Things are changing in the video game industry, like it or not.

The question is, how much longer will we have the traditional gaming console? Analysts, journalists, industry executives, developers and gamers have all weighed in with their opinions, and now it's David Jaffe's turn .

The God of War creator says that in 10 years (or "probably sooner"), consoles are gone. This means that the next generation of hardware will be the last round of consoles and, as Jaffe said confidently, "they should be." But don't get all up in arms just yet; it's not like it's the end of the world. We'll still get all our favorite games. Said Jaffe:

"It doesn't mean you won't buy a piece of hardware from Sony, but you'll probably buy a television that streams the stuff. And you'll still have Sony, loud and proud and strong making these great, big, epic games like God of War and Uncharted, and they'll be making great little games like Sound Shapes, but they'll become more like movie studios for video games. I'll be able to stream in the next Uncharted and Plants vs Zombies and you won't even think about it. It'll just be like I can watch a public access show on my TV or I can watch Avatar.

So this is the last generation of consoles coming up. I'm going to go out on a limb, because why the f**k not? I don't care if I'm wrong, I'm not a business guy. I think next-gen consoles are going to do 40 percent of [the sales volume] of the current gen hardware. "

If the next generation of consoles is indeed the last, it will certainly be the end of an era. We'll just have to accept this new "delivery system," which will presumably become the standard method of giving us our awesome interactive experiences.  I can live with that, I suppose.

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LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

I don't agree at all. There is no way the next generation of consoles will be the last. I don't know about you guys but I'd never want my TV to do everything. TVs break down and I'd hate to lose out on all my current stuff because of a TV failing on me.

Streaming if here to stay but I don't see it taking over physical media in the sense that hardware goes away.

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

I don't think it would matter if you're TV broke or not. If we do go this route, the TV will just be a vessel, and your "Console" that you'll probably be paying for on a monthly basis, will be a sort of cloud service which you can stream to whichever device you log into.

I also imagine we will have more cross platforming…Play a game on your TV at home, keep playing on your cell phone as you walk over to a buddies place where you log into his tv and keep going.For that matter your phone or tablet may even be the controller..All of your save game info will be kept on a server somewhere so you don't need to worry about leaving a game on someone else "system".

comicozi
comicozi
8 years ago

@lv

agree would also like to add that many ppl out there dont have access to stream, for what ever reason and will slowly decrease over time but there will still prob. be alot of ppl without streaming access 10 yrs from now.


Last edited by comicozi on 6/13/2012 9:41:47 PM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

@CH1N00K
You smarty pants.


Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 6/13/2012 9:44:17 PM

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
8 years ago

Was just about to say that. We take for granted being able to get on broadband internet, but that's not the case for most of the world. Game companies would be shooting themselves in the foot by alienating so many gamers who just don't have the bandwidth to stream a massive game. Hell, gamers in Canada alone would all but disappear, since no internet company up here offers unlimited bandwidth (usually capped around 20-40 gigs).

Some day, sure, I'd wager we'll see all streaming. But it won't be the next generation. And likely, it won't be the one after that. Not until broadband is ubiquitous.

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

@LV

I are is smrt sum days…I'ze can read dem fancy books without pictures in them…

lol, That and I haven't seen highlander yet so I figured I would put in my dumbed down peasant version before someone who knows a lot more about the subject came along and ruined my moment..:P

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Gaming on tablets doesn't work. Touch controls suck balls.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

Ya I agree World. I have a ton of games on my Droid and never play any of them. I thought it was really neat when I found and emulator to play NES, Genesis, PS1, etc but found out it's impossible to enjoy any of the games due to touch controls.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

I bought Duke Nukem 3D to relive some memories, and it's bad enough trying to use the touch controls but whoever the f*ck did the port doesn't even let you invert the Y axis!

PSN French
PSN French
8 years ago

I agree with Jaffe!! If you take the major investors into account, the American economy will crash again, and consumers will have less money to spend… physical media may become too much of a burden to handle for smaller companies. We are already seeing the larger companies taking big hits to stay competitive… there is only ONE answer to keep gaming profitable and I see this happeing in the NEXT-GEN and NOT the following.


Last edited by PSN French on 6/14/2012 2:35:14 AM

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

I don't know if they'll be the last consoles, but it is definitely the way the industry is going. And he does have a point with TV's since you can already get internet ready TV's, now. How much of a stretch is it to get streaming online Console TV's?

The sad thing about this, is that it is nice to have a collection on the shelf to look at, but I'm finding that after the amount of games I've purchased over the last 15-20 years, I am starting to run out of room and places to put things, and all the old ones I don't play any more end up in a box in the attic until they're worth something anyways.

