Sometimes, you can't have too much of a good thing.

The PlayStation 4 will boast 8GB of RAM, which developers just adore. That includes Square Enix boss Tetsuya Nomura, who spoke about the PS4's great capability and power during a recent SCE interview (as cited by DualShockers ).

When asked about the PS4, he laughed and said it's "too much," but he added that the console will have plenty of capability and it will be a challenge for developers. They'll have to step up and as such, expectations will be through the roof. The good news is that that 8GB of RAM "helps a lot" because the virtual worlds they create can be as seamless as possible. The number of actions and animations has also been significantly increased, which is good news for all you Kingdom Hearts fans.

Nomura hasn't figured out what to do with those extra Dual Shock 4 features just yet, but he does want to use the touch pad in some fashion. Personally, I say he can just ignore it on focus on making Kingdom Hearts III a gem. The followers deserve it!

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Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

cool.

but the devs actually have access to 5GBs. The remaining 3 are reserved for other purposes.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Like those wonderful social functions!

Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

yah, a lot of things. I believe it in part helps with the 'play as you download' feature. And with 50GB sized game downloads and such, that could be useful. Other uses could be for Gakai elements and the multi media functionality.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

Heh, 5 is excellent still. Wii U only has 2gb split evenly between the OS and gaming. With double what the PS3 was, I already can see an improvement.

Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

That is just a rumour…. it was never confirmed by anyone. Just a random anonymous source who came out and said it.

There was an equally plausible rumour earlier saying that only 1GB was reserved for the OS.

Microsoft did confirm that the Xbox One would reserve 3GB for the OS. But the ps4 is all conjecture.

Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

it's not a rumor. The Digital Foundry ran an article that cited a developer in that the PS4 only had access to just 4gbs. DF speculated on this. Then Sony themselves informed DF (so DF would correct their article) that there's 4GB hard cut for games and another 1GB used at the option of the developer in a non-trivial way. The total is 5GBs available to games.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 10/17/2013 10:25:37 AM

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
8 years ago

can you show me a link to that? o.o i can't find it

Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

and my mistake in claiming the controversy was over 4gbs, where instead it was over 4.5GBs with 512MB being in contention with the OS.
I know. I know. despite having an embedded 'neuro net processor' from Cyberdyne, a learning computer, accidents can still happen.

but hey, 5GB's is nothing to sneeze at so happy days for everyone


Last edited by Temjin001 on 10/17/2013 3:21:46 PM

Shauneepeak
Shauneepeak
8 years ago

I Highly doubt the small PS4 OS needs 3GB of Ram when the X1s Three OSs need the same amount. All the info we received from the early 4GB dev kits had only around half a GB reserved for the OS. I wouldn't be surprised if this 5GB limit is just temporary and Sony is simply playing it safe for now so they do not run into any hardware issues in the first few months which are the key for gaining an install base.


Last edited by Shauneepeak on 10/17/2013 8:17:21 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

No more "Well our vision was too much for the current generation" excuses then right?

Versus XIII very soon then right? (I can't call it FFXV)

Corvo
Corvo
8 years ago

Nomura is back!!!! I just can't believe it still.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Somebody left the hatch on his cage open at Slave Enix.

homura
homura
8 years ago

Good. I just hope in two years time, no developers will say "We need more."

So I guess FFXV is coming in 2014 and KH3 in early 2015. (I hope).

jjlive168
jjlive168
8 years ago

That is far beyond wishful thinking lol

You really think square will release two final fantasies in the same year? I bet my 5 pre-ordered ps4's they won't

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
8 years ago

I have to be honest, I am not even thinking about Final Fantasy XV at the moment. I t wont arrive until Q3 2015 at best.

homura
homura
8 years ago

@jjlive
I just forgot that there is a Lightning Returns next year. Hehe.

___________
___________
8 years ago

so a 550 dollar console with the power of a 5 year old PC is too much?
yup, $E truly have lost their minds!

