Now I'm starting to worry.

Let me start by saying this: The PlayStation Network was experiencing issues and I didn't notice. Why? I have a life. I'm busy.

I actually found out because a friend of mine said one of his coworkers was totally losing his sh** because the PSN had been down for "over an hour." Apparently, he was actually throwing stuff at the TV. Of course, that's an isolated incident so I shrugged it off and didn't think too much about it. Then, on my way home, I was in Target getting a game-related gift and I overheard one of the employees bitching endlessly about how much the PSN sucks, and why he "can't even use it anymore."

…something is seriously amiss. The people I know who have lives really weren't aware of this PSN issue and if they were, it would have little to no impact. If your life is so dramatically impacted by this, you need to reevaluate and re-prioritize. Rapidly . Yes, I know it can be very frustrating and yes, I believe that when you pay for a service, you expect it to be reliable. But "reliable" is a very relative term, is it not? Whenever I want to use the PSN, it works. Almost always. 99 percent of the time. Usually, when it's down, I don't notice because I don't spend my entire life online. And when I do notice, I do something else .

After Hurricane Irene swept through all those years ago, I enjoyed seeing the result. So much so that I wrote this article . Maybe somebody needs to pen something similar for when our precious PSN disappears for a few hours.

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MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
5 years ago

When did this happen? I really didn't notice.

You know what's funny? Those that complain about PSN being down are most likely those that have a FPS and barely touched single player.


Last edited by MRSUCCESS on 2/1/2016 10:37:07 PM

smileys_007
smileys_007
5 years ago

yeah, you're right. good thing I'm not much into online gaming. It would have probably impacted me too, but only for a little. ^_^

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
5 years ago

I didn't even know. Until now.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
5 years ago

I would never even notice cause I play SP modes.

Anyways, I hope your bud broke his TV when he threw his temper-tantrum over petty stuff, maybe that will teach him a very valuable lesson……

…….Nahhh, then again, probably not!

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

thankfully I like enough types of games i can usually shrug off a network failure and just play something else offline instead. I suppose if like Destiny 2 launched with network problems on day one I'd be pretty upset. Just because I'd be excited to play a new game but couldnt.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 2/1/2016 11:43:26 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
5 years ago

Lol I had some issues earlier but I assumed it was my internet since it too was freaking out. Spent the day changing modems and talking to the ISP. sigh…..

mk ultra
mk ultra
5 years ago

Was also unaware. It kicked me off earlier today but let me right back on. My biggest problem today was the onshore wind destroying what little swell there was.

smileys_007
smileys_007
5 years ago

I'm also unaware that the PSN is down until today. I usually log in to my PSN just for logging in to my account and syncing trophies. I rarely use it to play multiplayer games, so it doesn't bother me that much when PSN is down.

Shauneepeak
Shauneepeak
5 years ago

Couldn't have been down that long seeing as I hopped on to The Division beta like an hour after this post.

The CEO
The CEO
5 years ago

I don't mind it being down but I can see why people would be upset. Some people between kids and working have very little time. So put yourself in their shoes. I would be angry too if I had limited hours considering it is a paid service to play online. Even if not paying your digital games are not playable if you have 2 PS4s.

Hexen
Hexen
5 years ago

Did not notice since I'm never logged in however they should consider not charging to play online.

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
5 years ago

Wait Psn down i didnt notice o.O

frostface
frostface
5 years ago

Making out people who pay for a service that's always down have no life is a bit insulting. The down time didn't bother me because I went from work to the gym and then walked the dog, by that time it was late and I really wasn't in the mood to sign in.

But with everything being online these days and people spending good money on either the games or for that matter a service that's down more times than it's up, I think people have a right to complain.

Sure the option to go outside is viable, if it's not lashing wind and rain outside, or you just got home from a busy day and want to just jump on to indulge in your favourite pass time and kick back with friends.

For someone who is a gaming journalist, calling out gamers for wanting to play their games but can't, just doesn't seem right.

Maybe it's time to wind down this part of your career path and focus on the other interests you have taking up your valuable time.

You've said it yourself, your heart isn't in the gaming industry any more and that's a bad place to be considering you're meant to be actively involved in it.


Last edited by frostface on 2/2/2016 7:57:54 AM

Evil Incarnate
Evil Incarnate
5 years ago

I'm sorry, but it is pathetic behavior. When my ISP provider experiences problems I don't call them complaining unless it's down for a good length of time. Society has become populated by impatient, entitled whiners. As far as this article being offensive…..sometimes the truth hurts.


Last edited by Evil Incarnate on 2/2/2016 9:30:19 AM

Bio
Bio
5 years ago

If my ISP was going down for an hour or more at seemingly regular intervals, I'd be raising hell. Or simply switching ISPs.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

Down more times than it's up?

