Ben-DutkaWhile the PlayStation Vita was officially unveiled at E3, we still need a full rundown of the specs and most of all, a launch date.
According to Examiner.com , Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studio President Shuhei Yoshida and Senior Vice President Yoshio Matsumoto will be on hand at the upcoming Tokyo Game Show on September 15. And basically, the title of their speech translates to- "All About PlayStation Vita."
…yeah, that's pretty self-explanatory. So we should expect all the detailed specs, a finalized launch lineup, and that elusive release date. Recent evidence has suggested that the Vita will launch during this year's holiday season, even though we've heard about a "phased roll-out." But hopefully, all that will be cleared up next month, along with the oft-discussed memory snafu. How much RAM does the Vita really have…? We should learn all soon.
Hopefully we get the systems specs, a list of games that will be available on day 1, and the pricing of the 3G plan.
More game announcements would be great as well.
Oh! A release date would be nice as well! =^_^=
Last edited by Oyashiro on 8/2/2011 4:31:12 PM
Indeed it would. There's a rumor that the UK gets it on Oct 28th, but that's little more than a rumor based on a supposed leak from a retailer.
Can't wait for the Vita. There are a few launch titles I'm interested in, and I could use it as my portable multimedia device since I don't have such a device.
Can't wait. However, this is a day one buy, so I'm really only waiting for the information out of interest.
Yeah me too. Its more of a formality at this point!
Same here.
So Sony won't have much of a presence then I gather. I just hope some great games show up at TGS this year because a few must-shows like Last Guardian and FF Versus were missing at E3.
I agree, The Last Guardian has been in hiding for far to long. Its kind of frustrating in a way. I really want to see it.
Rumors are saying that Vita is coming October 28th in the U.K. Only time will tell…
Since I'm a teenager who has other things to buy (like a car!) I won't be getting a Vita for quite a while, but I love machines so hearing what the Vita can do should be pretty interesting.
I just hope there's no Sly Cooper for the Vita…then I would have to get one.
Highlander, I read yesterday somewhere that Sony are going to change their approach to the indie developer. Seems if they see a promise game I.P. they will be willing to give Vita dev kits away for free.
I think they realise that a whole category of indie come Homebrew developers is better to have than not have. I think there strategy is one of having a strong app like store for Vita and they are willing to help the "smallest" of developers along.
One can't help that a change of heart could be because of the huge backlash that has occurred after the PS3 was hacked wide open. From what I am seeing on the net the PS3 has a thriving Homebrew development society now, with an FPS along the way which looks very good. I was impressed to say the least. Also the game management software and multimedia player software (that support all video formats) are incredible… all done off the bat by enthusiasts.
I tihnk Sony want a vibrant "above the line" indie scene with developers developing apps and not just games. Maybe a change of heart.
Additionally I think the pressure from the smartphone world is also changing the landscape… Sony know they have to pull something special out of the bag to keep ahead of the game as it were.
Interesting times no doubt…
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
Last edited by Qubex on 8/2/2011 12:04:42 AM
Qubex,
whatever Sony do Sony do, but I don't think it has thing one to do with the hacking community on the PS3. Frankly, every last one of them can go jump in a very deep lake for all I care. I've previously said that Home brew enthusiasts that do not break the law are one thing, but after the crap that the 'community' put PS3 owners and PSN users through, I say "screw 'em". They could make the best FPS game ever and I wouldn't give it a first look, never mind a second one.
Who? Me? Bitter?
Yes.
I hope you are right! More openness would definitely be great both for the Vita and the PS3 imo. I would *love* to be able to write and run my own applications on them, for example. Plus, a more available platform would do wonders for the recruitment of new, good PS3 coders who know what they are doing.
Qubex, Highlander
I just found this article, and it's an interesting read at least…..
Who Owns Your PS3? KaKaRoTo Talks Modifing The PS3′s Firmware, Piracy and DRM
http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/07/31/who-owns-your-ps3-kakaroto-talks-modifing-the-ps3s-firmware-piracy-and-drm/
kinda ironic when you look at the xperia play.
one busts the door down and throws lawsuits around like there toilet paper!
the other welcomes you in, and buys you dinner!
yea there different subsidiaries but thats beyond the point.
