Whether we want it or not, it appears "PS4K" will become a reality .

Even though it might be a ways off (reports are that the new upgraded system is still in the prototype phase), one wonders how PlayStation 4 owners will react when Sony makes the announcement.

It will depend on a lot of factors, of course, and we really don't have enough details just yet. How will Sony deliver this updated machine? How much will it cost? How exactly will it make games look better? How much better? Will it be worth the expense for current owners to upgrade? Will developers start taking advantage of the more powerful hardware, thereby sort of coercing all of us into an upgrade? Will it feel like we're playing with an "old" system? Perhaps the last question is the kicker:

When PS4.5 or PS4K or whatever it is comes out, will it seem like a new PlayStation; like an entirely new generation? If it doesn't, how exactly will it entice consumers to get it? And if it does, how are PS4 owners expected to feel if, perhaps a mere three years into the generation, they're expected to shell out another $300 or something like that to keep their entertainment center fully updated? Now, if cost isn't a consideration for you and you're a hardcore gamer, chances are, you're probably reading this news with excitement. Hell, the games are gonna look and play even better! Awesome!

There's that argument, too, I suppose. But console owners aren't used to these "half-upgrades," so-to-speak. When a new piece of hardware comes out, they expect a very significant leap in technology. That's what we should all expect after 5, 6, even 7 years with the same console, right? But how much of a leap can we expect in only a few years? On top of which, if it really can't handle true 4K resolution, what's the point ? How excited can we really get? One wonders if Sony is doing this in response to Nintendo's upcoming console, and we also hear rumors of an upgraded Xbox, too. Maybe Sony just doesn't want to be left behind.

I really don't know but it'll be interesting to see how PS4 fans respond to this. If Sony announces it at E3, for example, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to hear a loud chorus of boos in the audience…

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Jawknee
Jawknee
6 years ago

Nah, I will likely buy another PS4 before the generation is out and I hope to have a 4K tv by then too.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
6 years ago

Yeah I am looking forward to this new model for PS VR 😀 I want this more than the other solutions so far because of the amount of software it promises 😀

martyt
martyt
6 years ago

If it's native 4K gaming, I would buy it and the tv to go with it.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
6 years ago

It will not be capable of 4K native resolution gaming. That sort of hardware costs twice the price of a PS4.

I will be shocked if this is anything more than a new iteration of the PS4 APU that's a bit more efficient performance wise, and a bit more efficient on power resulting in less heat and a smaller heat sink & fan. AMD might be able to incklude a 4K upscaler and 4K video decoder on the die. More likely though is a separate 4K upscaler and decoder on the motherboard.

This would yeild a PS4 with 4K output, native 4K video playback for those new 4K Blu Rays, and 1080p to 4K upscaling of games and other PS4 content to allow PS4 to output to 4K screens.

This will not give developers access to any significantly different CPU or GPU resources becauseto do so would spliot the userbase of PS4. You'd essentially have games that only work on a PS4. That would only be worthhile if it was native 4K gaming. But as I said a the beginning, the hardware for that is too expensive to appear in a mid-life revision slimline PS4.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
6 years ago

I don't understand the fact that you think if a more powerful PS4 comes out the other version won't get the games. The advantage of a PC-ish set-up is exactly that they would be able to just up a few settings on the more powerful PS4 (resolution or textures or AA). The end.


Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 3/25/2016 2:59:49 AM

Bio
Bio
6 years ago

The PS4 already supports 4K video and photo. I agree with Highlander, though, that 4K gaming is unlikely, because I doubt Sony plans to produce $1,000 PS4s that nobody will buy.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
6 years ago

@Neo_Aeon666
this is a gaming console, not a PC. Consoles are fixed platforms that developers can consistently target, everyone knows the parameters, and consumers don't have to worry about which one they have, a PS4 is a PS4 is a PS4. If you introduce a PS4 sub-model with more CPU an GPU allowing better game resolution and performance, you split your user base, which is pretty much completely opposite to the whole point of game consoles.

