I remember it like it was yesterday:

"How the fu** can you not love this game?! It's only one of the best games ever made!"

So said one of my best friends back in the day, in reference to Command & Conquer . I could only shrug my shoulders and reply, "Dunno. Just not my thing." And before that friend could launch into a point-by-point analysis that explains precisely why C&C is one of the best ever, I was quick to clarify: "I know it's great. I'd never deny that."

To this day, I have never understood many a gamer's obvious reluctance to call a game great just because it isn't his or her cup of tea. Quality is not reliant upon your personal tastes, no matter what the medium. If something is good, it's good; whether or not you like it is completely subjective and as a result, completely irrelevant. Of course, there's nothing 100 percent objective about evaluating any art form but let's face it, only an idiot would call C&C crap just because he didn't like it. You can hate "Middlemarch" all you want; doesn't stop it from being a masterpiece.

I suppose the same can be said for Fallout 4 . Over the past week or so, I've been pushing myself to get farther and farther, to discover more of the world and the story so I can reach a point where I'd feel comfortable writing an accurate review. And unfortunately, that's the correct word to use: Pushing. There are times when I'm just intensely bored, and other times when I wander around in what can only be described as mild indifference. The bottom line is that this environment and this style of play doesn't do it for me.

It really is a stark difference when compared to character- or story-driven open-world experiences, like Assassin's Creed or Grand Theft Auto or even The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt . And as much as I try, I just can't love it. I tell myself time and time again that it's a fantastic game but sadly, it's simply not clicking.

Has this ever happened to you?

Related Game(s): Fallout 4

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bebestorm
bebestorm
6 years ago

I can definitely relate after playing Skyrim I decided not to buy games that are more focused on exploring the world than actual story or character driven. Right now The Witcher 3 is my favorite this gen.

When Fallout 4 was announced I was not moved by the trailer. I hope those who play F4 love it.

AMERICANSHEEPLE
AMERICANSHEEPLE
6 years ago

For me it was Dishonored. I tried to love it, then I tried to just like it, but it wasn't my cup of tea. I was actually kinda mad at you because I purchased the game after reading your review. Dishonored, still to this day is the only game that you've reviewed that I've completely disagreed on. I knew that it was a great game, but I just couldn't get into it for the life of me.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
6 years ago

Then you didn't disagree with the review. You just didn't like the game. 😉

AMERICANSHEEPLE
AMERICANSHEEPLE
6 years ago

Indeed, but in order for me to rationalize not liking the game, I have to tell myself that I disagree with your review. Even if it was spot on.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
6 years ago

I was going to write a post about Dishonored, but then I looked back at the article and what I had to say just doesn't fit. That's because I just think it was a terrible game. I know people like it, I just don't get why. I feel like it released at a time when the industry needed something different and it fit into that mold and was well received. Maybe I'm way off, and I'm fine with that, but it's one of a very small list of games I just couldn't play. From the graphics to the controls, to the story telling, I just couldn't handle even turning it on to play.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/11/2015 5:05:45 PM

big6
big6
6 years ago

Late to the post, but I just had to get it in there…
I totally agree with American Sheeple.. I bought it after so many glowing reviews of it, tried to love it, tried to even like it, but didn't click.

Needless to say, I have less than zero interest in Dishonored 2.

xenris
xenris
6 years ago

Thats interesting I had not much interest in Dishonored, then I got it on steam for like 2 bucks, put it in the hardest mode and fell in love with it.

I think Dishonored is a brilliant game, in design, and freedom, while also maintaining a nice narrative and atmosphere.

vatoloco47
vatoloco47
6 years ago

I get what you mean i haven't played any of the Fallout games but from what iv seen from game play videos it still doesn't catch my eye. And i like open world FPS games like FarCry. Maybe il wait till its really cheap to give it a go eventually.

FM23
FM23
6 years ago

Hey bro, Mass Effect isn't your cup of tea either. Ouch! Two great franchises lost on you, DAMN MAN…SNAP out of it!!!! Haha

I think a game many loved that I hated was Halo.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
6 years ago

Another thematic problem. Don't like sci-fi (usually).

Razov
Razov
6 years ago

Oh man i totally understand what you mean. I played skyrim, for all of 3 hours. And i jsut couldn't get into it… at all. Same with new vegas. Neither of those games could hold my attention. Mass Effect tho, i loved. Played it non stop for ages. Then again witcher series 1-3. Nope. My taste varies to extremes. But things like Saints row and GTA i like. So.. yeah.

Even Dragon age i enjoyed. but FO series and Skyrim. Nope. The last game made by them i played in its entirety was daggerfall like 10 years ago for kicks.