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

Ok time to end this crap. I dare you;: Give me a link to one – ONE – five year old PC that matches the PS4 specs. One single reference is all I ask. Give us that, or forever stfu with these kind of statements.

Fair deal, right? Now's your chance to prove yourself. You got our attention. Go for it.

Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

I really wish you could do something about your severe lack of intelligence.

Masszt3r
Masszt3r
8 years ago

I've noticed that all you do in these forums is thrash whatever Sony comes out with. Is this really all you have to offer a PS oriented community?

___________
___________
8 years ago

sorry 3 years old not 5.
but hows 3 stories?
oh and akuma instead of constantly insulting me like a spoiled 8 year old brat, you either turn into a civilized human and have a civilized discussion, or keep your fat mouth shut troll!


Last edited by ___________ on 10/17/2013 10:13:05 AM

___________
___________
8 years ago

one, nvidia releases chart comparing graphics cards over the past few years and shows next gen systems are around what we had in 2010.
http://i.imgur.com/ro4mwGT.jpg
two, ps4 spec sheet revealed the GPU has 1.84TFLOP of power, http://kotaku.com/the-ps4-has-a-500gb-hard-drive-and-other-misc-details-512521805.
3 which is equivalent of a AMD HD 6870 which released in 2010, http://www.mydaily-gadget.com/news/2500-amd-radeon-hd-6850-and-6870-release-date.

and thats the GPU, lets not forget the jaguar 8 core chip that both systems use was described by AMD themselves to be a ENTRY LEVEL CHIP DESIGNED FOR WEB BROWSING NOT GAMES AND HIGH INTENSE 3D APPLICATIONS!
a THREE year old GPU, and a 1.75Ghz 8 core compared to PCs THREE Ghz 6 cores!
hell up that to 4Ghz, ive got one of the worst cases for air flow and ive got mine overclocked to 4.4 stock without barely touching the voltages!

apology accepted!

O, and i would like to point you back to the original graph, see how when the 360 released its GPU was MORE powerful than the 800 dollar plus PC GPUs?
now were not more powerful, were not same powered, were not even slightly less powerful, were THREE years less powerful!
so ill state it again, if THREE years behind is "too much", than $E truly have lost their minds!

Shauneepeak
Shauneepeak
8 years ago

Well you still didn't show us where we can buy sticks of GDDR5 Ram.

Underdog15
Underdog15
8 years ago

Ironic behaviour:

"oh and akuma instead of constantly insulting me like a spoiled 8 year old brat…" then continues his thought to….. yeah. Do just that.

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

I'm sorry underline but none of those links tell the full story.

Your references talk about GPU *only*. Nothing else is taken into consideration. And that is the problem with most of those who come with these kind of claims: They stare themselves blind on that single component and draw ALL conclutions based on that.

If you only talk about the GPU then sure – it's not the most capable GPUs money can buy. But GPU is *not* all that counts when power of a system is to be considered.

There are no – NO – system, not five years ago not three years ago – who could offer a 8gb gddr5 ram with the unified memory handling like we got here – simply cause such a system did or do not exist.
The world have not yet discovered what a game optimized for full 64bit eight core code and the internal bandwidth of a unified processor architecture AND memory architecture can do. We do not know yet. We have not seen it.

This is just the plain truth.


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/18/2013 9:15:56 AM

___________
___________
8 years ago

right, so just because it has GDDR5 memory and a unified memory pool it suddenly turns a 4 year old low spec GPU, and a CPU that was designed for web browsing NOT gaming, into "too much" of a machine.
sure, whatever, theres no point arguing with a stubborn mule.

O, btw, you do realise the reason why we only have articles on the GPU right?
thats the only thing thats been revealed, kinda hard to do articles on things which are not fully detailed.
$ony havent even come out detailing the CPU yet, everything has come from AMD and all they have said is its the jaguar 8 core, even clock speeds have not been confirmed only M$ have detailed their whole system.