It's also worth mentioning that with Sony Ericssons current Android Phones they are handing out the code to unlock the boot loader to anyone who wishes to unlock it. They even set up a dedicated webpage for it. Punch in your phone ID and voila you get the code in return, there and then, and can do whatever you wish do do with your phone, for instance installing a totally different Android distribution, should you like.
That in turn means that you can keep your Sony phone updated with latest versions of Android even after Sony stops supporting it with their distributed upgrades.
I *really* like this move by Sony.
Last edited by Beamboom on 8/2/2011 3:51:54 AM
Vita dev kits freely available to indies
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-08-01-vita-dev-kits-freely-available-to-indies
Sony is making Vita dev kits freely available to indie studios, VG247 reports.
Posting on the NeoGaf forum under the name "Rubicon", a representative from Great Little War Game developer Icon Games championed Sony's "good attitude towards Indies."
"We showed them our game, they liked it loads and thought it a good fit for their machine, so they sent us four kits. Gratis. Just like that," the post read.
In a later post, Rubicon praised the Vita as "everything you'd like it to be" and predicted that Sony's app store would, "start filling up in the same way the iOS one has. Nintendo can learn a lot from [Sony's] attitude."
Rumours have also surfaced that the Vita's central processing unit is being manufactured by Samsung.
According to a report on Andriasang, the website of Japanese trade paper The Semiconductor Industry News revealed that the CPU would be 45 nanometer. Similar chips are used in the latest iterations of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 due their reduced power consumption.
Last edited by BikerSaint on 8/2/2011 5:27:20 AM
there rumors, not reports.
the bootloader was exactly what i was talking about.
hack your ps3 to do what it was originally advertised to do, and you better have a shelload of cash!
hack your phone, hey send us a email and will give you a hand!
what the?
Biker, thank you, but no I shall not be reading Mr. Hackers manifesto. I know exactly who owns what inside the PS3 and don't need some anarchic pseudo-freedom fighter with delusions of grandure to tell me. If I ever run into one of these guys in person, they need to watch out because I might weigh the possibilities of punishment for punching them square in the face with the satisfaction of punching them square in the face.
I will not in any way, not one iota legitimize these pieces of sh… I'm not yelling at Qubex, you or anyone else here, I'm simply saying that a line was drawn in the sand, and I will not cross it.
The Xperia Play is an Android device, opening up the Android distribution is not the same as allowing home brew coders unrestricted access to the PS3. Sony Ericsson is not the service operator for the phones, they are the maker. They can allow you to mes with the Android distribution, but the Phone operator may not. If you change the Android distribution on your phone, you may lose access to the network that you use. And before anyone says a thing, the network providers are not obligated to let every device access their network, they have the right to determine what can and cannot access their network. They can't stop you messing with your phone, but they can sure as heck block your access if you do, and they don't like your hacked device.
However the point about changing android is nothing to do with PSSuite. Sony isn't giving away the keys to that kingdom, they're simply telling you you can run it on any device certified to run it that runs Android.
Mr Anonymous Cowherd, there are so many differences between the platform and the circumstances that it's not remotely close to being a valid comparison, and you know that. Protecting the PS3 and PSN platform against hacking is a far cry from allowing phone users to change their Android distribution.
Oh, regarding the article about the CPU manufacturing for the ViTA. The 45nm size for the CPU for the Vita is actually a surprise, I read that yesterday as well. I had hoped that they would be able to put these out in 32nm geometry which would be even more power efficient.
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@BikerSaint: I think both your links were interesting reads, Biker. It's always nice to get a different perspective on things and while there were parts of that interview where I really disagree on a very fundamental level, other parts of it made me think, "hmm… He do have a point there".
And what he says about Sonys level of security on PSN… Well, that's basically exactly what I've said all along so it's hard to disagree with that particular part. 🙂
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Thank you all for your responses… it made an interesting read. I would like to say though that I think if Sony "involved" the community more, there would be a lot of positive upside for them.