Advent Child
Advent Child
6 years ago

It took me 3 years just to play through the story missions of Fallout 4 because I kept getting so bored I would shelve it for months and months at a time.

frostface
frostface
6 years ago

I had it with Fallout 3. I was just trying to get into RPG's and everyone recommended it so I picked it up and struggled. I must have started and quit that game 5 or 6 times over a year or so. I moved onto Dragons Age Origins, then Demons Soul's and finally came full circle back to Fallout 3. Having finally figured out how RPG's work and having gotten hooked on the former mentioned games, I booted up Fallout 3 again and this time it was love. I've since beaten the game about 3 times, loved Fallout NV, and lost hours last night to Fallout 4 just doing other stuff. I'm actually typing this on the bus to work and I'm running late. F U Fallout 4 lol

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

Glad to see you came around to FO3, it takes a niche eye to see the genius.

Jalex
Jalex
6 years ago

I haven't enjoyed the 'Super Mario' games since 'Sunshine', in all honesty. Maybe it was me who changed, and I don't deny that Nintendo's first-party catalog is quality, but they just don't do anything for me anymore. Even 'The Legend of Zelda' has lost me after 'Twilight Princess.'

The 'Resident Evil' series is definitely a quality one, overall, but I've yet to play an installment that totally gripped me. Not even '4.'

'Halo' as well. I thought the first three were high-quality, but still not the kind of games which I would be quick to replay.

So, Ben, would you say there was any difference in your reaction to 'Fallout 4' compared to '3'? Enjoyed it a little more, a little less, or about the same? I'll wait for your review to see what you think about its technical merit, but hopefully you're willing to answer that.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
6 years ago

It's about the same. I might enjoy it a little more because there's a bit more to do, but it feels very much the same to me.

dillonthebunny
dillonthebunny
6 years ago

Between f3 and nv I've spent over 900 hours on those games, I can't get more. Freedom in a game has never come close to eso or fallout.

There are games that I find boring, but if I was to review them then I would put my personal feeling aside and review the work, the goal and the result. Personally I think f4 is beyond awesome.

Also it's worth noting that digital foundry have reported that their tests have shown the ps4 version to run better than the Xbox version, unlike the reports that have bled out over the last few days.

bldudas1
bldudas1
6 years ago

I just can't understand the appeal of Red Dead Redemption and Fallout 3. I really liked New Vegas and the first Fallout. Fallout 3 doesn't seem Fallout enough to me, neither does 4. It seems like a post apocalyptic shooter.

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
6 years ago

MGS V: Phantom Pain for me. I tried to like it. Hell i even forced my self to play it but i just cant. And before anyone asks yes i did make it pass the prologe and the 1st chapter. Im sorry but i just dont get the love the game gets.

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
6 years ago

Don't worry it'll still receive more game of the year awards than Assassin's Creed.

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
6 years ago

At least Assassin Creed this year doesn't have as many bugs as Fallout 4 has or the bugs and glitches that was reported in phantom pain 😮

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
6 years ago

YET Ben rated Assassins Creed Syndicate a 9.0 😉


Last edited by TrueAssassin86x on 11/11/2015 8:38:49 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

yup Phantom pain was a pain no matter how I approached the battle.

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
6 years ago

That's great that Ben's score for Syndicate is higher than MGS5's but based on metacritic MGS5 has an overall average of 93 while Syndicate has an average of 77. Not to mention that Syndicate is the second worst selling in that franchise.

Any way you slice it, MGS5 is the better game.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
6 years ago

Uh…I gave MGSV a 9.4.

MRSUCCESS
MRSUCCESS
6 years ago

@Ben – Sorry, I didn't go to the review to see what you gave it. I did read the review back in September but since I'm at work, I was pressed for time.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

Please no spoils I still have work before I can play and I like to check this site.

For me it was the Witcher 3. Granted the quality I think I have it an 8.8 but that space seems like a big waste and the missions merely droll. Had much more fun with Risen 3 and Arcania Complete (the low budget but more focused alternatives).

I'm hoping to get FO4 and a PS4 for my BFF when he gets out of prison cuz he needs a digital life now that the government took away his real life but he has a dent in his head that tells hims $400 is better spent on a tire than a video game that last forever even though he played skyrim for years and doesn't even like fantasy.

GMRX
GMRX
6 years ago

Red Dead Redemption bored me silly. I didn't get the hype at all. Yeah, the mechanics were fun for a short while, capturing people and sticking them onto the train tracks, being an outlaw.

Then it quickly went from a little bit fun to boring and every mission was a chore. GTA4 was like that. Whereas GTA5 was so much fun.

Dragon Age Origins was fun for a while, but I got stuck on one mission and got bored, haven't played it since, Dragon's Dogma I got addicted to though.

Loved ME2, that was addictive, but something about ME3 didn't grab me, that coupled with news about the ending made me not bother with it, I didn't even get midway into it.

