It's big news so I can't really pretend it doesn't exist.

After Sony announced the Final Fantasy VII Remake at E3 earlier this year, many were excited. Then most of us realized that in reality, it would just be an action game featuring FFVII characters.

That's pretty much what you see in the new trailer released during the PlayStation Experience. It shows off some pretty slick cut-scenes along with some gameplay, where Cloud and Barrett take on a few enemies, presumably at the start of the adventure (looks like the start of the game in Midgar, after they get off the train). It might remind you of Final Fantasy XV gameplay ; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the combat mechanics were almost identical.

So anyway, here it is. Previously, I said one way Square Enix could avoid ruining this remake is by simply simply including a turn-based option . Don't see evidence of that here but I suppose you can hold out hope if you like.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy VII Remake

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daus26
daus26
5 years ago

Looking forward to it. Not the best place to say I'm stoked for this, but I sure am.

ethird1
ethird1
5 years ago

People are saying that SquareEnix is not making the FULL FF 7 remake game. They are going to make the game in …… episodes. Sounds like Bungie and Activision all over again with Destiny. If this is true I will never play another SquareEnix game again.

But I did warn you guys that the original game might be too big to make using current technology.

Solid Fantasy
Solid Fantasy
5 years ago

There was a lot more FFVII soul in that than I would have expected. Still no confirmation on the yay or nay turn-based system, but it looked an awfully lot like Crisis Core. What a day it will be when the remake of Final Fantasy VII is in our hands. It's finally happening.

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

Looks great visually. We'll have to see if the action holds up.

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
5 years ago

As Cloud said in the trailer "I'm not interested".

Lone Wanderer
Lone Wanderer
5 years ago

And thus the dream dies with this trailer….

SayWord
SayWord
5 years ago

Long time Final Fantasy fan here. So excited!!!!! Could careless if the gameplay isnt turn-based.

PSTan
PSTan
5 years ago

Be careful, such a statement will receive plenty of backlash here 😉


Last edited by PSTan on 12/5/2015 7:48:29 PM

Hexen
Hexen
5 years ago

Iam a short time Final Fantasy fan and I though it looked pretty solid.I will admit that it looks like a Platinum developed game so I understand were Ben is coming from.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
5 years ago

Nobody around here ever said the remake needed to be turn-based. I said the only way I'd play it is if it had the option, but from a larger standpoint, it should still be an RPG. If it's not role-playing, that would ruin it. Has nothing to do with turn-based or real-time, and I don't really feel like saying this for the hundredth time.

xenris
xenris
5 years ago

@Ben, still, people around here are thumbing down any comment that doesn't say that they hate the combat.

It looks like Crisis core to me, with a bit of KH2 both of which are action RPGs so I think we're okay.

Jawknee
Jawknee
5 years ago

Looks more like Crisis Core or FFXV. Not really like anything platinum has made.

Hexen
Hexen
5 years ago

I did admit im not a long time fan so i can't really argue with the series vets on how it plays.I just though it looked really good,however i would prefer they try to please the hardcore fans cause i sort of understand how it feels to be left out in favor of a broader appeal (looks at DmC).

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

I said it should be, and it basically is, so it's all good.

shadowpal2
shadowpal2
5 years ago

Honestly as far as turn-based RPGs go…we have PERSONA 5.

The world of Final Fantasy is what counts to me – especially for VII so as long as that's there, the characters, the music, and the presentation of the story – it's all good. I believe in Nomura – and most likely the gameplay will be similar to Kingdom Hearts – which isn't bad at all.

So bring on the thumbs down guys as either way I'm gonna have fun w/ BOTH worlds of an action RPG like FFVII and a turn-based one like PERSONA 5.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

If f*ckin Persona 5 every goddang releases!

shadowpal2
shadowpal2
5 years ago

Please man…don't act like ATLUS just takes 10+ years with their games like Square Enix ok? It's been taking them 5 years and it looks ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.

PSTan
PSTan
5 years ago

While it would have been nice to have the option for both turn-based and the new FFXV-like combat, I'm all in for this. Final Fantasy has been evolving, and this game is a REMAKE, not a REMASTER.

I'll withhold judgement until the final product is released, but I like what I see.

Bigimpactpooch
Bigimpactpooch
5 years ago

This combat system is what I was hoping for in the remake.

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
5 years ago

Having a mixture of turn based and real time would have been the safer route similarly to something like Ni No Kuni.

I don't need a crystal ball to predict that this discussion (or should I call it argument?) about the combat will be prevalent in the comments section. There's so much nostalgia surrounding this game that people are passionate about what they believe the game should be like.

One thing is for certain: Square Enix cannot satisfy every single player.


Last edited by MRSUCCESS on 12/5/2015 8:10:51 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

They can't. But I imagine the larger appeal for this franchise is with a newer, younger audience.
When I've looked at comment boards I see roughly two-thirds of posters praising how great the game looks. The other third is from old school fans complaining about the combat.

The better way to go probably would've been making it for the hardcore fans with a dialed back budget. This way the game wouldn't have to change what it is and still pull a profit, even if it was more cheaply produced.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/5/2015 8:36:38 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

Wait. I've been studying the action. It looks like there might be a hybrid system here. Look at the bottom right of the screen. There's a bar building up with every slash or attack that's made. My knee jerk reaction is that this is just a 'super meter' being charged. I notice though it's NOT discharging with a special attack. Instead the meter stays as a blocked out red.
This may be a "turn-window" where each player has a set amount of actions within a time slice.

