Oh, this holiday season is going to be absolutely epic .

I really can't remember the last time two direct competitors in the video game market released a console in the same year (possibly even in the same month, as could be the case with the PS4 and Xbox One). The new generation is gonna get started with a big ol' bang.

And I'm not here to tell you which system to buy. I'm not going to proclaim the PS4 to be superior just because I write for a PlayStation-oriented website. I'm just interested in seeing the insane console wars that are going to ignite after today. I'm tempted to just sit back with some popcorn for the rest of the year and watch the drama unfold. Adolescent, petty, biased, hostile; sure, it'll be all those things. And unfortunately, it'll all be a little embarrassing, as it always is.

But Sony and Microsoft have given gamers a golden opportunity to debate until they're blue in the face. Based on my brief overview, it seems like the two systems in question are quite similar from a hardware/architectural standpoint. If that's the case, and if the two consoles launch at about the same time, doesn't this mean there's very little incentive to purchase both? It'll all come down to the games, won't it? If the hardware is similar and the features are similar and the price is basically the same, won't the determining factor be the software? Honestly, if that is indeed the case, I'm gonna have to give the edge to the PS4.

But who knows? Microsoft promised "15 exclusives" in the first year, which doesn't sound like a ton but remember, the exclusive is a dying breed. And while Forza Motorsport 5 was the only confirmed exclusive for the Xbox One's launch, don't forget that Gran Turismo 6 will not be on the PS4 this year (although Yamauchi said a PS4 version was possible later). On the other hand, if the PS4 launches with Killzone: Shadow Fall , DriveClub , inFamous: Second Son and Knack , isn't that a decent lineup? And you have to expect more games to be announced at E3. Well, more games for both the PS4 and Xbox One, of course.

So yeah, it's going to be nuts. That's all I'll say.

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Beamboom
Beamboom
7 years ago

Oh man this will be FUN. I was seriously worried – yes almost expected – that they had at least *one* thing that made me go "outch, ok so *that* is cool".

I am left with one impression of the Xbox One: One patchwork of a box. Just the fact that they will insert *three* systems on that box screams patchwork to me.

The way I see it there is no discussion here. PS4 is the way to go. ALL Sony need to do from here on, is to focus on the games. Get it out there. Push the titles. Make the world know.
The rest of the battle is already won.


Last edited by Beamboom on 5/21/2013 4:05:28 PM

Kryten1029a
Kryten1029a
7 years ago

They layered Windows 3.0 on top of DOS, so it's not the first time they've had multiple processes going on under the hood.

Beamboom
Beamboom
7 years ago

Windows 3.x was just a graphical wrapper around DOS.
That's one thing, but this is different – if I understood correctly it's two parallel, individual systems that uses a third system to bridge/wrap the two. I mean… *wtf*?

This box will probably offer a lot of interconnectivity with Windows phones, Win8, Surface and other MS stuff – and this is *exactly* what I was talking about some months ago, that MS might go that route instead of focusing on being a games machine.

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

You're right beamboom. It does seem like a patchbox with those 3 OS, let alone extensive RAM usage. At least consumers will have the option to leave the Xbox One on idle so that it can update itself overnight or something.

I was also expecting that "1" feature that I'd wish Sony would have, but apparently that wasn't the case for me either.

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

Uhhhhh.

The PS3 already does automatic updates. Lol. and it has been confirmed that the whole automatic update thing will be a lot easier with the PS4….

tlpn99
tlpn99
7 years ago

Will you be buying one Ben though that's the question ?

I am undecided at the moment. I'll wait for E3 and more reveals etc.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
7 years ago

No, I don't think I'll be buying one.

But if there really are enough exclusives I want, I might.

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

15 exclusives in year 1.

8 of them are new IPs.

This = they finally realised their current IP library sucks, so they made new ones. hahaha.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
7 years ago

It will be fun to watch the mayhem. 13 of those exclusives will be Kinect games I bet. Xbox One has positioned itself as the living room console but not the must have gaming console. I think with free PSN, the best exclusives, better hardware, plenty of hype, and a focus on gaming the PS4 is going to cripple Xone after a brief heavyweight fight out of the gate.

matt99
matt99
7 years ago

ya the number of exclusives doesn't matter, it matters what the games are and with kinect being mandatory I would guess that quite a few of those games will be geared towards the casual/kinect using crowd and not the hardcore gamer.

berserk
berserk
7 years ago

I think more like 10 kinect/arcade exclusive ,I hope they were at least smart enougt for an exclusive AAA per 2/4 month .

kraygen
kraygen
7 years ago

I had the same thought pretty much. Forza, a new fable(kinect version likely) and a bunch of kinect games.

telly
telly
7 years ago

Here's the thing, though: Who's going to drop probably $400-500 on this supposed all-in-one box when it doesn't do a whole lot that your current devices don't already do? You can skype when you watch TV? 1) who has sat there watching TV and thought "man, I sure do wish I could shrink this program I'm watching and Skype at the same time! 2) Pretty much every modern TV offers it already. Mine does, and I've never used it once.

