Remember this fake mock-up of the PlayStation 4? Well, it probably won't look anything like that, but at least the real deal could be unveiled soon…

A tipster has evidently provided Kotaku with a wealth of information concerning the new PlayStation console, including the codename – "Orbis" – and possible launch date of 2013.

The unit might include an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU; these specs should allow the new system to display games at a ridiculous resolution of 4096 x 2160, which is way above most current HDTVs right now. It should also let us play games in 3D in 1080p; currently, all 3D games must be scaled to 720p. The source says beta units will be shipped to developers at the end of this year, with an eventual launch of 2013.

Now, the fun parts that are bound to incite plenty of discussion: First, no backwards compatibility, so your PS3 games won't be able to play on the system. B/C disappeared rather quickly on the PS3, as it went from full support on the original 60GB PS3 in 2006 to stripped down B/C in later models and now, no current model allows for PS2 titles. So maybe this isn't a surprise. But secondly – and this one is gonna annoy people, I think – it seems Orbis won't allow for used games, either.

Like the rumored new Xbox (codenamed "Durango"), "multiple sources" say that Orbis will also "have some kind of anti-used games measures built into the console." Here's the snippet from the article:

"Here's how our main source says it's currently shaping up: new games for the system will be available one of two ways, either on a Blu-Ray disc or as a PSN download (yes, even full retail titles). If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account, after which you can play the game, save the whole thing to your HDD, or peg it as "downloaded" in your account history and be free to download it at a later date.

Don't think you can simply buy the disc and stay offline, though; like many PC games these days, you'll need to have a PSN account and be online to even get the thing started.

If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do. While our sources were unclear on how exactly the pre-owned customer side of things would work, it's believed used games will be limited to a trial mode or some other form of content restriction, with consumers having to pay a fee to unlock/register the full game.

This would allow used games to continue to be sold at outlets such as GameStop, while also appeasing major publishers who would no longer have to implement their own haphazard approaches to 'online passes.'"

All rumor, mind you, but discuss away.

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Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I'm not much of a supporter of used games but prohibiting used games would be a disaster for a new console.

telly
telly
9 years ago

Not sure I agree with that — I think if they make new/legal store and download purchases super user-friendly I think it could do quite well actually, especially if they find a way to keep prices lower. Gamespot, et al don't want to share one penny of used game sales with Sony, Microsoft, etc.? Ok, they're not going to let full versions of used games run on the devices. I like this move.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Absolutely would. Considering a good number of people either can't afford new or don't have the internet this isn't a good business strategy.

Telly- why would Gamestop as a business ever share used sales with Sony or MS? It's their revenue. The only time this would even be a any type of issue and it would be small mind you, is if SCEA were the publishers.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 3/28/2012 2:26:35 PM

telly
telly
9 years ago

Well, it's generally about a $5 difference between used game prices, perhaps $10, at Gamestop. I think people could find a way to scrounge that extra five dollars together. I think it's more the entitlement issue that would be a potential problem for Sony — gamers screaming that they not only have the right to buy used games, but that Sony "HAS NO RIGHT" to tack on a price tag of some sort for those who choose to buy those used games, and literally freaking out to the point of refusing to play video games anymore in protest to this OUTRAGE.

telly
telly
9 years ago

@bigrailer, the big publishers have asked them to, and you're right, Gamestop did not feel the need to give them anything. But because they did not, Sony and Microsoft (wanna bet on Nintendo too?) are devising similar mechanisms to get money from used game buyers. Gamestop has the right to keep all used game sales to themselves — and Sony and Microsoft have every right to respond as they are with these new mechanisms. Simple as that.

xenris
xenris
9 years ago

If they are going to do this they better drop the prices. Games on steam are typically cheaper because A you can't trade them you own them forever, and B you don't own the physical copy.

If they want it so they are getting all the money make things cheaper so people are less likely to buy things used. Games shouldn't be more than 49.99 yeah thats only 10 dollars cheaper but still that should be the absolute most. Especially with the BS DLC practices that we are getting these days.

I think this whole thing is a load though. I'm sure its just a huge rumour.