PC gaming is different because each PC is owned and configured by it's Owner, you know when you get into PC gaming that performance and resolution depend on your system and the CPU/GPU you have. You know you can upgrade whenever you want. But you also know that the price you pay is additional $$ and potentially games that won't run on your system because it's too weak.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
6 years ago

Yes but what if it is just a powered up version of the same type of GPU/CPU. That would mean very little optimizing for the devs no? I know it's not a PC but their engines are already made to scale. The only difference is that you can't adjust it on your own on your PS4. And like that new PS4k or whatever model would just run the same games but the OS and games would now come with a preset setting depending on what version of PS4 it runs. Makes sense and we still all play the same game and no one has to tweak anything no? Also I am guessing this type of approach would last for 1-2 iterations of PS4. Then the gap would be too important and now we would be on the verge of a real PS5.

I wouldn't mind this type of approach since tech evolves so fast. It is sad at the end of a generation when your console games now don't even compare to the PC equivalent. This model would give the option for people who want to stick to PS brand without sacrificing quality after a few years to stay there and enjoy competing graphics through out the generation and it would make lower-end models much cheaper for people who don't care or don't have 4K or don't need VR.

If done this way it would remove nothing from current owners who would still play all games at the best their machine can handle but still give an option to those who want to get even better if they wish. As long as there is no dirty crap like making a game very bad on purpose on a lower model to sell more bigger models. But seeing how Sony behaved this generation I would prefer being optimistic and hoping they are doing this to offer us more choice and freedom.


Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 3/26/2016 1:30:40 AM

daus26
daus26
6 years ago

I'm excited!!

daus26
daus26
6 years ago

Nobody really loses. It's not like there will be ps4k exclusives that the original ps4 can't play. If you really don't care about a boost in visuals then by all means why care if you're going to be playing the same games. I think this is somewhat similar to the 3ds vs New 3ds.


Last edited by daus26 on 3/24/2016 10:42:38 PM

Hexen
Hexen
6 years ago

I would get it if the boost is significant, if is just to play 4k media then I would probably just get another regular ps4.

PS9
PS9
6 years ago

I don't know, the whole situation feels a little like the SEGA 32X / SegaCD fiasco. It also confirms that these machines are very weak in terms of their processing power and throughput- couldn't they have just waited one more year and thrown in a better APU? I actually don't think SONY and Microsoft are throwing this concept around because of competition between them; I think they have heard the truth about the Nintendo NX and are concerned about that. I mean it's not the VR thing because they could have just thrown in additional processing into that box, but didn't (I know there is an "assist" chip in there of some sort but I don't think its like the APU in the PS4).

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

I also think it's reception will depend on a whole lot of variables.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a slimmer, higher capacity, and more updated multimedia feature set than the standard PS4.

I'm skeptical still about there being any actually increases to hardware game related performance.
That's a more sticky matter and it's one Sony better be damned sure they're careful with if they so-choose that route.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 3/24/2016 11:13:19 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
6 years ago

Agreed, that would split the userbase, and that would be a very stupid move. Sony has shown some decent common sense in the way they've handled PS4, I'd be surprised to see them abandon the pragmatism they've displayed.

ryu
ryu
6 years ago

if it means price cut on older model, why the hell not

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

Not sure if a 4k TV will ever be affordable in the PS4 life time.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
6 years ago

They are actually relatively cheap. I got mine for the same price I bought my 1080p tv for 2 years ago.

I shopped around a bit and I found Vizio, Sharp, Samsung and Sony all had 4k tv's between $500 and $1000. Some were on sale but none were entry level televisions.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

gotta be over 70 inches

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
6 years ago

Haha I don't know about that then. I only looked at 60" and below.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 3/25/2016 11:58:11 AM

duomaxwell007
duomaxwell007
6 years ago

The reaction would definitely be anger.. one of the advantages to having a console over PC is you dont have to upgrade all the time… making a "better" PS4 would suddenly destroy that advantage, also so all of us who paid 399 for a PS4 at launch and are about to pay that same price again for whats just an accessory (ps vr) would now have to pay full price AGAIN for an updated consoles we already have? THe ONLY way that would go over well is if there 100 upgrade option for ppl who have PS4s already, and i you say well no one complained about newer iterations of PS1, 2 and 3 (the slims) thats because the only thing those models changed were size and maybe power consumption.. it wasnt making a better console that would run better graphics than the previous model which would probably make SOME game require that model (i.e new 3ds and xenoblade)

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
6 years ago

I understand your feels and if they do it I do hope they would do a discount if you trade an old machine. But look at it this way.

