sport trying to justify themselves by spewing out the typical rederic that we all (NASCAR fans) hear when trying to defend our sport to ignorant people who won't even give it a chance. It's lame.
Try and be a little more open minded people!!
This is a GOOD thing…GT5 WILL be the ultimate racing sim.
LOL, well, there's not much debating whether it should be there, if PD put it there, it's there… 😉
Funny how a possible supplemental and very peripheral feature in a game that's yet to see release generates so very much discussion. I'm gonna go *way* out on a limb and guess that there are a lot of people here who feel passionately about Gran Turismo…
I love Gran Turismo. It was the reason I bought a Playstation.
Over the years I have grown very fond of it, and eagerly/patiently await every new title in the series.
That's the bottom line.
As you can see, im blinded by my passion to a degree 😉
I knew this would happen. NASCAR fans are the WORST. If you don't like it, they spend the rest of their lives telling you why you're "wrong" and why you're "ignorant." You may NOTICE that what I wrote is nothing but opinion; I just said I don't like it, and I don't want it in GT. That's all. NOTHING else.
I hate NASCAR. Sorry. I know it takes an incredible amount of skill and I have respect for all athletes. I know it's popular. I do NOT like the rabid fans who have to tell everyone we have to worship at the altar of the sport and add ten lines of disclaimer if we say we don't like it. I KNOW I won't like playing NASCAR in GT; don't try to tell me I "have" to like it or "have" to give it a chance. I KNOW what it is.
So just calm down. Don't give me this "ignorant" or "held you at a higher standard" crap. We're ALLOWED to have opinions. You're all allowed to say you hate RPGs and hate FFT and hate any car I've ever driven and hate what I wear. I REALLY don't care. I'm not about to make personal judgments based on a comment like that. I have no problem with NASCAR fans and I wouldn't say NASCAR takes no skill. I'm not an idiot. But I DO have a problem with rabid, over-reactive fans who immediately launch into a defensive rant when someone expresses a simple opinion.
I'm looking at you, Xanavi. DON'T derail any Comment thread again for no reason whatsoever. No more of this, people.
You're looking at me man? Good cause i was looking at you.
You say i derailed this thread? You judge the sport even in GT5 without even playing it. You judge with no experience at least in the world of GT, im not slamming you but thats one definition of ignorance. Then i reply respectful as the word "Ignorant" isn't a slur and then you accuse me of derailing a thread…sure Ben…sure.
Secondly, NASCAR isn't my favorite sport and i don't worship it at the alter. That place is reserved for Le Mans, specifically the European Le Mans series. However to break down the NASCAR sport into just turning left is uneducated, and unbecoming of an educated guy like you.
The turns in NASCAR might be all Lefters but it still makes for some great clean racing.
Also you say you have no interest in racing the same car as everyone else which again is flawed.
There are 4 cars in NASCAR, The Camry, The Avenger, The Impala and the Fusion.
However even if a race is comprised of just Chevy's as a "GT fan" and as an educated race fan it should be basic knowledge to you that a change in set-up will make your car much different from your fellow racers.
Sure you can say they have the same body despite wildly different paintjobs but that would be a highly super ficial way of looking at it, and also wrong.
Don't want to nudge a car and get spun round and be in 37th ? Thats simple Ben…don't touch anyone. If you play Prologue then you can find plenty of practice racing around Daytona cleanly in close quarters, thus limiting the odds of you getting screwed like that.
Xanavi: WTF is WRONG with you? I only said I didn't LIKE it and I have no INTEREST in it. How can one saying they have no interest in something be "flawed"?!
KNOCK IT OFF. I never once said anything bad or insinuating about NASCAR besides the fact that I don't like it. Nothing. So STOP.
"I'm hoping all that NASCAR stuff will be optional in the game because I absolutely refuse to play it. I'm not interested in racing the same car everyone else has, continually turning left and hoping I don't nudge a car, crash, and spend the remainder of a 500-lap race in 37th place." – Ben Dutka – June 7th
You weren't the one who spoke on turning left all day, so i apologize for that. i didn't say you were ignorant for not liking it, i said your view of it was flawed. You say everybody has the same car, wrong…Even Chevys are built and engineered from different teams like RCR, D. Earnhardt Inc, and Tony Stewart, they're also tuned differently, power/torque peaks. They only look the same by way of body panels.
Just stop. You derailed the thread for no reason, as I never said anything against NASCAR beside my own personal preference.
Just accept it and move on.
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/8/2009 4:23:37 PM
well GT5 is the real driving simulator, i'm not that big of a fan of nascar personally i like my street races, but hey i dont think it should have been left out. GT is an allrounder, its just another part of it
thats all
Amen…GT offers an all in one race experience, this isn't new.
I never care for NASCAR. And I've always thought the EA NASCAR games were crap. But if Polyphony Digital is putting it in GT5…I'll play the NASCAR races. But only if it features Will Ferrell as Ricky Bobby. =D
SHAKE & BAKE!
Urgh either way Gran Turismo 5 is going to be amazing. I honestly couldn't care less for NASCAR,and find it excrutiatingly boring.
>>>>>>>>>>>"IN MY OPINION"<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Just thought I'd make that whole opinion thing clear.
But I think it's cool to have it as an addition.
Disclaimer: This comment is an opinion and therefore does not represent the views as fact and is intended solely as my perspective.