Palpatations911
Palpatations911
9 years ago

What is stopping them from preventing used movie playback and having us download our movies from the PSN Store or Video Unlimited?

telly
telly
9 years ago

@xenris, Steam is a great model to follow — cheap, super user-friendly, tons of content, fun to use, etc. As Valve proudly says, they don't have a problem with used games or piracy because their serve is so great gamers CHOOSE to pay to use it instead of getting the games other ways. Retail copies of games aren't going anywhere right away but clearly Sony would benefit from a robust online service like Steam.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Telly-

People buying used games for $5 less than retail because that's what Gamestop charges doesn't happen all the time, in fact I would be comfortable betting most people are smarter than that. I know people do it though otherwise Gamestop would have to adjust prices. But there are other means of buying used games. If I buy used I buy from glyde and will save a lot of money even with shipping involved. I won't buy use from Gamestop for the reason you pointed out. So yes not being able to afford a game at retail is still a
Concern and still a concern when Gamestop charges $55, because Gamestop isn't the only place charging for used games. Even gamely sells there games for a good discount. Gamestop is just greedy that's why they getthe attention and you would associate used games being at their pricing standards.

Sony and Microsoft have no right though to ask Gamestop to share revenue. They CAN ask but they shouldn't expect anything. Sony and MS shouldn't limit there console to this standard though that's the issue, I don't really care if they are making a profit from used games, it's a business.

buckoboy1
buckoboy1
9 years ago

I agree, what about the gamers who are dissapointed in a game, go to sell the game on ebay and can only sell a game that we bought for 60+ dollars for what, 5 bucks? due to the codes probably costing a solid 20+ dollars. I really think this is a stupid decidion for any game company to make. Shun them! SHUN THEM ALL TO HELLLLLLLL!

telly
telly
9 years ago

@big railer, fair points.

richfiles
richfiles
9 years ago

I'll be honest. I will not support a system that does this.

I feel that if I buy a game and don't like it, that I should be able to sell it. The argument that these companies are losing money is ridiculous! They are selling more games than they have ever sold in the past, and they have DLC as an additional revenue stream. It costs them NO MORE to front the server costs of supporting a game that I choose to actively play for 2 years, vs if I play it for a month and a half, sell it, and then it's played for 2 months, then sold, and played for another month after sitting on a store shelf for a week… and so on.

Additionally… Some people have pointed out that companies like Gamestop sell preowned titles for often only $5-10 less than new… well, you have to recall that not everyone gets games at launch. Some people wait till the price drops passed a certain comfort point. Some people have Gamestop's discount card, which works on preowned stuff. The problem with waiting for price drops, is developers often make a set number of pressings for a disc, then stop. Without preowned sales, many people may loose the opportunity to get these games if they either waited too long for a price drop or did not know of a game that would have interested them.

Developers and publishers are just trying to spin every used sale as a potential new sale. If GM, Ford, or Chrysler ever did this in the car market… prohibiting used auto sales by tying the functionality of a car to it's first registered owner… The American auto industry would die with that generation of cars as everyone ran to foreign makers.

The argument that these companies even have the right to do this all argues down to legalese. They say they only license the game code for your use, and that you do not own it… But you DO OWN the medium it is distributed on. It's why DLC does not have a used market. Legal statements or software that bar my ability to sell a disc are NOT okay with me. They could theoretically say in the EULA that you agree to not sell the disc, but that treads difficult legal waters that they do not want to risk crossing in court. Since they actually CAN'T bar you from selling the software without taking the risk of the act potentially being deemed unenforceable by a court, they are attempting to do the next best thing in their favor…

They are turning the discs into demo discs if you weren't the first user…

That is ALL KINDS of suck!!!

They are basically tying the lockout into the software, the same way Online Passes are. This DOES allow you to sell the disc, but it's value is greatly diminished. It does not tread those dangerous legal waters, and poses no risk to Sony. Sadly, there is little that can be done to fight such a decision, save for two things… Vote with your wallet, or set sail on the high seas of the web as a pirate. The first deprives you of a game to deprive Sony, and the second is unethical… Of course, I consider the underhanded loophole of online passes and this first buyer lock in BS to be unethical!

What's worse, is these Japanese companies Like Sony, or companies based in urban centers (like every large game company), have failed to realize one thing…

The world is not yet fully wired into broadband, and not everyone has the money to go online. The cost of internet is abhorrent in some places. The cheapest internet in my area is still about $44 a month for broadband… and that's slow, like 1 Mbit. That service is only available a short distance from the edge of town. after that, you are talking wireless services that clock in at 128 Kbit, and it's more expensive than the in town economy! Get further out into the country, and you are still limited to 56K dial up. There ARE NO SERVICES out there!!!