Right.

When PSN was down for a month, that definitely deserved criticism, even if it was an attack. I get why they needed to basically overhaul the service for the long term health of the service, but it was still very poor, even thought it was free.

But when it's down for an hour once in a while? No. I can't agree with you even a little bit Frosty. If an hour of downtime for a video game network is going to draw ire and spite, there is definitely a problem. A whole day? Sure. A little criticism is due. But even for a month, throwing things at a tv, etc. is definitely indicative of an addiction, if you ask me.

And lets not start acting like this doesn't happen with other internet services. DNS attacks happen ALL the time. Xbox live is down from time to time as well. (The stats are out there if you care to look)

Evil Incarnate is spot on.

By the way, XBOX live had various geographical outages a couple days ago for 6 hours. 2 hours this morning in the early AM…..


Last edited by Underdog15 on 2/2/2016 10:10:03 AM

Evil Incarnate
Evil Incarnate
5 years ago

@Bio

I wasn't speaking hypothetical scenario. I was comparing yesterdays PSN outage to ISP outage of the same length and time. PSN isn't down for me in regular intervals and nor is my ISP. If they were it would have to be a consistent problem or decent amount of time before I start ranting. By the way, PS4 is still playable without internet so it does not impede on your ability to use the device. If developer/publisher decides to require internet connection to play a title that's on them. I do not agree or support titles that require always online to play.


Last edited by Evil Incarnate on 2/2/2016 10:07:40 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
5 years ago

Amazing. You can go out of your way to insult me when every last soul on earth has no issue whatsoever with what was said. And you can only manage to do it by stretching the words far enough to suit your own agenda.

If your takeaway from this piece was that I insulted gamers because they wanted to play their games, you're simply too much of an antagonistic fool to even consider. This was obviously and specifically about those who freak out and act as if the world is ending if the PSN is down and if you wish to defend that while attacking me, by all means.

What a tool.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 2/2/2016 10:54:58 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

This criticism by… wait for it… a critic… is well warranted. People need to be flexible in this new age of stupid online all the time shenanigans. A lot worse is going to happen over the years than a service going down for a few hours now and then.

frostface
frostface
5 years ago

I think people paying for a service but not getting it and wanting to vent is absolutely acceptable. Ok, in this instance it was for a couple of hours, but it is becoming a frequent occurrence, and sometimes a few hours, or even one hour in the day, is all people have.

This attitude " The PlayStation Network was experiencing issues and I didn't notice. Why? I have a life. " is where the problem with your article lies. Because someone tries to fit some game time in and the paid service is down, you suggest they need to get a life just like you because that's what happens in your world.

And I do think some people can take their ire to ridiculous levels of overreaction but that doesn't mean there isn't some justification in what they're saying. If PSN was free I'd probably have a different opinion but it's not.

And looking over your reply, you haven't been able to back up your article at all. You focused on me instead of sticking to the subject.

When you start spouting lines like this out of ya " you're simply too much of an antagonistic fool to even consider. " this suggests to me that you even know you don't have a leg to stand on.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

I'm allowed to be disappointed when the grocery store runs out of medium salsa, too. I'm not going to spend time taking to social media about it or throwing things across the room.

If I do, I hope someone tells me to get a life.

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
5 years ago

@Underdog,

What you said about the salsa was not a good example. You didn't pay for unlimited salsa up front for X amount of months.

@frostface: I do understand where you coming from. Your point is that some gamers only have X amount of time to play and they may dedicate that time to play with others. This may be one of their favorite ways (or only way) to relief stress especially after a stressful day. The aforementioned gamers might have a fit if they cannot that relief stress or just have a good time and since they pay for the service they feel entitled to. I understand you but some of the things you said could have been phrased differently.

As far as Ben goes… don't take the article personally.


Last edited by MRSUCCESS on 2/2/2016 12:58:19 PM

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

@Mr. Success

Or did I? O.o

No… I did not. But I should have unlimited access to salsa. It's a 24 hour grocery store! 😀


Last edited by Underdog15 on 2/2/2016 1:16:24 PM

frostface
frostface
5 years ago

@MRSUCCESS I worded everything exactly as I intended, unfortunately Ben and I disagree on a lot of things, this is nothing new. But if he wants to have a moment and resort to childish name calling because I disagreed with him , maybe he needs to step back from the keyboard and go outside and live that life of his he is so fond of.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

I've never been to Ireland, but I'm actually wondering if blatant things like name calling are more offensive than passive aggression. I think in North America, people typically take offense to being told what to do by people outside their world of expertise.

If I'm honest, the most offensive thing said in this thread based on the culture I am apart of was when you said he should wind down this part of his career.