Fallout 3 initially didn't grab me, played it again being a villain and fell in love with it, got addicted. Started liking New Vegas, got bored of it and never completed. Skyrim again I got bored of on PS3 and never completed. I do have it on PC though and for some reason it's so much fun on PC. Mods coupled with command console make for some amusing moments. I bought Fallout 4 for PC instead, I'll have more fun and longevity on PC than I will on PS4 .

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

If you are a girl I propose marriage, if you are a guy I propose a lemonade.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
6 years ago

For me there are two games that I wasted money on.

Assassin's Creed. I bought three of them, and I gave it my all as I tried to like the games. I could never connect with the stories nor the gameplay three times.

Red Dead Redemption. Loved the concept and setting immensely but yet I never cared about the characters and quit playing after a few hours.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
6 years ago

My favorite part of RDR was the characters. It felt the time period. Marston is still one of my favorite characters in a game.

With that said, it's a game that is risky because of th time period. Aside from theoretically being popular to GTA fans because of the familiar gameplay, it's entirely different. So not being able to get into, I totally understand.

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

It's not just Fallout Ben, but you seem not so into most big game franchises (or big games) as of late.
MGSV, Batman, Elder Scrolls, Bloodborne (or anything Souls), Mass Effect, Street Fighter, Battlefront, Destiny, and anything RTS or MMORPG. Fallout is just the tip of the ice berg.

edit: for me it's Need for Speed. I just don't like the image and vibe I feel from much of their stuff. The whole vigilante, breaking the law, style over substance approach. And the franchise rarely ever can lock down their frame rate to something consistent.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/11/2015 10:59:57 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
6 years ago

I don't think ben can entertain himself in certain spaces and needs dramatic direction. I'm the same way, but the Fallout space just happens to be somewhere I'd like to be in real life.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
6 years ago

The Witcher 3 is my favorite game of the year, and Syndicate is right up there. Both are "big" games, yes?

I also really got into Skyrim for a little while and Batman was great. I loved MGSV, too.

I've never liked fighters, MMOs, or RTS but that's pretty much it; I enjoy just about every other genre in existence, so I don't quite understand the comment.

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

Ben, it just seemed to me that AC and Witcher were the only big games you've really glowed about over the last year or so. Where during your week in review you speak of playing such games. Witcher has been out for quite a while now. Whereas games like Batman it seemed you were over and done with as soon as the review was posted. I suppose if I had an obligation to play a ton of games for review each year I'd probably only love a handful myself, feeling calloused to most releases.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
6 years ago

I also don't play as much as I used to. So, when I do, it's only games I really like. And most "big" games are all starting to seem similar to me; the days of clearly defined genres are gone so most big-budget productions have elements of all genres. I miss when there was clearly defined stealth, RPG, adventure, platformer, etc.

This just seems like one big mishmash, where every new production feels a lot like the last one.

xenris
xenris
6 years ago

Funny I am having the exact same feelings with MGS5.

Its crazy because I love MGS games but the loss of focus on story with MGS really bugs me and the gameplay is great but the game feels full of filler.

I just can't get into it as much as I want to.

Oxvial
Oxvial
6 years ago

The story missions feel like the side ones and the meh bosses made me remember Peace Walker, a game that I forced myself to complete, sucks Kojima repeated that formula.

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

I think MGSV is great but there's a few major things wrong with it. I'm on episode 19 and have done a number of side-ops where that in itself has been enough time to complete any previous MGS game.

MGS has always been laden with dramatic events through and through. Whether it's dialogue exchanges with bosses or set piece moments custom engineered for the storyline, these things are too thinly implemented for an MGS game here.

Too much of the game follows an infiltration template of dropping in, gathering surveillance, executing your objective, and then fleeing to your chopper. Yea, at times there's variance but it's always an exception to the norm. Yea, I suppose there's the whole motherbase building and dispatching troops on missions for resources. But really, that's been the norm of another franchise for years, namely Assassin's Creed.

I know people can say what I listed aren't faults because it's not shackled to the formula of it's past. But lets consider something here. MGSV would not have sold 5 million units under any other name, especially one branded as a stealth action game. MGS has created an identity for itself that sets an expectation where the MAJORITY of gamers are going to expect a certain formula from it.

Anyway. Yes. it's great and I intend to play more but I think I wouldn't be surprised to find that most series' fans who played MGSV walked away feeling some emptiness in more places than one. Maybe so much so that when MGS6 rolls around they'll think twice about jumping for it (kojima or not). MGSV makes me wish Kojima would make a best of both worlds approach for a future MGS for the ultimate all around experience. Right now, the series aces are in different places.