The digital console is coming, but it doesn't mean we have to like it…lol

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
8 years ago

What I hate most is to be 100% dependent on the provider. If I had the money, power and a crazy ninja team, I would get rid of all the vaporware top brass supporters and give the freedom back to the people!

tes37
tes37
8 years ago

I don't agree with David Jaffe and I hope Sony doesn't either. If Sony makes a PS5, I will own it.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

HD video game streaming service? No thanks. Terrible idea.

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

I agree with you, for right now…but what will you say when there is no longer the option?

With the "green" initiative being pushed more in every major government, the pressure to cut down on packaged products where we can is going to be come more and more of an issue. As soon as someone in the right place figures out that if everyone owned just one TV instead of a whole living room full of electronics for entertainment, you know they're going to put pressure on the companies to cut down…and you can bet that video game consoles will disappear before surround sound does…

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

They day I am forced to rely on streaming services to play video games because of the eco-fascists in the "green movement" is the day I give up playing new games.

The free market allows us to vote with our wallets and I won't be voting to give game companies more power over my purchases.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Jawknee if you have to stream games it will be because of big business cutting costs, not environmentalists.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

Either way I won't be playing new games if the market goes in that direction.

Btw, I'm not worried that the Eco-fascists will force game companies to follow them back to the dark ages, I was just reaponding to CH1Nook's prediction. 😉

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

Environmentalists may have been the wrong example, but I was just using it as an example. Big business is another one, There will be lots of things working together, but You can pretty much guarantee that the console will disappear eventually, I just don't think it's as soon as Jaffe thinks it will be.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
8 years ago

Jawknee,
Agreed!

I also have a OnLive game streaming min-console in my collection.
And their requirements states that I only need a 5Mbs D/L minimum to play.

But nope…..my DSL is 7Mbs & I still can't even get into the Onlive site more than 2 times a month out of trying every single day.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

Well, no one knows what the future holds. I just don't think console makers will ever stop making hardware. That's like predicting Apple will stop making iPhone's because one day it might/could be streamed to our brains. It's just a silly prediction in my opinion.

No offense of course. 🙂

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

I think you need at the least to have broadband internet in the hands of the greater majority of gamers before it's time to think about killing hardware. That alone is very far off, not to mention what would be needed to stream games that are generations ahead of what we have now.

tes37
tes37
8 years ago

They could be planning to get rid of all the people that don't have broadband. :O

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

No offense taken, that's the beauty of discussion.. 😀

And I'm not saying that they are going to completely get rid of hardware, they are just going to integrate it into other hardware.

That being said though, except for very few companies….there is no money in hardware. Companies in the hardware market most times sell their new hardware at a loss, but make a killing on the software.. Ask the guys at Atari, Sega or IBM about why they all do software now. Sony sold the PS3 at a loss for the first few years before they started turning a profit on it, yet they are still going? That's all software sales….. How did MS get started? They didn't make computers…..

If you're a company and you can find a way to take the biggest money sucker out of the equations…you've just created a license to print money


Last edited by CH1N00K on 6/14/2012 1:31:35 AM

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

No offense taken, that's the beauty of discussion.. 😀

And I'm not saying that they are going to completely get rid of hardware, they are just going to integrate it into other hardware.

That being said though, except for very few companies….there is no money in hardware. Companies in the hardware market most times sell their new hardware at a loss, but make a killing on the software.. Ask the guys at Atari, Sega or IBM about why they all do software now. Sony sold the PS3 at a loss for the first few years before they started turning a profit on it, yet they are still going? That's all software sales….. How did MS get started? They didn't make computers…..

If you're a company and you can find a way to take the biggest money sucker out of the equations…you've just created a license to print money

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
8 years ago

And like I said, I think Jaffe is off by how soon this will happen, but try and think how fast Internet connections will be in 10-15 years from now…..

Kiryu
Kiryu
8 years ago

after seeing the last of us I dont know if we need another console generation.If devs invest time specifically on the ps3 they can make any game they want.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

Meh…there was a time I thought FFX was the greatest looking game out there…now look at where we are.

daus26
daus26
8 years ago

Yeah, we can definitely go at least one more generation for power. I suspect it'll go as far as Disney Pixar movies. We've yet to see anything close to that other than Luminous Studio engine from SE.