Creating a completely closed system and removing features along the way is asking for trouble. Every hardware manufacturer who has tried to create a walled garden has been cracked wide open. This will not go away, now or ever. It is just the way life is. People like challenges and will challenge a going establishment.
My attitude is one of trying to make it easier for people to play with and experiment with technology rather than shut them out. Shutting them out doesn't get you anywhere… talking about all hardware manufacturers, not Sony specifically.
I think though Sony's changing attitude toward Vita development may be a step in the right direction.
Anyway, I read in the Homebrew space that a dual booting OFW and CFW PS3 is on the way through more hardware hacks… My mouth dropped when I read this… how can it be done? Just shows how far people will go to prove a point…
Let's see what happens…
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
Highlander,
Oh believe me, even though I linked to his interview, I'm definitely not trying to pump that guy up. I just thought some of it would be good fodder for rebuttals.
And I'd be right there besides you on cracking one of those $&^*%^$# hackers heads open.
Qubex,
I also can sympathize with you on your rants about the removal of Linux, although tech-dummy me never used or even tried it.
Last edited by BikerSaint on 8/3/2011 2:10:57 AM
Oh how wonderful it would be if Sony started operating by your principles, Qubex. It's not like an open system neccesarily is less secure, and involving the community would give them so much "for free" both in therms of goodwill and technology plus I believe it would also have an impact on the amount of ps3/Vita developers.
Hardly a bad tradeoff!
Biker, I believe Q's "rant" (I'd call it "wise words" though ;)) is meant more as a general comment and not related directly to the "otheros" feature.
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BeamBoom,
The only way that will happen is if the console gaming business converts entirely to a services model. IBM makes money from Linux, not by developing secure Linux distro's or by providing Linux servers, though that is some of it, IBM makes money selling it's services and support. Linux is indeed free, as is a lot of the software for it, but the support costs $$$.
In the world of console gaming, that business model doesn't work very well, as you can't sell the kinds of structured support and maintenance or even software licenses for applications as IBM does in Business. Gaming is about selling games and cross subsidizing the hardware, as long as that is the case, platform security will be a paramount issue. for that matter platform security will remain of paramount concern in order to protect the network that forms the bedrock for services being offered. We saw with the PSN attack that the security of both the devices attaching to the network, and the network itself are two things that cannot be taken lightly. So, although in an idealistic way it would be nice, I don't think we'll see Sony making the kind of shift you're talking about.
Highlander,
I don't understand, I think one of us misunderstand the other now, hehe.
Anyways, what I wish for is that Sony could make their platforms "easier to play with and experiment with", to quote Qubex. That they opened the platform and offered development tools to everyone who'd like to learn to write code for the PS3, documentation and and a possibility for users to run their code on their regular PS3s. Like, for instance, on Windows, or Linux, or Android. That's what I'd like to see. A more embracing attitude from Sony towards the community, instead of threatening to sue anyone who dares do anything but playing games on their machines. I just think that they'd earn a lot of goodwill and helped on the recruitment of new coding talents for the PS3.
You would of course still have to play for the games and the machine etc…?
Sorry, I'm confused here. 🙂
I don't see how this has much to do with platform security either. I *do* see how that could pose a danger regarding piracy, but the system/PSN itself should be able to stay reasonably secure against attacks (I'm not even sure what you mean with security here, I think we need to define what we mean with that word!).
EDIT: Ahhhh NOW i think i understand what you mean, Highlander: You think I mean that I want Sony to put their OS as open *source*? Nonono, that's not what I talk about. Not "open source", just "open". 🙂 Think Windows. MacOS. They are open. Anyone can write code and compile them, and then execute the binaries on those systems. That's examples of open systems. 🙂
Last edited by Beamboom on 8/3/2011 3:58:56 PM
Beamboom… they could probably go down the model of eventually having to always be online for security checks when playing games. This may be better than completely closing off the platform.
I understand Sony's concerns but it would be great to see community based tech demonstrations and other Homebrew apps that could extend the functionality of the unit.
The kind of sales Sony would make would explode, easily surpassing the xBox. It would be a gamers dream as well as an enthusiasts dream.