The last stealth action game I played prior to MGSV was Splinter Cell Blacklist. There's a whole lot about that game I liked. While it gave R&D style development of gear from your flying base, the game's pacing, tension, and locations were much more varied and the story frequently amplified the purpose of your actions.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/11/2015 8:03:04 PM

Oxvial
Oxvial
6 years ago

Well said Tem and maybe it looks like I ''hate'' the game on my post but quite the contrary I enjoy to play it a lot, best gameplay in the series so far!, it's just the story and bosses , that don't have any ounce of the epicness the past MGS games had 🙁

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

Thanks. (POSSIBLE SPOILERS ahead) The optional Quiet boss-like part was satisfying. If there were only more events like that. I was pleased to stop her and watch the lengthier scenes about her integrating with us.

Additionally the big robot chase part was pretty exciting, if at least wacky. But I liked it.

There was then this part with these Skulls who jump out of truck to protect it around episode 16. That was flat and lifeless.
In like 20+ hours that's all the bosses I've encountered.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/11/2015 9:25:51 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
6 years ago

btw. I just beat episode 20 in MGSV and it had a cooler type of boss sequence/mission.

I read somewhere the core story line goes for 30 episodes. Afterwhich there's like 20 extra episodes.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/12/2015 12:25:41 AM

Oxvial
Oxvial
6 years ago

Ah yes, my brother trolled me saying I'm almost going to beat the game (I'm on mission 26.. or 28 I forgot the number :p, I'm using my playtime with Fallout 4 atm), but after search a bit I found too that thing about the extra story episodes thing.


Last edited by Oxvial on 11/12/2015 1:09:06 AM

xenris
xenris
6 years ago

I agree with both of you. To be honest, it doesn't feel like a Metal Gear game. Snake doesn't even talk half the time, so I don't know why Hayter had to be replaced. The bosses are the weakest in a numbered entry.

To top it all off a lot of stuff feels recycled, I'm sorry but I don't care about upgrading mother base, there are some cool things that happen there but seriously it felt like something from a mobile game, a useless time sync.

I also felt that for how fast and responsive the combat was there were really poorly designed and slow other things. For example, every mission playing out like an episode of a TV show, it just wasted so much time, it took too long to get in and out of your chopper, half the missions forced you to run 1000m to your destination, there are no tightly designed interior levels and my list goes on and on.

I beat MGS4 3 times the first time savoring the story and attention to detail. There are hints of Kojimas mark in this game but I honestly think he didn't design much of this game.

My theory is he worked on maybe half of it, then Konami wanted to fire him and kicked him off the team because he wanted more money, so he took a back seat position or maybe had no position at all.

They took his name off the game because he contributed so little to the games development but then realized it would sell more if it was branded a Kojima game, so they put it back on. Also the fans freaked out.

I think this game is literally a shell of what it should have been. The open world feels lifeless, enemy patterns are boring and predictable, and very little feels hand crafted in the open world.

This game has left me with phantom pain >.<

Oxvial
Oxvial
6 years ago

Tomb Raider, dunno I just never cared much about Lara and all her games even the new ones, so I'm in a total different situation than the one Ben has who is jealous with X-Bone owners for that new Tomb Raider game and can't bring himself to enjoy fallout 4 (I'm having a blast with it).

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
2 years ago

It&#39s about the same. I might enjoy it a little more because there&#39s a bit more to do, but it feels very much the same to me.

xenris
xenris
2 years ago

Thats interesting I had not much interest in Dishonored, then I got it on steam for like 2 bucks, put it in the hardest mode and fell in love with it.

I think Dishonored is a brilliant game, in design, and freedom, while also maintaining a nice narrative and atmosphere.

frostface
frostface
2 years ago

I had it with Fallout 3. I was just trying to get into RPG&#39s and everyone recommended it so I picked it up and struggled. I must have started and quit that game 5 or 6 times over a year or so. I moved onto Dragons Age Origins, then Demons Soul&#39s and finally came full circle back to Fallout 3. Having finally figured out how RPG&#39s work and having gotten hooked on the former mentioned games, I booted up Fallout 3 again and this time it was love. I&#39ve since beaten the game about 3 times, loved Fallout NV, and lost hours last night to Fallout 4 just doing other stuff. I&#39m actually typing this on the bus to work and I&#39m running late. F U Fallout 4 lol

Razov
Razov
2 years ago

Oh man i totally understand what you mean. I played skyrim, for all of 3 hours. And i jsut couldn&#39t get into it… at all. Same with new vegas. Neither of those games could hold my attention. Mass Effect tho, i loved. Played it non stop for ages. Then again witcher series 1-3. Nope. My taste varies to extremes. But things like Saints row and GTA i like. So.. yeah.

Even Dragon age i enjoyed. but FO series and Skyrim. Nope. The last game made by them i played in its entirety was daggerfall like 10 years ago for kicks.

TrueAssassin86x
TrueAssassin86x
2 years ago

MGS V: Phantom Pain for me. I tried to like it. Hell i even forced my self to play it but i just cant. And before anyone asks yes i did make it pass the prologe and the 1st chapter. Im sorry but i just dont get the love the game gets.