Sony and other companies need to realize that the rest of the world isn't as wired as Japan. We don't all have 3G service. We don't all have broadband.

Requiring a system to be online is the worst kind of technological discrimination I can imagine. I work at a Gamestop. I have turned HALF of our potential PC game buyers away, telling them, not that it's not in stock, but if they buy a particular title, they will waste their money, because they will never be able to play it in their rural location, thanks to the bastards who made the game demanding an always on internet connection to verify that the player is not a pirate.

I always tell them to contact these companies to inform them that their business practices are discriminatory against those who can not afford broadband internet, or who geographically are prevented from being able to have access to it.

So no…

I don't care what Sony or Microsoft's next system can do… If it does these two things (Prohibits preowned games from playing, and requires an active internet connection to authorize owned games), I will not support it.

I will put my money into a PC instead. At least if I'm to be saddled with resale prohibitions, I should at least be able to spend my money on something that'll get me some other uses.

Screw Sony if they do this!


Last edited by richfiles on 3/29/2012 12:11:30 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Um…Richfiles, can I just prick your little bubble of Japan hate. Sony has stuck by physical media far more than the American company Microsoft. MS has been pitching digital distribution since 2006 when they realized that BluRay would beat HD-DVD and they needed a new stick with which to beat it.

I mean, I totally agree that digital is the future, but until the world is flood wired with optical fiber, physical media has to remain an option. Sony knows this, that's why Vita games come on cartridges.

richfiles
richfiles
9 years ago

@ Highlander…

Umm… Did you not read the part about requiring online persistence to verify the game license is authenticated, even with physical media…

THAT is what I was talking about, and I didn't limit my comments to sony. I mentioned all game developer in urban areas (pretty much nearly all of them). It think there is city named Redmond that has a rather big company that is rumored to be doing the same.

So… yeah… Japan hate is ALL in YOUR head.


Last edited by richfiles on 3/29/2012 12:32:22 PM

berserk
berserk
9 years ago

Not necessarily , it might be like some game now where you have to pay 10 ( online pass )to experience the full game .

Those games are mostly sold for 10 less even at gamestop ( those recently released game sold 45 used instead of the usual 55 at gamestop for example ).

So paying a fee for the full game won t matter much if it s a reasonable one .

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Yeah, well, no. Richfiles, I read multiple of your posts and you have a problem with Japan, so, all in your head be it.

tlpn99
tlpn99
9 years ago

Hopefully this is not the case about the pre owned games. A lot of people cannot afford to buy every single game brand new.

Is this going to be the same on the Xbox720 or Durango ?

If that's the case then I am afraid I may not even buy the new PS3/Xbox. If they do do this I think it could be a silly move as there maybe more people like myself who will just stick to the good ole PS3/Xbox. Heck I may even go back to online gaming on a PC.

How many from this site would buy it even if it meant no pre owned games ?


Last edited by tlpn99 on 3/28/2012 12:30:27 PM

Fabi
Fabi
9 years ago

I'm with you. I'll stick to my PS3 and my Vita if that will be the case.

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
9 years ago

I'm with you too also. I hope some of these rumors is false.


Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 3/28/2012 1:35:31 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I would not buy a PC pretending to be a console. If they go that route, they've lost this Playstation user. If I want a fast PC I'll buy a decent laptop.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I think you're being rediculous Highlander. Thought I'd share that 😉

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Why ridiculous? because I'd rather buy an ungimped PC I can upgrade instead of a closed box I can't? whatever.

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

Pricing of new games seems to drop faster at stores like Target and online shops like Amazon, than the pricing of used games at Gamestop.

So, even if the used game market was totally done away with, it would be no skin off my back.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

I'd buy it cus most of my games are bought new anyways. Especially the games I know I'll be getting and really want. So yes I would in fact still be a consumer.

What frustrates me about this though is as a consumer they would seriously be limiting their sales. I will stick up for the little guy who saved and saved to get a PS4 only to find out the games he/she borrows from a friend or rents won't work. That's not right, and developers will lose sole revenue also, from businesses like rental stores and gamely etc… Who buy lots of games to provide to their customers.

