Nope. Not a fan.

But it's happening, nevertheless. Last week, we learned about the supposed inevitability of a more powerful PlayStation 4 console and now, we've got more information on Sony's console plan.

According to a new report in the Wall Street Journal , Sony is indeed prepping a more capable PS4 machine; it will produce "higher-end gaming experiences" and unsurprisingly, this includes virtual reality. The new system will apparently feature "enhanced graphics and power" and will actually not replace the existing PS4, as games made in the future will (hopefully) function on both hardware versions. As it says in the report:

"Existing PlayStation 4 owners would need to buy the new model to take full advantage of the enhanced graphics and power. Though it is likely that the current model and the coming one would share the same software catalog."

Furthermore, we can expect the official announcement before PlayStation VR lands in October , presumably so new PSVR owners can get the most out of their new purchase. Of course, this would mean they'd not only have to spring for the new virtual reality device – priced at $399 without the required $59 camera – but they'd also have to get the new upgraded console. That may not go over well with gamers, which we were worried about from the start .

"PS4K," as it has been unofficially named, will sport "ultra-high definition resolution graphics," though we don't know much else (no rumored price point, for instance). Would it make any sense to even have this new console if you don't have an Ultra HD or 4K HDTV, for example? And what if developers start making games only for the new model? How soon will the current PS4 start to feel obsolete? Way, way too fast for my taste, that's for damn sure; it really is a PC culture now.

Anyway, don't be surprised to hear this announcement at E3 in June. And don't be surprised to hear from a lot of teed-off PS4 owners when it happens.

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Temjin001
Temjin001
4 years ago

I'm guessing this is the WSJ's late-to-the-party story for all of last week's news we gamers got first.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 3/28/2016 9:37:11 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
4 years ago

Right? Lol they're always behind.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

Gaming is the very last thing they cover. The highest grossing entertainment medium in the world is of the least importance you know…

xenris
xenris
4 years ago

Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs it would seem, with the disadvantage of being locked out of changing graphics settings if your system can't handle it.

Interesting that they are doing this, and quite honestly its pretty lame.

Unless it is a minimal upgrade allowing for full use of 4K tvs, I think this is a bad move.

However it sounds like a total upgrade over the PS4, not something I thought would happen in the PS4s 3rd year.

psxmax
psxmax
4 years ago

I wish Sony would make a strip down version of the DS4 without the light and touch pad. Make the DS3 version for the PS4.

Banky A
Banky A
4 years ago

Haha I don't know man. Everything's a bit too Doomsday-ish on the internet about this right now.

I don't get the point of any fuss until we get true details. That's when I'll get mad if something is stupid – which honestly is highly probable. But at this stage not a single speculative detail sounds one bit negative to me. How are so many people sure games will eventually not start releasing on PS4.0? PC games work on heaps of cards at 30fps. No shared standards among but they works.

Fake4k 30fps >< 1080 30fps with any average display. It's the same game. Unless everyone gets a 4K display now, population isn't going to give a crap as much as SD -> HD.

Now if you tell me textures and framerate are ALSO going to be better while > 1080p (fake4K) then I may start doing 100^(n) push-up challenges to vent off salt.

There's a higher chance that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about because I'm just procrastinating from a butt kicking programming dead-end. So there's that.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
4 years ago

Without confirmation from Sony I still don't buy it.

However, I don't see this going over well. Sony needs to speak up soon and eother squash the rumors or just get the damage over with. At this point it's not good at the moment letting rumors swirl.

shadowpal2
shadowpal2
4 years ago

Let me tell you, if it's the WSJ reporting it, it's pretty official.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
4 years ago

Maybe… I'm kind of with Temjin that this is their late to the party story.