But that could be more of a cultural mindset of the idea that he should be allowed to pursue a living in whatever way makes him most happy. "The American Dream" if you will. I've never liked the fact that we put so much of our identity into what we do, but it is a very North American thing. And it may be why I thought that one line to be the most absurd, offensive thing I've read in a while here. Especially since it seems to exist only as an added passive aggressive insult tagged on to the mere fact that you just disagree with his point of view.

It just sounded super elitist to me.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 2/2/2016 3:01:14 PM

frostface
frostface
5 years ago

Underdog, we've spoken before, a long time ago granted but did I come across as irrational person or as someone who would like to crush someone's dreams or disrespectful to your culture?

If Ben was to call it a day at PSXE and got a job writing for a top newspaper or magazine, or decided writing wasn't his dream anymore and he was going to take up professional arm wrestling whilst driving a truck across the country, I'd wish the guy well, as long as he's doing what he wants to do, call it living the American Dream if you like.

But by Bens own admission, his heart isn't in the gaming industry like it was before. He had also as recently as this week stated that he had other vested interests that require more of his time and after however long he's being writing for this site, and for a long time being the sole writer for this site, it's not hard to see where he's coming from.
And that's not to mention how he comes across in the comment sections when someone disagrees with him. He doesn't know how to communicate with members in a civilised manner anymore because this place is a weight on his shoulders.

He'll not admit any of this publicly but he knows I'm right.

So no I'm not crushing his American Dream. This may have been once his dream but that time has passed. And I wish him nothing but success in whatever comes next for him.

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
5 years ago

The amount of traffic this thread is generating, I think maybe Frost and Ben need to start collaborating articles. Ben can post something, Frost will post a rebuttal, and we can all just hammer it out in the comments section..Controversy does seem to make for entertaining reading. I might go make some popcorn, mix a drink and sit and wait to see what's going to happen next! Except I'm at work, very strict no popcorn rules here..the drinking thing seems to be endorsed however..


Last edited by CH1N00K on 2/2/2016 4:25:36 PM

frostface
frostface
5 years ago

Ch1N00k I could use some of that ad money lol

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

I was just thinking out loud (in print?). Not really making an assumption. Just commenting on what I read. No predisposition added from previous points of view or anything.

Bio
Bio
5 years ago

I didn't notice it was down, because I'm a single father who doesn't have much time to play online to begin with. That said, if PSN was down during the one hour I'd managed to block off for the week solely for playing something online, I'd be pretty pissed, and I think I'd have a right to feel that way.

As for people who play a lot complaining about this, I think the issue is more that people like to complain, not that they're so addicted they literally can't go an hour without PSN. I mean, I'm sure some kids are like that, but kids are dumb and impatient by default.

Either way I think Sony needs to do a better job maintaining their network.

shaytoon
shaytoon
5 years ago

its interesting how psn was practically flawless before enforcing the ps+ subs. now that most ps owners are paying for psn, youd think sony would step up its server improvements. whats the deal $ony?

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
5 years ago

Kudos to you for being a single father. We need more of those in this culture.

Bio
Bio
5 years ago

I agree that we need more men to step up and care for the children they help create, but I don't know if we necessarily need more single fathers, specifically.

I do appreciate the sentiment, and the compliment, though. Thank you 🙂

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
5 years ago

Yes, that's what I meant: more involved fathers. I was going to edit the comment because it could be misunderstood but it was a little too late.

You're welcomed.

Rogueagent01
Rogueagent01
5 years ago

When you consider that the consumer has invested a minimum of $400 then yes they have the right to complain, however said consumers need to remember it is a service and they do go down from time to time.

But telling them to go the **** outside is nearly the same type of complaining that you're complaining about, which really makes me laugh.

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
5 years ago

What makes me laugh are the cry babies who want free plus everytime PSN goes down. You know wht i did with the free day everyone got when PSN was down for not even 16 hours? I printed out the email then i wiped my a*! with it and though it out and deleted the email without even useing the code.

Rogueagent01
Rogueagent01
5 years ago

The thing about that is it probably depends on where you live. For instance cable providers in my state legally have to credit a full day if your service is down for four or more hours. It got so bad a few years ago(when they were upgrading the wires) that the newspaper put the full list of laws and rights for both consumer and provider out and it cost the providers a ton of money because people never knew they had those rights. The providers were blatantly abusing their customers in the instance i am referring to.

Don't get me wrong this obviously doesn't apply to yesterday, but it does apply to the one you cited.

shaytoon
shaytoon
5 years ago

i was off yesterday so i was home all day. i played destiny and wrc5 going back n forth between the two.

wrc doesnt require online (it has mp, but i was playing career) didnt notice a single hiccup.

destiny is already plagued by its own animals constantly kicking me out of its servers. i needed to finish the raid before the reset. during the daytime i played IB, by evening I wanted to finish the raid, jumped onto lfg, found a group, finished oryx in about 20min and that was it.

the point of my story? multitask folks. i didnt notice a single issue yesterday thankfully. it was miraculous that i was able to play destiny and beat the raid without having psn or bungie issues.