I'm still processing all this but my takeaway at the moment is XBox aspires to be this all encompassing "solution" to disparate entertainment options, but just doesn't pull it off.

Worth noting they clearly were focused on hardware this week and will do the games at E3. But right now, there's just no comparison. PS4's lineup already looks great, the hardware is being celebrated by developers of every size and shape, the third party games are going to (probably) be identical across both platforms, and you know Sony's internal studios are going to keep making excellent exclusive games. I mean, at the moment, it's just not even a contest, right?

MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
7 years ago

To summarize the Xbox One conference Farrah Abraham announced a Halo TV series.

The X Factor 9
The X Factor 9
7 years ago

There is no comparison.

What does Xbox One do that's special? Motion gestures to track my movements and advances that allow me to talk to my TV?

Forza is the one exclusive worth mentioning? A Halo TV show? Exclusive early access to horribly overpriced DLC?

They made Kinect and game installs mandatory?

I'm sorry, what games are coming out for it that aren't coming out on PS4? That annual $50 Xbox LiveGold account for the next 10 years looks great too.

I've taken sides. Let's get it on!

telly
telly
7 years ago

I'm not so sure they're content to "only" get $50 a year anymore, either. The strong rumor is they are going to a monthly fee in the $10-15 range. Compare that to PS Plus, which offers TONS of excellent free games, sales on many more, and the value comparison is so skewed as to be absurd. Microsoft still has time to explain/justify their plans, but it really does not look good at ALL right now.

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

Sony's stocks speaks itself. I wouldn't exactly say it's over yet, as E3 has yet to come, but there were certainly more negatives than positives from today's Xbox ONE reveal, as oppose to the PlayStation Meeting. If you're a hardcore Xbox fan that is really worried, brace yourself for E3 and hope those 15 exclusives (8 new) will change the tide.

I want to be as unbias as possible in this matter, but it's just clear right now that Sony has the upper hand. For all we know, MS may be more successful since they're catering hard to the mass audience, which will lead to bigger potential sales. However, it's not like Sony isn't an Entertainment machine too.

Beamboom
Beamboom
7 years ago

"there were certainly more negatives than positives from today's Xbox ONE reveal, as oppose to the PlayStation Meeting"

Exactly. This is a precise observation.
So when will the MS fanboys start screaming and accusing the press of being biased against Microsoft, sitting comfortably in Sonys "deep pockets"? I would assume that's already started?

Oh man how the tables are turned now. 😀


Last edited by Beamboom on 5/21/2013 4:23:51 PM

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

Btw Ben, Kaz mentioned that the PS4 version of GT may very well be GT7, not GT6. Just a minor note. He also said that it may not be that long of a wait, but that's after players have really played out GT6. In short, I'll probably say at least late 2014 to see any GT PS4. That said, Sony has DriveClub to keep racing enthusiasts interested at launch, and it looks to be the game to be comparing to Forza Motorsports 5, which I swear looked like PGR.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
7 years ago

I can't wait for the GT6 (on the PS3) comparisons to FM5 (on the Xbox One)…

PDI is going to turn some heads.

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

Unfair one at that, but I'm looking forward to it. How do you think DriveClub will hold up though?

HazySun
HazySun
7 years ago

You are aware that many of the standard cars will still not have a cockpit view right? If The Forza boys are going to take the piss out of anything it will be that!

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
7 years ago

15 exclusives? Ill believe it when I see it. Thats a lot and to be honest MS doesnt have that support. Most developers are third party and unless they are talking about exclusive dlc then I highly doubt any of the big devs will be creating exclusives for them. Second Sony has most the talent wrapped up anyways, so whos going to be creating these games? Are they xboxlive titles? If so that 15 exclusives statement is going to get slammed.

Anyways should be interesting, I dont know much about the Xbox one so I cant compare anything right now. That 15 exclusives stuck out to me though.

Temjin001
Temjin001
7 years ago

I think the fate here of Xbox One will resolve pretty fast. First year fast. Once crap starts circulating how much better multi-plats perform on the PS4 and the ever lucrative value of free online play. I think Sony is going to bring the hurt this gen.