FAREEZ
FAREEZ
4 years ago

Don't worry Sony won't abandon older ps4,it just like psp when newer psp model have slightly better spec and play game smoother than psp 1000, and you still can play newer game on psp 1000. I don't know it just my example…

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

But Sony already said this monstrosity won't support 4K natively so what's the point? I can upscale anything to 4K, don't mean nothin.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/28/2016 11:37:43 PM

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
4 years ago

If it's not native I don't see the point to be honest. It's a little frustrating to try and figure out why? It's all gotta be because of VR.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

I think that's what the first story or two on its specs said. If that changes it'd at least be something.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
4 years ago

It would probably be the same concept as the 360. Render a 2.5k or 3k scene and up-convert it to 4k or some sh*t like that. In any case, if it means it can run 1080 games @60fps then I'm in. Otherwise, F*ck that.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
4 years ago

In a world where PCs are heading to the living room and looking at how PCs have constant hardware upgrades with better 3D cards every year… It is a great move they are doing. That they release this or not, your PS4 would feel outdated compared to all the tech around it that constantly evolves. They are choosing the best road: Giving the option to people who prefer PlayStation and console optimized gaming to buy stronger versions of the system as the years pass without having to sacrifice your software library. At the same time people who don't care can keep the original model and still play the same games. Best of both worlds.

daus26
daus26
4 years ago

You may have a little bit of anxiety problem if you have a problem with people out there playing the same games in better resolution or performance. What's to worry about if the library will be the same?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

Games will be made so that you get the shaft.

wackazoa
wackazoa
4 years ago

Not really World. In truth the consoles already run most games at or near minimum specs compared to the stronger hardware of the PC. So what is the difference of another console being allowed to have better graphics?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

We aren't talking about PCs, they shouldn't enter into the equation because consoling means never having to upgrade to see better settings until there is a new generation. There's no PS exclusives on PC so the whole low settings thing is cherry picking.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2016 10:53:48 AM

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
4 years ago

World Lol the way you talk it's as if you want to be blind. Ignoring the fact the same games run better on PC because PC are not consoles. But remember PCs are entering the living room. Steam link and controller and Steam Box. Consoles need to be able to compete (for 95% of the multiplat games). I agree with you that they must not make games crappy on the older version. But since the console itself chose hardware that is more PC-ish and upgrade-able I believe this wont happen.


Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 3/29/2016 11:18:43 AM

wackazoa
wackazoa
4 years ago

Actually World, you might have misunderstood. The point isnt that PC is better. The point is that the coding for consoles are already what they are and will stay what they are. All that will probably happen is that the "upgraded" console will play better. Your experience on the PS4 shouldnt change one bit.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

No I already understood that. and no the PC isn't entering the living room except for with total dorks.

wackazoa
wackazoa
4 years ago

"no the PC isn't entering the living room except for with total dorks."

That hurts dude. Im not that big of a dork.

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
4 years ago

Meh

big6
big6
4 years ago

Not a fan, but it doesn't really bother me, either.

But, if they were to go ahead an make a "more powerful" console, I'd want the specs to be superb tho. I don't want something that's a little better than the current PS4. It has to be noticeably better!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
4 years ago

As I said in the other PS4K topic, Sony has to come up with some form of guarantee that games for Playstation 4 will neither require a PS4K, not appear gimped on a PS4 compared to PS4K.

If games start arriving that can take advantage of stronger hardware in PS4K making the current PS4 look gimped by comparison, you're going to see a lot of pissed off gamers. You'll also see a lot of comparison articles that criticize PS4 performance vs PS4K.

Is it really a good idea to create a situation where the flagship product that drives your corporate profit is going to be given unfavorable comparisons every day in the media? It doesn't matter if it's another PS4 model that makes that unfavorable comparison, there will be headlines by the boatload.

Hell, there already are headlines by the boatload, I have to wonder how Sony is taking in the current furor. I can hope that they are paying attention, but I expect that they'll play dumb.

wackazoa
wackazoa
4 years ago

Well by default the PS4K should look better. That is inevitable. The major thing is that your PS4 shouldnt look different. So your experience would be the same whether you knew the PS4K was a thing or not.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
4 years ago

No, you see, this is a major issue to console owners. I fully understand that when you buy into PC gaming, you know going in that there will be differences in performance and that over the course of 2-3 years your PC will gradually become less able to run games at good resolution and frame rates.

But that's not something that has ever happened in the console world. You are buying a closed system with specific capability in terms of resolution, framerate and even effects available. Any significant upgrade to that is a new console generation.

The only way you can go to a more fluid console hardware environment is to virtualize the systems, have developers create applications that are targeted at the lowest common denominator, but can be scaled by the hardware.