Idk, it seems like an illegitimate rumor to me. I don't know any company that would limit it's success that much. Sony isnt making tons of money of the limited games they publish. They are making money from the consoles to play those games on.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Highlander, I suppose if the x86 CPU does become reality, yourself and anyone else who thinks as you do will disappear from these boards in due time so it doesn't really matter to argue against your rediculous resolve. BTW, you'd better avoid Rage on PC, I haven't been able to get it to run since the day I got it 😉

Sincerely, I hope you come to your senses within the next few days or weeks and realize that gaming on a Playststion should mean a lot more than the processors that power them.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

Rage works perfectly fine on PC. Day one it didn't since the wrong version was released on Steam, which is the version I have, but the patch fixed it. I have since played and finished the game as has countless others. So may want to look at your system instead of simply saying a game doesn't work.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Well, if you want to trade barbs, I find your relatively blind faith and acceptance of the x86 future just as ridiculous, especially considering the rate at which ARM processors are chewing up the market. But, whatever.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Rage had lots of ongoing problems for PC users, don't pretend it didn't. And they sure as heck were not resolved for everyone day 1.

My problem still hasn't been resolved because of HP. The game has many known issues with the 6770m graphics chipset, largely because of it's switchable graphics between the i5's graphics chip and ATI's own chip. I'm at the mercy of HP, waiting patiently for them to release their exclusive ATI driver, made availible only through them. I've read there's ways around it. I've gone into my BIOS and switched my graphics to FIXED, but that doesn't help. If you happen to know, I'd appreciate it =)

I have a dv6 HP laptop

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Highlander, we're just not going to see eye to eye on this. Catch you around somewhere else I guess 😉

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Temjin I've worked with, built and programmed for PCs since 1984. The x86 architecture and instruction set has had it's day, it's had someone else's day, and then another couple of people's days as well. It's old, tired and cancerous. It's had so many extensions and extras bolted on it's behind, it's butt extends into an entirely different dimension. As for the PC architecture in general, it's as general purpose as you can get. I find it old, tired and boring in the extreme. The prospect of an 'exciting' new console being based on either technology is about as thrilling to me as going to Sears to buy a Kenmore dishwasher. You can call me a technophile, a geek or whatever, but part of the reason for sticking with PlayStation has been their technology which has always been second to none. A PlayStation based on the 'leaked' information is second to every high end PC available on day 1. Exciting, not.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/28/2012 11:19:18 PM

KingRed
KingRed
9 years ago

We can also say goodbye gamefly. Unless they make a deal wit MS and Sony.

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

If this turns out to be true, I'm also sticking just to my PS3/360. What's the point? Why buy more disc or downloadable games if I won't be able to play them on the next hardware generation?

If this happens, I think I will switch to STEAM next gen. They have way more offers or sales, the PC can do way more than just gaming, it's upgradable and it's tax deductable. Mmm, I think I shoould have jumped a couple of years ago. 😉

Let's see how things turn out.

Crabba
Crabba
9 years ago

Highlander: 'The prospect of an 'exciting' new console being based on either technology is about as thrilling to me as going to Sears to buy a Kenmore dishwasher'

Lol, that's just hilarious.. and unfortunately true if the rumor would be correct.

Another thing, considering the new Xbox would be guaranteed to be based on the same architecture as the xbox 360 it would basically be guaranteed to have full bc compatibility, meaning they would have a SERIOUS advantage over the ps4 if the ps4 didn't….

wackazoa
wackazoa
9 years ago

Well with Quantum Dynamics saying that the PS3 still has alot of life left (seeming to indicate they intend to work with only the PS3 in the near future) and the current state of the economy, I dont see the 2013 launch date going extremely well. Not to say it wont sell, but Im sure givin the choice between a new system and a few games versus a old system with all of your old games plus some developers still producing for the PS3, I dont think the number will be great. I for one cant afford nor will I buy a new system right away.

Now if they were to do a deal with Activision whereas they put out the new PS4 and the new Call o Duty then they will sell tremendous Im sure. And I will have to somehow figure out how to get some money for the idea…. your welcome Sony.

swapnilgyani
swapnilgyani
9 years ago

Quantum Dynamics? Ah, the guys who made Hefty Snowfall…

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Wow, yeah. For me the timing is perfect. I'll plan to pick one up early 2014 when I'm done with school.

I'm really hoping the GPU is around the AMD 7850 in processing, as indicated by the Southern Islands family. While falling short of the 10x performance jump Sweeney said was necesssary to run The Samaritin Demo 1080p 30fps, a 7x jump in GFLOPS should be enough to give us that quality within reason, perhaps at a 900p res.

