They didn't give us a date or price, and they didn't even show us the system. And yet, last night's PlayStation Meeting made a really good impression.

For instance, take the reaction of Cowen and Company senior analyst Doug Creutz, who told NowGamer that the competition should be concerned about what Sony presented. Specifically, he said Microsoft will have to "bring their A-game" and Nintendo should be "worried."

Creutz said that Microsoft has the "pole position" simply based on their current-generation standing (and we assume he means in this country, as the PS3 has surpassed the 360 in terms of worldwide sales). However, he thinks Sony did a "good job" as they definitely appealed to core gamers who will be considering an upgrade:

I think Sony made a very strong pitch to gamers last night that the PS4 is a worthwhile upgrade from the PS3. They have yet to make that pitch to a broader audience, which will entail giving more detail on their strategy on the multimedia side."

The analyst added that in comparison to the Wii U, the PS4 "really does look like a next-gen console" and Nintendo might want to be concerned. In grading the entire presentation, Creutz gives Sony an A-/B+, which sounds about right. PSXE would give it an A-, if you asked us. 🙂

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Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

LOL It looks like Xbox fans reacted 10x better than most PS fans did:

http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21/xbox-fans-react-to-the-playstation-4-announcement

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

Meh, all of my friends that own 360s (a majority of them do) say they're sticking with whatever Microsoft comes out with. To be honest I can't complain, I'm the same way with Sony products.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
8 years ago

Yea they'll change their minds if the xbox uses the windows 8 OS. Wouldnt be surprised if it did. Windows 8 already uses apps, and is connected to Live to download games, movies, etc…

Fane1024
Fane1024
8 years ago

That's because they saw a new Xbox.

;P

Simcoe
Simcoe
8 years ago

…or if MS blocks used games.

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

It's really really nice to see the Xbox-fans responses. Bottom line is that we are all gamers.

clockwyzebkny
clockwyzebkny
8 years ago

I'd give their presentation a solid A. The public wasn't 100% sure that the PS4 would be revealed but if it was most thought it would just be a mundane production.
But it was a little of everything. Spec talk, developer friendly, exclusive games, tech demos, gameplay, new controller design etc. The only things missing was price, launch date and the actual system reveal. I didn't expect Sony to reveal the price or launch date prematurely before E3 or before Microsoft's reveal for their next gen system

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

I thought it was nice that they fully embraced the indie scene as well.

clockwyzebkny
clockwyzebkny
8 years ago

oh yeah Agreed. I meant to list that along with showcasing MM's creativity

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Nintendo should probably be very scared, they will have their core audience with Mario and Zelda but that plan to have lots of multiplats is going to go to hell come the holidays.

Sony is clearly going very infrastructure heavy with PS4, I don't think that's something MS will be willing to invest capital in. They could score some points by having a cheap console and charging a ton for Live but I dunno cuz free seems to be the way of the future for online. I guess I'm biased but after the whole Kinect-driven future they've embraced and the failure to capture the living room I don't see them gaining.

Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

Thing is… no one in Sony has actually confirmed that the PSN will remain free….

Yoshida was asked about it, and he just talked about how they want to increase the services that are available on the PSN. They REALLY need to keep it free, it is one of the driving points of the PS.

That said, if it went paid, I would probably still pay it, and then some for the premium service…..

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

They didn't but they did say the word free a lot and only paying for what you love.

ryu
ryu
8 years ago

exactly, that's what i've been saying, Sony pull this show for microsoft really, to back their statement last month saying "your move MS"

they simply came into U.S. soil to do a "here comes a new challenger" thing like in street fighter, if my straw is in your market milkshake, that's my milkshake!

after all, Japan is Sony's real home turf, why would they show everything here

clockwyzebkny
clockwyzebkny
8 years ago

lol @ryu "here comes a new challenger"!

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

Give me more RPGS or I'm going to put more time into PC gaming. This generation of gaming for me personally has been the least entertaining due to the lack of traditional RPGs.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Meaning JRPGs?

Cabalavatar1
Cabalavatar1
8 years ago

World makes a good point. I've seen and played ALL SORTS of RPGs this generation: Fallout 3 and NV, Skyrim, Final Fantasy, Mass Effect 1-3, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Dragon Age 1 and 2, Ni No Kuni, Dissidia 012, Disgaea, Cross Edge, Nier, Kingdom of Amalur, Two Worlds, The Witcher 2, White Knight Chronicles, Atelier Meruru, Lost Odyssey…


Last edited by Cabalavatar1 on 2/22/2013 12:19:09 AM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

Of course I'm talking about JRPGs (what has been missing this gen?)