I would be happy with that actually.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/5/2015 8:44:37 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

and to support this theory the same quadrant of the screen also has a dedicated LIMIT bar (far right corner)
Wouldn't this be the bar that should fill to unleash a powerful attack? So what's the mystery bar that's filling up with each attack? Here's hoping it's a time slice meter.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/5/2015 8:51:13 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

I suppose the Limit bar should only fill when you take damage, but still.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/5/2015 9:19:55 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

Keep looking Temjin, it gets more turn based every time you consider the implications of what is on screen.

Solid Fantasy
Solid Fantasy
5 years ago

Does it really matter what the production cost of this game is? There going to make it back.

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

Don't be so so sure. FF games have been on a downward spiral in popularity. And S-E can't bank on the oldschool fans being there to help them out this time either. They've tapped out their faith. Bare in mind, most critics are probably old enough to remember FFVII so they may not be kind to the changes.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/5/2015 9:22:19 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

It'll be a matter of whether or not the people called for the remake show up to buy it. If they don't then that's probably Square Enix fault.

bebestorm
bebestorm
5 years ago

Awesome surprise game looks fantastic!I did not expect to see actual footage so soon kudos to Square .. I do like that SE didn't go super realistic with characters!

As for gameplay Im not bothered by the action style personally I expected it since Nomura is the director.

bebestorm
bebestorm
5 years ago

I forgot to add I do enjoy turnbased games! The last really good turnbased rpg I played was Lost Odyssey!

Temjin001
Temjin001
5 years ago

If only that damned Lost Odyssey would somehow come PS Vita.

trumpetmon65
trumpetmon65
5 years ago

I'm intrigued. If it's anything like a beefed up version of crisis core (a well received action square game) then I think I can get on board with this. I do wonder how other parts of the game might be fleshed out. Will it still have a ton of secret locations? How will materia fit in? How will summons fit in? Is knights of the round going to be just as long a summon as it was? Will there still be an abundance of mini games? Then there's the question of how big the locals will be.

One thing that I really do like is that there is already gameplay and real time movement so close to the first reveal trailer. Remember. Square only had missteps with XIII, made a solid XIII-2 and XIII-3 was their only real dud besides the now fixed and oft played FFIV. Don't count them out. Revolutionizing their game is what they've always been about so lets not get so mad when they try to do it.

trumpetmon65
trumpetmon65
5 years ago

I know I know. TLDR

SaiyanSenpai
SaiyanSenpai
5 years ago

An action game. I figured as much, but actually seeing it was still such a disappointment. The dream is dead.

Damn you Square Enix, you mother%#&[email protected]!!

I'm voting with my wallet. Not getting this game. If the reviews are glowing, I'll consider it when the price drops dramatically. Not getting FFXV either. Just no longer interested in SquareEnix's "JRPGs."

Go #^$% yourself, SE.


Last edited by SaiyanSenpai on 12/5/2015 9:28:08 PM

ethird1
ethird1
5 years ago

I agree with Buttka. They need to add a turn based alternative to this game. I am afraid it will not happen. But then again, how amazing are the summons going to be? 🙂

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

They could just add an ATB between character swaps. Then it's almost entirely the same game.

Bio
Bio
5 years ago

Graphics look good, gameplay looks kinda dumb, but hey, they've got 7-8 years to fix that.

Draguss
Draguss
5 years ago

I can't help but wonder about that little bar in the corner.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

and whos in there

Voyager236
Voyager236
5 years ago

There's no more place for turn based system, Ben. Forget it. You live on the past.

Even developers said that turn-based system was created because of the lack of technology. Now, it is not necessary anymore.

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

I agree it may have been used because it was all that could be done, but you're ignoring the possibility that they inadvertently created something that people might love.

It might not fit FFVII remake well, but it has served games like Bravely Default, Valkyria Chronicles, or Ni No Kuni quite well. And while the latter may be a hybrid of sorts, it's still built upon a turnbased foundation.

My point being that while I agree the frequency of turnbased games must decline with the technology we have, I don't see any evidence it doesn't have a place somewhere in the industry.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 12/6/2015 2:05:50 AM

Voyager236
Voyager236
5 years ago

Bravely Default – Portable game
Valkyria Chronicles – Strategy, similar to FF Tactics and Disgaea and not turn based system
Ni no Kuni – irrelevant sales

Produce games cost money. How many dollars do you think will be invested to produce FFVII remake? Do you really think that a turn based system will sell this game to be profitable? I say no.


Last edited by Voyager236 on 12/6/2015 11:54:46 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

It isn't the mechanic that sells the game, it's the quality of experience.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
5 years ago

Read my comment above and then shut up.

Voyager236
Voyager236
5 years ago

Mechanics influence a lot and turn based system is relegated nowadays only to nostalgic gamers.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

Persona isn't nostalgic it's very "here and now"

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

You actually ignored the point I was making (surmised in my final short paragraph), but whatever.

(And 1.5 million sales for the first major console entry isn't bad at all… In fact, it outsells Lightning Returns by 50%…)


Last edited by Underdog15 on 12/7/2015 10:53:10 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
5 years ago

I've watched it about 2-3 dozen times now trying to pick up what all the meters mean. It's also worth noting that the trailer doesn't show much other than attack and a special. Which I guess makes sense since that clip is clearly from the start of the game.

But in short, it's basically exactly what I was expecting. I'm not looking for a replacement to the original. I'm looking for a labour of love to honour it. And this looks like it will be, so far.

Goosebumps. And I can't wait.

Jawknee
Jawknee
5 years ago

Yea it looks a lot better than I was expecting. I was fearful they would ruin this. I was certain they would. But I was wrong. It's worth giving it a chance.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
5 years ago

and you can bet all the old commands are hidden away in those menus, just like a real JRPG 🙂