Crabba
Crabba
5 years ago

I didn't know about it, and wouldn't normally care that much either, but then again I'm also not paying for PS+ or playing online.

Regardless, I still think it's pretty funny that when PSN was free people were saying xbox live was so much better & more stable because it was a paid service. Now PSN has been a paid service for quite some time, and it's hardly any better than it ever was before when it was free.

shaytoon
shaytoon
5 years ago

🙁

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

My uncle is a security systems analyst of some kind. I don't really know his title, but he's worked some pretty impressive contracts with lottery organizations, FBI, government, etc. Point being, he basically hacks through networks to find holes and patch them up or completely rebuild them.

According to him, it's virtually impossible to block every kind of outage or attack on a network because people are too creative. Something like the PSN or XBOX live -WILL- inevitably experience outages, either do to programming error, an attack, or simply higher than expected volume.

The fact is, every now and then, PSN will go down. So does XBOX live, btw. (Big XBOX live outage back on Jan 14th actually. Geographical outages on the 29th, and it was down for 1-2 hours this morning in the early AM)

I think people have a right to be disappointed. That makes sense. But it's unrealistic to say it's a crap service, etc. etc. And it's unrealistic to compare it to an ISP, a completely different beast.

I realize that's easy for me to say since I didn't realize there was an outage until reading this. (I played fine last night) But I agree with most people here that an hour is no big flipping deal. There are so many things I enjoy doing as a pastime or likely SHOULD be doing around the house that an hour is just… nothing. It's nothing! An hour is effing nothing.

I get a mild degree of disappointment. But the all out ire and hatred really does feel ridiculous to me. You don't need to go outside necessarily, but if gaming is such a crutch that you are literally lost if the network is down (you can still play locally, afterall), then yeah… you might need a bit more of a life. And I don't think there's anything wrong with gaming journalists pointing out you absolutely CAN have too much of a good thing…

Personally, I think gaming journalists SHOULD be more responsible in not over-sensationalizing gaming culture. We're the only pastime that loses it's sh!t when we can play with it for an hour on a random day… In an industry that already has huge negative stereotypes associated with it, I would appreciate the community responding a little more level headed to a one hour outage…

shaytoon
shaytoon
5 years ago

thank the entitled children screaming for moar right now.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

What -IS- worth complaining about is the microscopic download speeds PSN and XBOX live limit us to… In this day and age with high speed being the norm and some games these days being 50 gigs large, they really need to open the flood gates a bit more…

Why would we ever want to switch to an all digital age that can't download games at a reasonable clip?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

I'm with you there. I get 100mbps and PSN still slowly leaks games to me. I'm thankful for online rest mode though.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

For sure. I try to make my purchases at the end of a gaming session whenever possible. I won't even go to the PS store until I'm ready for bed.

daus26
daus26
5 years ago

If the hour repeatedly happens to be your few hours of gaming available for the week, I can understand the frustration. If the hour isn't, then of course there's little to complain. We can't judge everybody that simply. Sure people may not handle it well, but the frustration "can" be understandable.

Even if they complain when it affects them little, everybody is entitled to their own life. The little life they have compared to you might be situational not because you're necessarily better as a person. Some are you are saying to beer level headed in handling this stuff, but what about being level headed when we start to judge others, especially the argument of getting a life. No matter the situation, to me, the term "get a life" is very ignorant. There are many better ways to address such issue.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

I don't think it's about people being frustrated, though. It's about people losing their sh!t over it. If you're a "worlds end" kind of person over an hour of downtime, that's where the criticism is pointed. Not at general disappointment.

Not for me, anyways.

Personally, overreaction to the point of lashing out physically or verbally losing your mind deserves criticism that keeps people like that at arms length from allowing my hobby to be viewed the same way they are coming to be viewed. You may not like the term "get a life", but I personally feel like that's a giant step back from what might otherwise be said, like "fu## off".

It's not meant to be a comforting pat on the back. It's meant to be a "stop it" kind of thing.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

All you can do is roll your eyes at such impatience and unreasonableness. There's a snow storm coming so when work is done I'll be inside but whether I cared about going online or not there happen to be tons of games that don't need it.

If you only game online and can't get online for awhile then shrug your shoulders and play a classic or go pet your dog. Gaming is supposed to be fun, not a project in grievance collecting.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

My suggestion for folks who only play online games… if PSN is out, go hang out with your family. If you're flying solo, download Tinder and swipe right a bunch!

shaytoon
shaytoon
5 years ago

tinder, bumble, coffee meets bagel.

go get em son.

but then again, im sure majority of the people complaining were minors.

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