Cabalavatar1,

A majority of that list contains NON TRADITIONAL RPGS (hence my adding the word traditional). I understand that this generation it became the "in" thing to add RPG elements to an adventure/action game and pass it off as an RPG but that isn't how it works and certainly isn't the type of game I'm referring to.


Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 2/22/2013 12:47:10 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

"non-traditional" depends on what tradition you belong to, though. As for me personally the western RPGs *are* the traditional RPGs.

At first the classic jrpgs, to me, looked more like a strategy game than a rpg. When I bought my first jrpg, for the PSP, I though they had categorized the game wrongly. I didn't see any roleplay aspect to them at all.

Fane1024
Fane1024
8 years ago

Let's not start that argument again.

(I'm with Beam, though: traditional RPG = D&D.)

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

What "tradition" I belong to is quite clear and well known. It's been pretty obvious that JRPGS have been lacking this generation (have you ignored the thousands of articles on this topic?)

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

By all means, it is. My point was just that I think it's better to call it was it is, jrpgs, instead of calling western RPGs non-traditional cause that is after all a question of perspective.


Last edited by Beamboom on 2/22/2013 10:29:27 AM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

Games like ME and Fallout3 are not traditional RPGs. I said nothing about "western" games.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

That's mostly the developers fault, though I have to say that if I were Sony I would put a studio together that only does JRPGs and grabs the fanbase that Square-Enix jettisoned from Final Fantasy for no apparent reason.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
8 years ago

NISA just announced Disgea D2: A Brighter Darkness, Time and Eternity, and The Guided Fate Paradox, all exclusive to PS3, all bound for the NA and EU markets. How's that for RPGs?

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

For me, Fallout 3 is pretty close to what I would call a traditional RPG, unless you by "traditional" refer to the stone age. I see few conceptual differences between Fallout 3 and, say, Vampire Bloodlines, KOTOR or Neverwinter Nights. Just to pick three other western RPGs that I would call traditional RPGs according to my associations with the term "traditional".

I would also say the mmorpgs are all built on a "traditional RPG concept".

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
8 years ago

@Beamboom

I think LimitedVertigo refers mainly to RPGs with turn-based combat.

Turn-based combat has been around longer than action oriented combat in RPGs and therefore has a significantly stronger claim to the term traditional. RPGs with action-oriented combat are a newer phenomenon and therefore have a weaker claim to the term. Newer still are games that may call themselves action RPGs but may put a bit too much emphasis on the action part of the equation. So much so that it might even be more accurate to refer to them as action games with RPG elements as opposed to actual RPGs.

Fane1024
Fane1024
8 years ago

Early JRPGs also had 2D pixel and sprite graphics. Does that mean 2D graphics are a definitive feature of the RPG? No. What makes an RPG an RPG is ROLE-PLAYING.

p.s. We've discussed this topic 'til we were all blue-faced.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
8 years ago

@ Fane1024

Did I ever say that turn-based combat was a definitive feature of the RPG? No.

I simply said (or perhaps meant since I'm not perfectly replicating my original wording) that RPGs with turn-based combat have been around for longer and therefore have a stronger claim to the term "traditional". While action-oriented RPGs are a newer phenomenon and therefore have a weaker claim to the term. They still have a claim but a weaker one. And I think people tend to think of action as not being inherently and seamlessly compatible (not incompatible but not inherently and seamlessly compatible either) with RPGs is simply because action is a separate genre of video game has been for some time.

And we've discussed this topic till we were all blue-faced? So what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean to say that you're tired of the discussion and don't want to have it anymore? Then why did you respond to me? If you don't want to get stung then stay away from hornet's nests. If you don't want to get blown up then don't go walking through a mine field. If you don't want to have a discussion then don't participate in said discussion. Or in other words if you don't want to start something or get caught up in something then simply walk away. Especially if it's a matter of little (if any) real consequence.

So if you disagree with me but are also tired of the discussion then simply give me a thumb down and stop posting responses.