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

Yup. It's only inevitable that Sony is the much better gaming machine spec wise. With the much better GDDR5 in terms of speed, and much more RAM dedicated to gaming, I see the Xbox once again holding back the potential of the generation with Multi-platform. If anyone is not aware, RAM is a pretty big deal and the advantage is clearly PS4, flatout. If not multi-platform, definitely look forward to exclusives for the best defining experience.

frostface
frostface
7 years ago

The market for this new console is very much for the US. All the TV functionality is US only but something that wasn't mentioned during the show but was confirmed after was that you'll not be able to avail of the TV services for the XBOX ONE without buying a separate receiver box to plug into the back of it.

There's a topic started over in the forums if anyone would like to have their say there…

http://www.psxextremeforums.com/gaming-discussion/13561-xbox-one.html#post187465

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

This is what I was thinking too. Here in australia, all those TV services aren't really a big thing, so the X-One won't really do that much for us over here.

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

It is now going around the internets that the TV features are US only at this point.

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
7 years ago

This years E3 is gonna rock!
Still though so many PS3 games to get this year,won't be able to afford a PS4 until next year at the earliest.

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

Definitely. I'll be enjoying GT6 for quiet a bit, along with Ni No Kuni soon, and whenever MGS5 arrives. I'm definitely in no rush for the PS4, unless a GT title pops up.

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
7 years ago

I got resi evil revelations,The last of us.GTA5,Beyond:two souls,Batman Arkham origins,GT6,MGS Ground Zeroes and MGS 5 with the possibility of The last guardian and FFXIII Vs to keep me going and bankrupt me at the same time 🙂

Dukemz_UK
Dukemz_UK
7 years ago

I laughed so hard at the poor name, the gobbledee-gook 3 OS, the gimmicky hand gesture stuff, the talking to the box, the 1980's VHS recorder box design, the forced kinect, the mandatory installs of games on your HD, the paying Microsoft a FEE whenever u try to install a used disc ….

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
7 years ago

VHS > Xbox One

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
7 years ago

The hard drive can't be replaced by the user as well. This was confirmed by IGN, but you can also use an external hard drives.

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

The new kinect basically means you have to play any games in a well lit, quiet room.

The kinect features just don't work in my mind. What if your house is noisy? Voice recognition isn't advanced enough to understand things perfectly 100% of the time, especially in noisy environments.

I like to play games in the dark sometimes, so that I can get fully immersed in them.

cLoudou
cLoudou
7 years ago

Pfft, I don't know about you guys but I'll be playing with my dogs in COD, losers. D1P.

daus26
daus26
7 years ago

Yeah, not sure what's up with the focus on the dogs.

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

I think its a play on getting 'connected' to your in game characters, and dogs are cool, so like, what better character to get attached to than a dog. People generally love the animals in movies, a lot more than their human counterparts.

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

Man, when that dog sacrifices itself for me in CoD: Ghosts, I won't lie, I'm gonnatear up. That Remedy game, Quantum Break looks very interesting, All in all, it was a decent show just like Sony's, nothing making me want to break my back to buy them day one. My biggest gripe is another system without any backwards compatibility. Lame. I think Sony may head down this mandatory install route too. Guess that's why EA had no reason to keep the online pass going. I wonder when Sony is going to get real, stop playing the 'please love us' game, and tell us about stuff like installs and if it will cost any money to use the full functionality of PSN.

Dukemz_UK
Dukemz_UK
7 years ago

"decent show" ?? Seriously?? Even the die-hard xbox fans are expressing their utter disappointment on all the major gaming sites.

The best thing I take from the xbox conference is that for me the next gen will be a single console choice. Guess which console?

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
7 years ago

PS4 gots 8 gig gddr5 ram so no need to install unless they wanna be all drm d!cks like ms,ps plus will get you the same stuff on PS4,the free online gaming will still be there.


Last edited by Lord carlos on 5/21/2013 6:38:10 PM

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

Yes I though it was decent. Not impressed, but it was expected. Microsoft has never been shy or coy about their vision for their system is beyond simply being a gaming device. So what they showed was in line with that. I don't mind being able to use it for other things than sitting alone in a room with a controller, giggling to myself about Nathan Drake's latest quip. I was going to own every next gen system anyway. Already have the Wii U. And with the Xbox One sx differentiating itself the way it has, out becomes even more valuable to my entertainment hub. PS4, like the PS, PS2, and PS3, before it will always be my go to system for every game. Even with the PS3 getting a few bad ports, I bought them for the 3 anyway. Just for my PS3 alone, I own 400 retail games, (another reason I'm not excited for the next gen yet, my backlog is nearly insurmountable now). But I like the tech Ms showed and I hope it works as well as it did on stage. Am I particularly happy with all the rules that goes along with it? No, but I will get over it if the uniformity serves a better purpose. I hope it does.