PS4K will make 40 million PS4 owners feel like they have an obsolete machine on day one, because the hardware will in fact be obsolete, and replaced by the new. That is not the expectation those consumers had when they invested in PS4, the expectation was that just like every other console generation their system would be 'the' system for 5-7 years, that is how it's always been with consoles.

Jumping up to a better spec mid-generation is going to feel like something of a bait and switch for many consumers, especially those who just bought a PS4. I'd be willing to bet that new PS4 sales will plummet during the uncertainty of PS4K and it's launch.

wackazoa
wackazoa
4 years ago

I understand your point. However console users do feel it. Everytime a new "generation" comes out. Now some jump right into it. But others wait a few years. Hell werent they producing for the PS2 like 4 years into the PS3's lifespan?

Also the hardware isnt gonna be obsolete. You can still buy and play games well on the PS3. You just get a better graphical experience on the PS4. The game isnt running any faster.

That seems to be the misconception about the PC. That you have to upgrade all the time to be able to play. It isnt true. And neither is that fact that a "new" console makes the old one unable to play games.

Also 40 million people arent gonna lose their ability to play games. They are still gonna be the driving force of AAA development because publishers want that cash. The new PS4K will just have better graphics, although perhaps a jump to full 60fps instead of a locked 30 will be there too. But the PS4 will still play the same games, and have the same experience that it has always had. The PS4K will just be better.

Also yeah sales will slow. "I can buy one now or wait until the new one comes out." is normal. However they will still sell PS4 to those who might not be interested in the newer model.Also there is no price point yet, so that might drive sales for those expecting the new version to be more expensive.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
4 years ago

Yes, you can play on PS3, but not all games (and increasingly far fewer new games) are available on PS4 and PS3.

Buying in the middle of the console generation is a way to ensure that there is a good library of games before you buy. You're still waiting an entire console generation before upgrading to the next console, it's simply a time shift of the purchase.

The key point you seem to want to ignore is that PS3 doesn't play the same games as PS4. If you have not upgraded to a PS4, there are some games where the PS3 game is the same as the PS4 game, look at Star Ocean 5 for example, the differences are visual only. However there are a lot of games on PS4 that will never come to PS3. So, the PS3 in actuality becomes obsolete because new games are not (generally speaking) written for it.

Why is that? Because the new console can do things the old one could not.

A PS4K that gives 4K scaling and 4K native video playback as well as supporting PlayStation VR without an external box makes a lot of sense for Sony. Giving developers a significant boost in resource for games does not. Developers *will* exploit the new GPU power and games *will* be created that can't work the same way on original PS4s. There will have to be compromises made in the game running on original PS4s, which in effect, makes the original PS4 yesterday's news, and obsolete since it now requires special effort on the developer to support it.

A mid-generation upgrade that offers a significant increase in the basic resource for games vs the original model is not a mid-generation upgrade, it's a change in generation. It's too early in the console life cycle for a new generation.

HANZ64
HANZ64
4 years ago

Though it is not clear exactly how much more "powerful" this PS4K will be compared to the original model, Im assuming its not "that much" more powerful where developers will want to do things with their games that are only possible on the PS4K and cause lag on the original. Im pretty sure that developers will have to conform to the original PS4 capabilities as a base standard, and then perhaps use the extra oomph of the PS4k for increased framerates, upscaling etc.

Now, I personally think they should have just called this a PS4 Slim with slight improvements (much like the PSP-2000/3000 etc) (Unless it turns out larger in which case perhaps PS4K would be better). I also think that if they price this at the standard price (and reduce the price of the original PS4), I don't think anyone will have a reason to complain (assuming the quality of games are kept consistent on both models).

However, if they are trying to pass this off as a more powerful PS4 (which they are) + increase the price, then we have a problem here (^ And I think Highlander summed up the reasons why pretty well).

So it all depends on the pricing I believe. Because I don't mind if we can get a new PS4 model at the same cost as the original with some slight improvements, while still having the original PS4 available at a lower price. If they don't do this, then I don't know…

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
4 years ago

People who game on let's say 50" or less HDTV, I think the majority of PS4 owners have nothing to worry about.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
4 years ago

Well…indeed. Given the resolution of the human eye, the analog nature of the human visual system, the size of screen, viewing distance from the screen and screen resolution all come into play. This article at CNET;

http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/

…explains in a bit more detail if anyone wants it.