Anyway, it's semi-exciting. I'm really trying to buckle down my enthusiasm for the next-gen because of my personal concerns regarding the expression of the medium. Recalling the art topic, how expressively free are games if they're constrained to be formed only to popular appeal? Ultra high budget games to me seems like safe bets, a game for everyone of a target age.

wackazoa
wackazoa
9 years ago

Something else too. Bethesda has said it will expand Skyrim via DLC. But if Sony debuts a new system I tend to think that Skyrim DLC will be put on a backburner. And what of other games such as AC3 which surely is being made with DLC in mind. Or EA's new Medal of Honor. I dont think that release date is correct because to many big games are in the works and they would lose the DLC money.

marcusfrommo
marcusfrommo
9 years ago

I doubt it. At least it's not about ff7 remake rumor.

Thanks.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Can you go find the last FF7 remake rumor article for me? I can't remember one in recent memory.

Go ahead. Find it.

Or was this post just ridiculous, afterall?

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I truly hope that some of this information isn't 100% true. I'm growing to live with the fact that the used game market (and eventually Gamestop) will be radically different or go the way of the dodo next generation, but the no backwards capability as well is kind of a bummer for me. I have grown my library of games to be pretty big within a little over 2 years of owning the PS3.

After all the talking Sony/QD/NaughtyDog have done recently talking up the staying power of the PS3, I don't know why they would release a new system in such a short amount of time. Specifically a system that you can't play these un-released (and unnanounced) PS3 games on.

Have to play a wait and see approach, but at this point Sony is going to have absolutely give me more than a few reasons to buy PS4 within their "launch window", or anytime in the near future.


Last edited by jimmyhandsome on 3/28/2012 12:46:38 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Such a 'system' would be little more than a closed architecture PC. Why would Sony, of all people, do that?

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Whether it's AMD CPU, or not, I think what is important are the games. Sony has some strong franchises that few can compete with. This isn't just because of their technical prowess but an effort to make high quality gaming entertainment. I say, considering the market, it's probably best they stick to mainstream chips and put their unique efforts towards quality games.

And I'm still waiting for my Cell driven toaster ;p

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

that's all fine and well, but a PC dressed up as a console is just a PC. As soon as regular PC specs passed the console by, how could you differentiate the devices?

Aside from the fact that I think the x86 instruction set is a pig, and the architecture should have been shot a long time ago, I really will not buy a Sony badged PC claiming to be a console. I'll buy Nintendo before doing that.

richfiles
richfiles
9 years ago

@Temjin001

Yes, the games count. The games are why we buy these expensive machines… But what games will there be for the rural owners or the poor owners who must scrimp and save every penny to just afford the machine, and either live too remotely to have access to broadband, or can't afford it? They won't BE customers at all, because the new model discriminates against them.

I hate games and the companies behind them that require persistent connections with a PASSION.

I turn away HALF of my potential PC gamer customers, simply because they fail the "Do you have broadband internet?" question.

You'd also not believe the number of casual gamers and families who DON'T have internet access because they don't care about online gaming, or they don't want the kids exposed to the darker parts of the web.

The world isn't as wired as Japan, and Sony does not understand this.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Well, hopefully they figure something out for you guys, Richfiles.
I think before anyone freaks we need to wait and see what is officially announced by Sony, then the crap can hit the fan if it's ill favored.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I wouldn't be too concerned about the used-game rumors. While I'm sure there'll be some sort of measures in place to dampen it's appeal, I very much doubt we'll see the end of it all. I'm speculating something like a $5-10 fee to transfer a license from one account to the next, hopefully killing the whole online game pass thing altogether. Also, I see this just kicking back at Gamestops etc., because they'll be placed in position to lower their average used game price, at least $10-15 below NEW. So if I'm right, gamers may not be spending more for used games. The only thing that changes, is who gets what ammount of the resale. This may be healthiest for SOny afterall, perhaps allowing them to increase game budgets across the board.

telly
telly
9 years ago

I think you're on the right trail here.

Bigimpactpooch
Bigimpactpooch
9 years ago

That means I can't even barrow a game from a friend??

H0TSHELLZ
H0TSHELLZ
9 years ago

What happens to Gamefly and Redbox lol…

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

RedBox will be fine. They just barely started renting games.

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