Last edited by ___________ on 10/18/2013 9:47:02 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

"Too much" is not my words. All I am saying is that this machine has a *much* higher performance potential than a three year old PC simply cause there's more than GPU that decides the performance of a machine.

That is what I so patiently am trying to explain to you, and has tried to several times in the past.

What you spread is pure FUD. You pick out what little we do know and talk about the GPU like it was the entire console.
So sure, talk about the GPU all you like. Just make sure you specify that it's what you keep harping about, cause the world has not yet seen the performance of code written for eight core 64 bit 5gb gddr5 ram yet. That is what I am saying.

wolfsinner
wolfsinner
8 years ago

To directly compare a dedicated console to a PC in specs is just ignorant.

___________
___________
8 years ago

and i keep saying 8 core GDDR5 is not going to turn a 20 year old beetle into a veyron SS!
simple fact of the matter is the ps4 is by far the smallest leap weve ever had in a console generation, and its also been the biggest wait.
so excuse me for being bitterly disappointed when were expected to wait 2 years longer than normal, and rewarded with something less than what we normally get.

not to mention the systems hardly feel finished.
all the overheating videos turning up online, the now infamous red line of death pictures, surprise surprise theres been no article about that here…….
i bet if it was the one that had that there would of been 5 by now!
2 launch titles delayed 1 week before they would of been due for manufacturing, the weakest first party launch lineup weve ever seen, this is the fruits of 7 years worth of labour?
hey, $ony really must be using underage workers to create the ps4 like those complaints filed last week stated.
surprise surprise there was no article about that here either……..

wolfsinner
wolfsinner
8 years ago

"all the overheating videos turning up online, the now infamous red line of death pictures"
Point me to those videos please. All there is is a photograph of an overheating PS4 that was enclosed in an acrylic case. Of course it'll overheat. A few minutes after the case was open it went back to its normal state.
Is anyone going to keep their PS4 in an acrylic case? Or in a generally enclosed space (with little ventilation)? If there is, that someone is probably not very smart.

Again, it's not smart to directly compare a console's specs to a PC's. I've had this discussion multiple times, and I won't elaborate again but the keyword is optimization. Having a guarantee of what hardware your software will run on is a massive advantage. If you run a PC with "equivalent" specs to the PS4's with Windows and tried playing games on it, you wouldn't play anything visually close to what the PS4 will produce.

PlatformGamerNZ
PlatformGamerNZ
8 years ago

how is 8 gb of ram too much i think if anything it's enough

happy gaming =)

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
8 years ago

I'm rather entirely confused by this statement. And very worried that Square-Enix is going to continue to disappoint. Reading between the lines, I get the feeling that Nomura is saying that the expectations are going to be too high for his team to reach.

Hmm…

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

Hehe yeah that is in fact how I read it too, it's like, "oh sh*t, what we gonna do with all this stuff? How do we use it? What is it for???".

Huey
Huey
8 years ago

Is that a "oh crap we dont have any more excuses thing"?

PHOENIXZERO
PHOENIXZERO
8 years ago

Maybe it wouldn't be so overwhelming if SE's internal studios had a solid direction and weren't over working the same small group of people and overwhelming them. Or stop trying to appeal to the "western market" when they were already doing fine in that regard.

DarthNemesis
DarthNemesis
8 years ago

I smell another FF13 coming, but I never though KH was a good franchise to begin with. Stopped playing after the first one.

Shauneepeak
Shauneepeak
8 years ago

Please oh, please, oh please ignore that damn touchpad! I do not want a stupid gimmick ruining KH3 or FFXV the last thing we need is another Uncharted "Grenade Toss".

kwasmo
kwasmo
8 years ago

jjlive168
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 @ 11:50:07 PM

That is far beyond wishful thinking lol

You really think square will release two final fantasies in the same year? I bet my 5 pre-ordered ps4's they won't

I'll bet my 10 pre-ordered ps4's they won't either.