You paid 399 at launch. You are irritated because someone would pay 399 two years later and get a better product… But what if they didn't do it. The price would go down because the same tech that cost a lot two years ago is now cheap. Now you would be irritated people pay 299 instead of 399. There is no way to *win* when you buy tech.

Now the real deal is that when they do it they have to respect the older models and release all the content on all the systems making it so that your original purchase is never a bad one. Sure you bought the first model but you got to play two years of awesome games they missed out. To me that's worth it. And now if you look at it from the point of view of people who didn't buy one yet: They missed two years but get a little better hardware. Worth it for some of them and will just help grow the userbase (as long as it remains like on PC where a better PC just gets little graphics boosts but still the same games)


Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 3/25/2016 3:15:18 AM

Ather
Ather
6 years ago

Depend son how many have a 4K TV. I don't. So it's kind of moot for me on PS4.5/PS4K. No point in getting it. But still bothered when i don't have the best of the best. Never did like Nintendo's damn expansion pack.

ethird1
ethird1
6 years ago

It will cause anger. You can bet Sony will do everything they can to get people to buy their new system and that will mean making a game that will be inferior on the old one.

Breadlover
Breadlover
6 years ago

Hmm.. hasn't Nintendo been doing this ever since the DS line of their mobile platforms came out? o_O .. there wasn't much of a negative impact on their brand was there?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

yeah…there has

Jawknee
Jawknee
6 years ago

Not in terms of hardware. Only outer design. The only Nintendo device to recieve a hardware upgrade in the NEW 3DS. Their latest version of the device.

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

Nintendo has experimented most with it.
The Wii Motion Plus was required for Skyward Sword.
The N64 had a ram cart that made for better graphics on certain games.
They also had the 64DD in Japan.
And yea, their newest 3Ds.

While not so much processor changes they were upgrades that affected their core offering of games. Where buyers had to be aware of additional stuff to make higher profile games work.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 3/25/2016 11:39:03 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
6 years ago

Oh yea. I forgot about the 64 expansion pack and Wii motion plus.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
6 years ago

There is one justification I can think of for a model with more performance in the APU that might go over well with PS4 owners.

If this PS4K arrived with game performance locked down at existing PS4 performance for PS4 titles, but with 4K scaling; 4K for video playback and…

…PS1/PS2 backwards compatibility(including reading game discs) baked into the firmware (taking advantage of the better APU performance).

That is something that would get me interested in buying a PS4K.

wackazoa
wackazoa
6 years ago

I think we can forget about backwards capability. Sony seems only interested in selling it through their store. Shame too. But honestly unless the games were "remastered" it wouldnt matter, old PS2 games looked like shit on the PS3. Can only imagine how they would look on the PS4.

shaytoon
shaytoon
6 years ago

pointless hardware upgrade. i dont know anyone that fell for the 4k tv trend.

its as if if the hd dvd vs bluray wars are back at it with ultra super hd 4k uhd vs hd.

wtf.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
6 years ago

4k movies and TV is pretty great. There's a distinct difference but to most it probably wouldn't matter for games. I know I don't much care about 4k gaming although, I havnt seen a game in 4k yet so… My mind totally changed when I watched a movie in 4k.

Beamboom
Beamboom
6 years ago

I got a feeling that VR has been a contributing factor in favour of this decision.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
6 years ago

It's possible. Perhaps whatever is in the supplemental processing unit announced with Son's PlayStation VR product is integrated within the PS4K allowing the PS4K to do without the extra box, and just plug in the headset. That would make a lot of sense as no one likes an extra box and power cord/brick hanging around.