Last edited by Looking Glass on 2/24/2013 9:56:25 AM

clockwyzebkny
clockwyzebkny
8 years ago

Also not trying to put down the competition but I'm not too enthusiastic about Microsoft's new console. I'll keep my eyes and ears open but Microsoft's business decisions left a bad taste in my mouth this gen. I think what makes it worse is the xbot zealots that feels like Microsoft can do no wrong. My cousin just got his 4th or 5th 360 it's his 2nd slim version. Prior to this new one, he kept insisting that 360 slims dont break down. I laughed at him when he showed me the new system. I asked if he's intrigued by the PS4. He said he's going to only deal with Microsoft systems….i don't get it To me Microsoft seems like that abusive husband and the xbots (fanatics) seems like the brainwashed scarred forever loyal wife.
In no way i'm saying i would completely write off their newest system or try to sway others to. It's just that i don't get how they've gain such loyal support and hate for Sony when there's such low quantity of AAA exclusives, a plethora of RROD and other system failures that plagued the system, countless unwarranted bans…etc
Sorry for my rant guys Again i'm just confused at the blind following and voicing my frustration Also i'm seeing a resurgence of Sony hate from the 360 crowd on forums and youtube.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

People will go to extreme lengths to justify the "correctness" of the decisions they have made, whether that be in a significant other or a costly piece of hardware. The last thing on most people's list of actions is to admit they might be wrong about something.

Cabalavatar1
Cabalavatar1
8 years ago

Here's the responses that I get:
1. 360 has better controller
2. XBL offers better multiplayer and cross-game chat (for a price)
3. Dev's controls on the PS are awkward
4. Sony's PSN was hacked.

How to address (and sometimes refute) them:
1. You can buy 360-style controllers for the PS3 and vice versa.
2. Show me data on how XBL is better. Why is cross game chat important? Why do you want to chat with someone who isn't playing the same game? (Don't you have Skype yet?)
3. That's pretty subjective; I don't know how you support it; I'll give ya that one I guess.
4. You think Microsoft is safeguarded against an elite group of hactivists? Whatever, you can have that one, too, even if it seems to affirm only an already cultivated bias.

Cabalavatar1
Cabalavatar1
8 years ago

I claim that the devotion is buyer's remorse as cognitive dissonance. It's also kind of like Stockholm Syndrome. You buy a library of games and get abducted by the console that corresponds with them. You "love" it because you're forced to be around it so much.
Some of that makes sense: you have the library already, so I guess you kinda have to go out to buy that 6th 360 to play 'em…

Underdog15
Underdog15
8 years ago

XBL was hacked in 2007. Actual accounts and CC numbers were stolen.

People like to conveniently forget that because MS never had a formal announcement that gave everyone all the details.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 2/22/2013 12:49:56 AM

SirLoin of Beef
SirLoin of Beef
8 years ago

@Cabalavatar1, I agree with them when they say the standard 360 controller is better than the standard PS3 one. I have both systems and the 360 controller feels better in my hands. It's a matter of preference, really, as I'm sure there are those out there who would say the opposite of me.

slugga_status
slugga_status
8 years ago

The controller argument I used to think was pretty weak. Until I started having pain in my hands. I'd prefer a PS3 controller b/c it doesn't cause the need to grip the controller as much..

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
8 years ago

Sony did good by my book… in fact, I wasn't bothered by the absence of a "physical" PS4 at all.

Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

Yeah I agree, I was really hoping to see it, but I am not going crazy that we didn't, not like 90% of the other people out there.

Seen SO many media websites flaming the Sony event like crazy….SIMPLY because it didn't show the console.

Even Xbox Lives head dude bashed the event simply because of that one fact.

People are so petty.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
8 years ago

I don't care what it looks like, I care far more about what's inside and the software.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

It will be rectangular and black, nuff said.

Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

hehe Wii U and 'next-gen'
But hey, Wii U launched first. First out is all that matters! =p

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

nah, first in is all that matters 🙂

daus26
daus26
8 years ago

Not only did they show games, they showed games of different genres and variety. They showed us Killzone (fps), Second Son (Action), DriveClub (racing), Knack (platform/adventure), whatever MM was showing, and that's just coming from Sony's first party club.

The show was a good balance of revealings, and what they are probably reserving for the long run.

Corvo
Corvo
8 years ago

I personally wouldn't worry about Ninty. As much as i disagree with…their decisions… I still believe they will always have a place in peoples living room. Especially since people who grew up with NES, would want their kids or grandkids to have those same experiences they did. So I wouldn't worry so much about Ninty in my opinion.