All Rights Reserved.
Be careful! Even disclaimers apparently have no impact on the NASCAR loyalists. 'rolling eyes'
Putting NASCAR into GT5 is a smart marketing move. It will get a lot of American sales, which is what Polyphony is going to need after the amount of time and money they've spent on this game. The old GT's were more European based.
From a marketing/sales perspective..It's a smart move. Although I'd like to know whether NASCAR paid PD to have it in there, or if PD paid Nascar…be interesting to see.
That being said, I've tried watching NASCAR. I can't do it. Can't stand it. The only exciting thing I find about it are the crashes and if I want to see them, I go watch TSN for the highlights. The only Nascar courses I find somewhat interesting are the road courses, where they also turn right (Watkins glen?) I love watching CART races, I love watching F1, I love the GT class cars, love Rally, I even like the Mazda speed series. I don't like Indy because they drive in circles too…Yes they are extraordinary athletes to be able to focus for that long but my god..it's so boring to watch! I have seen NASCAR races live (they've recently started coming to Canada) and that was a bit better experience because you get swept up in the mood of the crowd. but it's a crowd that for the most part seemed to use the race as an excuse to get ripped and hang their beer belly's out on national television, much like America's most watched sport, football. (American football to be precise) But I'm sorry, compared to the other racing genre's out there, I find Nascar to be the equivalent of an American watching a Soccer match…it's just not that interesting. But it's where the money is as other drivers are switching over to race it. (Montoya, Tracy…to name a few.)
Ben, I can see where you're coming from and agree with you from a gaming point of view. When I get the game, Nascar will be the least played section of it for me. But with the economy the way it is now, in order to get Americans to buy this game, PD had to throw NASCAR in there. Who knows? it might be good for Sony fans, as more people may switch to Sony for this game because of a decent Nascar simulation.
For ctd699 and Xanavi23, I can see why you took offense to this. You both obviously love NASCAR, and you feel as though your sport has been attacked. It's the equivalent of telling a Canadian that Hockey and Beer aren't that important.(Ya don't know what you're talking aboot der, eh?!!)
Like I said I think from a sales point of view it makes sense, but the reason I bought my first GT game way back on the PS1? Because it wasn't NASCAR..it was GT class racing, with cars you could buy from a dealer and modify it to a road race car. NASCAR doesn't really afford that option. If they do that, they may as well throw in F1 too (except the guys running F1 probably wanted to much money, stupid Max Mosley)
A questions I have though, is if you start throwing in all of these different genre's of racing, at what point does the GT name stop being a GT game? I mean why not throw in off road trucks too? Or maybe motorbikes, (Which by the way is one of the most exciting racing formats to watch. Ever watched a bike take the corkscrew at Laguna Seca?) Heck why don't we add Red Bull Air racing too? I think you see where I'm going with this. It would be nice to have all racing formats under one roof for everyone I guess, But doesn't that just make the game another Motorstorm or Burnout with more emphasis on simulation?
I applaud what PD has done to appeal to a wider audience, but I don't necessarily like it
from my gaming point of view.
Last edited by CH1N00K on 6/8/2009 10:12:19 AM
Great Post Chin00k
You might be right, but i don't mind somebody who hates it, not by any means. Humans have different tastes in every way imaginable.
But if you're(not you) going to talk about why you hate it, you should at least be accurate in your break down of the sport. Turning left all day, maybe i'll give you that.
Saying that all 43 cars are the same car is just plain uninformed especially when each Team is limited to a maximum of four cars.
Example: Richard Childress Racing(RCR) runs the Chevy, they have 4 cars. All the other Chevy's you see belong to different teams and as such offer a different ride and even powerband because they're built as long as they fall within specifications.
At the end of the day, no one should really complain, its just more cars and even if there is a very length Foruma GT style NASCAR GT race, you don't have to do it unless you want that last completion percentage for the 100% completion prize car that will no doubt be offered. If you want that car THEN you have to do the NASCAR races some may hate.
GT won't be the first game that forces you to do things you hate to get that lucrative 100%.
Don't worry about GT losing its way. The original reason Kaz made GT was so that he had a racing game he liked and wanted to play, as you probably knew. Its still the only game he really plays so while im sure he respects NASCAR, its obviously not his cup of tea so at least that particular sport won't be the focus of GT5 by any stretch of the imagination. Even if there are 200lap races, thats nothing new to GT and not something that will in any way reflect the total view of the game.
Last edited by Xanavi23 on 6/8/2009 2:59:22 PM
Alright, im done, my word.
3D Castlevania hasn't worked, but it doesn't mean it won't work this time around. The best CV game in my opinion wasn't that original, after all. Symphony of the Night had very little elements as far as storytelling really go, and borrowed a LOT of gameplay elements from Super Metroid; but Iga made it work, and I don't recall a single person saying that it wasn't "Castlevania" like when it came out.
I disagree whole-heartedly. It felt just like a CV game to me, and one done in a 3D world that worked. The ominous settings, the unreal giant bosses, the creepy monsters. It was very Castlevania like.
It doesn't matter what you like in a game. It doesn't matter what anybody likes, or dislikes in a game. The developers make the game they want to make, and put whatever they want in a game, and we either play them or we don't. That is the way it is with all games. That is the way it has always been. They make them and we play them. Or not!
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