What a pity… anyway we can only hope that attitudes will change. They are already with Vita… Sony have the Smartphone army to fight now, they have no choice but to change I think… Time will tell 🙂
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
I discovered I have some *really* stupid typos in that last post of mine – it was getting late when I wrote it 🙂
Amongst them, this quote: "have to play for the games" -> I meant of course *pay* for the games.
Qubex,
I too understand Sonys concerns, I just fundamentally disagree in how they tackle it. They follow a very old fashioned kind of logic.
When Sony decided to give all the chance to unlock the bootloader on the new Xperia models, it went *bam* all over the Android forums and blogs, trailed with comments such as these:
"WOW SE, you have come along way… set back and start counting your profits."
"Sony ericsson is fast re-becoming the best phone manufacturer."
"This is awesome! Other manufactures can learn something from S.E."
"This is super news and further indication that Sony Ericsson is doing a great job of listening to its community"
That kind of response warms a Sony lovers heart. And the Xperia Arc went straight into the top 3 most sold phones in Norway.
Just imagine what could happen if they changed tactics regarding the PS3!
I would *love* to see community based tech demos and homebrew apps. It could have an *amazing* promtional effect. It would make the PS3 even more unique, and with a much stronger community. I firmly believe it would make the PS3 stand out from the crowd, and even the non tech crowd would be excited simply because of what "the big guys" say.
Last edited by Beamboom on 8/4/2011 3:22:03 AM
This'll be a D1P for me, but only if the Vita's battery lasts longer than 6 hours, I wanna play through Uncharted Golden Abyss all in one go when I first buy this thing.
It's certainly looking more promising than the 3DS. I might pick up a 3DS eventually, when they announce a new model with 9-10 hours bettery life instead of 5. The Vita has more games for me, plays PS1 classics and PSP downloaded games, rear touch pad (no more fingers in the way) AND a front and rear camera!! Not really a big fan of motion controls though, like the gyroscope. Wouldn't miss it if the gyroscope went.
The early titles announced for this thing trump the 3DS' launch lineup. Plus, FPS' are playable on a handheld with good controls this time!! No more weird controls, holding one button to look, auto lockon and so forth, we finally get a 2 stick shooter on a portable!!
Of course, I'm not into FPS' THAT much. So long as Japan releases many of their great RPG's around the world for the Vita, I'll be one happy camper!!
Also, does anyone know if the OLED screen will look as good as the iPhone 4's Retina screen? You can't even spot a single pixel on that thing!! Makes other screens on portable devices look archaic!!
Yay! I hope we finally see what third parties have up their sleeves for the device, because it's all been promised, and nothing has really been revealed. That being said, I'd much rather see Vita detailed at Gamescom, simply because there is more potential to see games from western developers there. Bugger it, just gimme.
seems really strange and a bit worrying there leaving it this late to really detail everything.
eh, hopefully it will be at the EB conference in october so i can have a look at it.
I so want to go to that… Be frickin' awesome. Just have to work out if I can.
it worked out really well for me, i actually had a holiday booked from the 13th to the 20th because i was going to visit some friends.
just happened to coincide with the EB conference.
apparently tomorrow there announcing a "surprise" for it.
wonder what it is.
How is it worrying? They showed production quality devices at E3 that were playable by attendees and copies of actual games running on those units. I don't see how there is an issue with announcing this information at TGS at all. We know quite a bit about the device already, and about the most significant element we don't yet know is the RAM numbers.
I'm actually impressed that anyone thinks that there is a significant amount of information to obtain still, after all, many people (including you) have spent the last few years ragging on Sony for the numerous leaks they have had. Ironic that you're criticizing them for managing to keep some information to themselves.
Last edited by TheHighlander on 8/2/2011 10:05:03 AM
what does leaking info have anything to do with releasing info so late?
its suppose to be out by chrissy, so revealing the rest of the info on the device, along with the final design only 3 months or less before release just seems a little strange.
Just have Gran Turismo on it, and I'll buy one guaranteed.
PSP downloadable version of GT will run on the Vita….
I have mine (GT PSP downloadable version).
😉
Last edited by TheHighlander on 8/2/2011 10:06:02 AM