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

Let's hope Sony doesn't over extend their reach with this VR gig and take a big fall, like MS did with Kinect before them …


Last edited by Temjin001 on 3/25/2016 3:01:26 PM

HANZ64
HANZ64
6 years ago

Why not just view this as a PS4 slim? (Unless it turns out more expensive, in which case…)

matt99
matt99
6 years ago

Because the slim models never featured performance upgrades that affected games, they were just smaller and more efficient.

JackC8
JackC8
6 years ago

Being a PC gamer these days, I find it very hard to believe that a reasonably priced console could run 4K games. Even a $500+ graphics card can only run 4K if the graphics settings are turned down, and then it barely manages 30 fps. I'd much rather have ultra graphics and rock-solid 60 fps in 1080 than medium graphics and struggling to maintain 30 fps in 4K.

I think the PS4K is probably going to be the PS4 Slim which, as one of its features, does some sort of upconversion thing just like the newer Blu ray players.

Jawknee
Jawknee
6 years ago

Nah, I will likely buy another PS4 before the generation is out and I hope to have a 4K tv by then too.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
6 years ago

Yeah I am looking forward to this new model for PS VR 😀 I want this more than the other solutions so far because of the amount of software it promises 😀

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

Let&#39s hope Sony doesn&#39t over extend their reach with this VR gig and take a big fall, like MS did with Kinect before them …


Last edited by Temjin001 on 3/25/2016 3:01:26 PM

ethird1
ethird1
6 years ago

It will cause anger. You can bet Sony will do everything they can to get people to buy their new system and that will mean making a game that will be inferior on the old one.

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

Nintendo has experimented most with it.
The Wii Motion Plus was required for Skyward Sword.
The N64 had a ram cart that made for better graphics on certain games.
They also had the 64DD in Japan.
And yea, their newest 3Ds.

While not so much processor changes they were upgrades that affected their core offering of games. Where buyers had to be aware of additional stuff to make higher profile games work.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 3/25/2016 11:39:03 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
6 years ago

It&#39s possible. Perhaps whatever is in the supplemental processing unit announced with Son&#39s PlayStation VR product is integrated within the PS4K allowing the PS4K to do without the extra box, and just plug in the headset. That would make a lot of sense as no one likes an extra box and power cord/brick hanging around.

duomaxwell007
duomaxwell007
6 years ago

The reaction would definitely be anger.. one of the advantages to having a console over PC is you dont have to upgrade all the time… making a "better" PS4 would suddenly destroy that advantage, also so all of us who paid 399 for a PS4 at launch and are about to pay that same price again for whats just an accessory (ps vr) would now have to pay full price AGAIN for an updated consoles we already have? THe ONLY way that would go over well is if there 100 upgrade option for ppl who have PS4s already, and i you say well no one complained about newer iterations of PS1, 2 and 3 (the slims) thats because the only thing those models changed were size and maybe power consumption.. it wasnt making a better console that would run better graphics than the previous model which would probably make SOME game require that model (i.e new 3ds and xenoblade)

Jawknee
Jawknee
6 years ago

Not in terms of hardware. Only outer design. The only Nintendo device to recieve a hardware upgrade in the NEW 3DS. Their latest version of the device.

Breadlover
Breadlover
6 years ago

Hmm.. hasn&#39t Nintendo been doing this ever since the DS line of their mobile platforms came out? o_O .. there wasn&#39t much of a negative impact on their brand was there?

Ather
Ather
6 years ago

Depend son how many have a 4K TV. I don&#39t. So it&#39s kind of moot for me on PS4.5/PS4K. No point in getting it. But still bothered when i don&#39t have the best of the best. Never did like Nintendo&#39s damn expansion pack.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
6 years ago

4k movies and TV is pretty great. There&#39s a distinct difference but to most it probably wouldn&#39t matter for games. I know I don&#39t much care about 4k gaming although, I havnt seen a game in 4k yet so… My mind totally changed when I watched a movie in 4k.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

yeah…there has