There is a great graph in the article that provides a quick reference for comparing different standards of TV resolution vs viewing distance and screen size.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/29/2016 6:17:10 PM

trinichinese
trinichinese
4 years ago

i wonder if and when this happens what about online gaming will ps4 players be able to play with ps4k online with the same games .

HANZ64
HANZ64
4 years ago

That's an obvious yes.

Ydobon
Ydobon
4 years ago

Predicting it now, ps4/ps4k owners are going to experience exactly what the original/new 3ds owners had to deal with hyrule warriors. Except this is going to be on a massive scale.

PS9
PS9
4 years ago

What a mess! I mean, really… PS4K, the VR thing, and Microsoft / Nintendo also coming out with new boxes. Instead of just waiting for the technology to handle 1080p/60fps or even 4K… talk about losing the plot. Ken Kutaragi, I hope you are seeing all of this and laughing!

ricksterj
ricksterj
4 years ago

Looks like I played it smart then as I don't even have a PS4 yet.

VictorDeLeon
VictorDeLeon
4 years ago

their source? none OK

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
4 years ago

Maybe… I&#39m kind of with Temjin that this is their late to the party story.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
4 years ago

If it&#39s not native I don&#39t see the point to be honest. It&#39s a little frustrating to try and figure out why? It&#39s all gotta be because of VR.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
4 years ago

Without confirmation from Sony I still don&#39t buy it.

However, I don&#39t see this going over well. Sony needs to speak up soon and eother squash the rumors or just get the damage over with. At this point it&#39s not good at the moment letting rumors swirl.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

But Sony already said this monstrosity won&#39t support 4K natively so what&#39s the point? I can upscale anything to 4K, don&#39t mean nothin.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/28/2016 11:37:43 PM

Banky A
Banky A
7 months ago

Haha I don&#39t know man. Everything&#39s a bit too Doomsday-ish on the internet about this right now.

I don&#39t get the point of any fuss until we get true details. That&#39s when I&#39ll get mad if something is stupid – which honestly is highly probable. But at this stage not a single speculative detail sounds one bit negative to me. How are so many people sure games will eventually not start releasing on PS4.0? PC games work on heaps of cards at 30fps. No shared standards among but they works.

Fake4k 30fps >< 1080 30fps with any average display. It&#39s the same game. Unless everyone gets a 4K display now, population isn&#39t going to give a crap as much as SD -> HD.

Now if you tell me textures and framerate are ALSO going to be better while > 1080p (fake4K) then I may start doing 100^(n) push-up challenges to vent off salt.

There&#39s a higher chance that I don&#39t know what the hell I&#39m talking about because I&#39m just procrastinating from a butt kicking programming dead-end. So there&#39s that.

FAREEZ
FAREEZ
4 years ago

Don&#39t worry Sony won&#39t abandon older ps4,it just like psp when newer psp model have slightly better spec and play game smoother than psp 1000, and you still can play newer game on psp 1000. I don&#39t know it just my example…

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
4 years ago

I think that&#39s what the first story or two on its specs said. If that changes it&#39d at least be something.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
4 years ago

It would probably be the same concept as the 360. Render a 2.5k or 3k scene and up-convert it to 4k or some sh*t like that. In any case, if it means it can run 1080 games @60fps then I&#39m in. Otherwise, F*ck that.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
4 years ago

In a world where PCs are heading to the living room and looking at how PCs have constant hardware upgrades with better 3D cards every year… It is a great move they are doing. That they release this or not, your PS4 would feel outdated compared to all the tech around it that constantly evolves. They are choosing the best road: Giving the option to people who prefer PlayStation and console optimized gaming to buy stronger versions of the system as the years pass without having to sacrifice your software library. At the same time people who don&#39t care can keep the original model and still play the same games. Best of both worlds.

daus26
daus26
4 years ago

You may have a little bit of anxiety problem if you have a problem with people out there playing the same games in better resolution or performance. What&#39s to worry about if the library will be the same?

shadowpal2
shadowpal2
4 years ago

Let me tell you, if it&#39s the WSJ reporting it, it&#39s pretty official.