Corvo
Corvo
8 years ago

If the ps4 was the last then i would be fine hell, id be ok with my ps3 being the last. I really, really love my ps3 i have never spent so much time playing one system. Last gen i played my gamecube, xbox, and ps2 equally. As this gen came around i started on 360 (friends) and then bought a wii (zelda, metroid prime 3) and finally my ps3. My 360 quickly gathered dust as gears and halo got boring…fast. Then fable didn't grab my attention at all. My wii well… i rage so much at the damn controlls. My ps3 still has games i play daily and honestly if i had the ps3 for another 5 years i would be beyond content. Thats just my opinion but as far as the article goes, gamers will never allow their beloved consoles die. Xbox wont just vanish into the night. Wii wont just walk away hitching a ride to the next gen, and the playstation wont abandon what its done since 1994-5? Anyway i hope it doesn't happen.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

I wouldn't be fine with any console being the last because that means they will stop making games for it eventually. You can only replay the same games so many times.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Sorry but Jaffe keeps showing that he's out of touch. Even after the next generation is toast I still don't think there will be enough people with always-on internet to support growing numbers of gamers. You would cut out a huge market this way not to mention physical media gamers and older gamers. I think we will still be in a transition stage at that time where there is physical and digital content available.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

I love God of War and Twisted Metal but Jaffe seems to come up with one bad idea after another this gen.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

He also thinks story has no place in gaming.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

Yup, that was just one of the many claims he's made that has started him down the path of irrelevance.

daus26
daus26
8 years ago

I think he is one of the folks that are buying into social, facebook games, as being the future.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

I just read a report that Facebook games have peaked and are starting to slip fast.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
8 years ago

Even nowadays you need to have an internet connection because there always has to be a "required update" for every single new game that comes out.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
8 years ago

I honestly like David Jaffe. He came up with God of War and Twisted Metal, and he just says what he has in mind without trying to please everyone.

That said, he tweeted yesterday (or maybe the day before) that people should game browser games a chance. That may be fair, but he cannot really blame hardcore gamers for being leery of browser games. I mean, it's in a freaking browser!

And maybe I'm just mistaken, but aren't browser games synonymous to social stuff? I have Facebook and Twitter, but I do not really use them for gaming. Neither do I intend to. I have them only to connect with people I know. But when I want to play a game, I'd stick to my dedicated console or portable any time. Maybe a full-pledged PC game,but not one that requires me to play on a browser.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

"Even nowadays you need to have an internet connection because there always has to be a "required update" for every single new game that comes out."

This is false. Most games will still run without updates unless it's required for playing online in which case you will already have a connection. My friend hasn't had a home Internet connection in years, yet he's stil able to play all the latest(offline modes)games without updating them.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
8 years ago

That's correct. The game would not even know that there's an update available if it has no means of connecting to the internet.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

I gave browser games a chance, they sucked.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
8 years ago

I've already spent almost the entire day downloading Infamous 2 as part of the free games given to PS+ subscribers. Am I willing to wait that long to play a highly-anticipated game? Absolutely not! I'd rather step into a store, buy a physical copy of the game, go back home and enjoy my new game in minutes! So while this is generally the direction the industry is headed, it's still not applicable to everybody.

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

No kidding. I downloaded inFamous 2, R&C All4One and LBP2 just to have them on my drive and it ate up nearly 40gb of my allotted monthly bandwidth as well as 40gb on my hard drive, not to mention it took 15 hours to download.

Game companies are kidding themselves if they think consumers, not to mention ISP's are going to go for an all digital market.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

What is your connection speed? I pay $35 for 20MB and I've never had an issue with long download times.

daus26
daus26
8 years ago

Cloud gaming? I'm not saying I want physical media to go away, but I think cloud gaming would resolve all the hdd and downloading problems. Of course, there's the problem on not being able to play games offline. *sigh*

Jawknee
Jawknee
8 years ago

@LV, I get "up to" 20mbps but it still seems slower most days. It's certainly faster downloading from PSN than it was 2 years ago but it's still slower than I would like.

@deus, can't play games offline AND streaming might solve the HDD space and long download times but it doesn't solve the devouring of monthly bandwidth. I'm only allowed 250gb per month with my ISP and I almost go over every month between downloading music, movies, PSN/eShop games and streaming video. Also much of the time the streaming video quality isn't be in HD like its advertised due to connection hiccups and/or crowed usage times. I highly doubt they would be able to stream HD games in full HD anytime soon.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
8 years ago

@LV: I'm on a shabby DSL connection topping at 3mbps. You see, over where I'm at (the Philippines), that's already considered a pretty good connection. Which brings us to another concern with the downloadable format. It's not for everyone. How much of the world has access to very fast, unthrottled, and unlimited internet access? I'm lucky enough not to be limited with how much I download a month, but I know ISPs that impose such restrictions on their customers.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

@Philippines

I'm glad there is the internet to bring us together. I'm sorry to hear you're only using 3MB currently. My parents are on 1.5 DSL and they've been grandfathered into their contract because they're one of a few that has never wanted an upgrade in service.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
8 years ago

Indeed, LV. Higher DSL speeds are now starting to be available over here. I actually just checked my ISP's site and they now ave a 15MB plan available. However, they're charging 150 USD per month for that!