Last edited by n/a on 5/21/2013 7:08:25 PM

Akuma_
Akuma_
7 years ago

It's funny how you were so rough on Sony in your comment, when MS' conference was 10x worse.

There was nothing decent about the MS show, it was boring. I can't believe I got up at 3am just to find out what it's called, what it looks like, and that the PS4 beats the sh*t out of it.

MS never spoke about any hardware specifics, which tells us all the rumors are true about RAM type and CPU specs. which means that games will ultimately run better on the PS4.

Apocrita
Apocrita
7 years ago

For starters, a little about myself.

I don't consider myself in any way to be an xbot, but that said, my 360 to PS3 game ratio is 6 to 1. Those uneven numbers are a controller specific response (and a bit of a bad impression of Sony over the last few years). I have big hands and the DS2 controller isn't comfortable for me, not at all. I actually use a Power-A gamepad for my PS3, it isn't great, but it solves the hand cramping problems.

I've owned a PS1, PS2, Xbox, 360 and PS3, and in that order. I still own all of them actually, I can't part with my old plastic memories. Units or games…I'm sentimental like that 🙂

So, on to the topic.

I was really impressed with Sony's entire PS4 presentation from beginning to end. The PS4 looks amazing, but it's so much more that's been accomplished to win someone like me over. They've seemingly adjusted their entire stance since the inception of the PS3 to one that is more “humble” (maybe a bad choice of terms but for me at least, it's fitting) and a LOT more gamer-focused. I was one of those people that was not impressed with the whole PS3 inception, public relations, etc…you know the stories and gripes. Yet, I still love my PS3 and own 28 games for it.

So, the Xbox One, is dead on arrival for me. I can't imagine a time when I will relinquish the amount of ownership/control/privacy that Microsoft is demanding with their new machine. They've taken DRM to an entirely new level (from my personal perspective) and expect that old players like me will accept it…phhhttt! They can call the limitations they've placed on their new device whatever they like, but from where I sit and from what I've gathered from today's revelations, it's just an insidious form of “New-speak” for content control and user restriction, better put and repeated, DRM.

There won't be any vacillation on my part about what new console to purchase. Today's news shifted me firmly into camp Sony. I'm relieved actually, I can't afford two new consoles this round anyway.

That's a long first post!


Last edited by Apocrita on 5/21/2013 5:18:50 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
7 years ago

Sure, it's a long first post, but we get a lot of that around here so you'll fit right in. 😉 Welcome!

You owned your consoles in the same order I did (PS1, PS2, Xbox 360 and PS3), although my history goes back to Atari. I've always been a multi-console owner but this coming generation might be the first where I just stick with one. You seem to be thinking the same thing. 🙂

Apocrita
Apocrita
7 years ago

Thanks!

And thanks again for the help I got from ya' when the registration process wasn't working for me.

I (dating myself here) got my first console, an Atari 2600 on day one when I was 11 or 12. That was it until the PS1 blew me away.

And yes. It'll be the PS4 only for me this generation. I am almost in shock at the parade of bad decisions that MS has made with its new offering. I shouldn't be surprised, but alas, I am. They made the decision sooooo easy this round.


Last edited by Apocrita on 5/21/2013 5:38:13 PM

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
7 years ago

Welcome here.

Beamboom
Beamboom
7 years ago

Hey welcome, Apocrita!
I very much agree with your summary. I've said the same, Sony seem more humble and definitely fully focused on making a good *gaming* console.

This really is a "best case scenario" for Sony. And I am so relieved that we find one solid gaming console without too much non-gaming related nonsense.

I've never owned an Xbox but back when I chose console I was not too sure what to go for. I ended up with the PS3 just because of the Blu-ray drive.

This time around there really are no doubts on what console to go for. And that feels good. An inner peace. 🙂


Last edited by Beamboom on 5/22/2013 2:15:58 AM

telly
telly
7 years ago

Welcome, and agree very much with your views. The majority of us here don't hate Xbox at all, and in fact many of us have enjoyed the 360 very much (me included.) But you've described it perfectly: I too am simply shocked by what I saw/didn't see yesterday. There's nothing compelling about what Microsoft showed yesterday, while Sony made a strong impression for PS4 right out of the gate. I can't fathom a games lineup from Microsoft that would make me reconsider my distaste for XBox One right now.

And I agree with you, thank GOODNESS I need to be buy two consoles (at least out of the gate!)

Apocrita
Apocrita
7 years ago

Thanks all, for the kind welcome.

I've been a silent reader for a long time. I couldn't begin to list all the useful and helpful information I've gathered from my time here.