MS on the other hand… I honestly don't know how they would top that. At this point im seeing them throwing together top notch hardware and not balancing it properly so its broken and unresponsive. Two, i see them revealing the "Kinect 2" and giving up on Sony and going after the casual gamers (meaning nintendo's group) Sure this is unlikely but its also still a possibility.

They have Halo, Forza, and Gears. Those three will not stand against the tide's of whatever Sony and most likely Nintendo is cooking up. Ninty has had some weak presentations (the most recent being the DLC for the 3DS. I mean wtf are they thinking?) But im sure the next Zelda game is going to be great. Wasn't a fan of Skyward sword. But it was still a good game.

And Sony with their allowing of people to create new experiences for games. The last option i see MS being able to do is simply quit. Release a better 360 with some better hardware.

That is obviously the last thing they would do but its also a possibility. Such a strong showing from Sony (sure people wanted to see more but what would be left for E3 and TGS? Yeah i thought so :P) really put the edge on MS. Remember that comment by MS? "No one even knows about the 20th?" Twitch had 566k people watching that livestream. I was there and it was extremely laggy.

Anyway unless MS brings out something beastly im pretty sure their done. Not much you can do. But then again, just like in Helms deep (rewatched the movie again yesterday. Man… Imagine a ps4 game rendering 1000 enemies on screen at once…) the mighty can be beaten. Sony dealt with a ton of hate this gen. I think their pulling of the plug on the ps2 made them remember who they are, and what they are truly about.

Bringing people together. To game together. To create experiences together. To make you think back 10 years and remember something you treasured about a game. Sony has definitely showed that they remember what they were about during the ps2 era and i would bet that they aren't going to let us down.

The whole "Social" thing is clearly to bring friends together. Thinking about it a lot of my childhood friends live in different states. So i don't have that option of having them come over and visiting and play some games. This social stuff would make for some good times.

The online gameplay is clearly going to be more influenced by Co-op and of course Multiplayer. Its going to work even better and probably give out much more ways to game online with friends. And clearly the people who prefer to go solo still have games to look foward to as Watch_Dogs and the puzzle game are single player. (if im wrong about watch_dogs i apologize.)

All in all, im confident about Sony's choices and they even made that Social stuff sound decent. Someone beats my score i sure as hell wanna get it back. Im sure some of you old timers remember getting high score on an arcade game and seeing someone beat it. Im sure you went all out to get it back. I like the thought of watching someone beat my score. Seeing how and what they did to do so. Its just awesome.

I'd give Sony an A. I forgot to mention… Why would i want a damn 'Share' button. Then again i don't do all those social websites so maybe i don't understand the appeal in it. Anyway sorry for a long post but i said everything i wanted to. Hope it was a good read for anyone who took the time to read it.

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

Have you ever experienced something awesome during a gaming session that made you go, "damn, wish my buddies could have seen THAT!"

That's what you want the share button for.

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

I think Sony has done *fantastic* thus far in the transmission to a new generation consoles.
I see nothing but smiles in the media (with one sole exception here in Norway, a columnist who *obviously* were no gamer and claimed that the days of the consoles are over – he much preferred to get his entertainment through Apple TV. Understand that link those who can).

We should never underestimate Microsoft, but I am seriously curious as to what they *can* show that could puncture the momentum Sony has gained now.

So far, so good.

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
8 years ago

So true, MS will have to up their GDDR3 memory to GDDR5. Gamers will notice that little difference. Not to mention the multiplatform race. They will have to bring new IPs to the fight as well. GOW, Forza and Halo will not cut it next gen. Honestly I really expect them to bring some new IPs. Believe it or not we need Microsoft to at least show up and press Sony so that there can be a healthy competition.

I really like Nintendo and own the WiiU but they are already losing next gen. Their WiiU sold only 59K in January with only the PS3 and X360 as competition. Once November 2013 rolls around they are going to in trouble. Windwaker HD is awesome but it won't be enough.

___________
___________
8 years ago

and they will, they always do!
im more worried about ninty, again bringing a walkmen to the era of ipods!
as usual way, way, WAY behind the technical times!

cadpig
cadpig
8 years ago

Sony knocked it out of the park. Totally blew me away!! The new Killzone and Drive club sold me.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch. Microsoft is plotting their next move.

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