We say Gran Turismo 5 is one of the best games out there. It tied with Heavy Rain for our Game of the Year 2010 award. And for further clarification and explanation, we explained our selection and love of GT5.

We're fairly convinced it was better than Forza 3 . But Forza 4 is here now, and unsurprisingly, it's pulling down super high review scores. Therefore, you can expect the inevitable: the comparisons between Turn 10's latest and Polyphony Digital's gem from late last year. No, we're not going to proclaim the continued greatness of GT5 in the face of this new competition; we haven't played Forza 4 . But it'll be interesting to see how the racing buffs respond, and what the hardcore driving aficionados will conclude.

When it comes to full-scale simulation, you can always expect heated debates. That's because those who play such games are die-hard lovers of the genre in question, and they're awfully passionate about it. They'll defend their choice tooth and nail, and you can anticipate plenty of highly detailed and immensely emotional debates. But as we've often said in the past, true-blue simulators are exceedingly difficult to judge, especially if the critic reviewing the game knows little about the sport. If the game goes for realism, how can non-followers correctly analyze…?

But either way, we're just trying to prepare you: the debates and arguments will come. And the thing is, GT6 is a long ways off…

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Anonymous
Anonymous
9 years ago

I don't know who Luke Reilly is so his 9.5 at IGN has no credibility with me. I think some of the Forza 4 reviews seem pretty fair this time around. I doubt Forza 4 will evolve over time. What you see is what you'll get. Of course, the paid off "journalists" who probably have ignored the many GT5 updates still think GT5 is some difficult to play racing game.

5TAY3R
5TAY3R
9 years ago

Just finished playing forza4's season 3, i swear upon my parents gt5 is a way better playing and better looking game, how come in gave this cartoon like cars a 9.5? Even the sound effects are not accurate, pure shame

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Who cares. Let the childish Xbots crow. GT has always been better than Forza and it always will be.

Anonymous
Anonymous
9 years ago

Looks like the Xbots were lying in wait for you.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Really? How so? Those idiots have been crowing that Forza is better even before GT5 had a release date. Forza could be one of the worst racing games on the planet and they would still say it was better. My point is most of them wouldn't know quality if it slapped them in the face.

Hey, nice try though.

StangMan80
StangMan80
9 years ago

Explains COD, People don't know what quality is. I mean, COD has never been the best shooter. never!

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

^ It can be argued that Call of Duty 4 was one of, if not THE, greatest first person shooter games of all time.

Just because you say it, that doesn't quite make it so.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Nas, Like wise with CoD4. 😉

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Far be it from me to comment on the racing games, as I don't really enjoy straight up racers to begin with. But I did play past forza's, and I played some GT5 as well.

But as is the case with CoD… sure, quality doesn't always win, however, "fun" often does. Granted, much of CoD's fun factor is the sheer number of people that also play it.

However, I think for the -masses-, and not the hardcore racing fans, Forza seems to be more fun because of the arcade style of play. The graphics might not be as good, it might not sound as good, and it might not be as realistic…

But since when have most gamers or critics known what the heck they are looking at? All they care about is if THEY find it fun… nevermind who it is meant for or which one has the best quality.

Edit: Based on what I did play, I can totally tell that GT5 is of better quality to any past Forza. Haven't seen the new Forza, though.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 10/11/2011 8:28:17 AM

Kevin555
Kevin555
9 years ago

Adorable rant, C+ for effort.

Out of curiosity though, have you played Forza 4 yourself? Just asking because low res Youtube videos & reviews that are evidently biased because of high scores usually aren't the best ways to base your opinion of something on. If you played it & hated it, fair enough, i'll let you off.

& whats wrong with Xbox fans crowing about Forza when PS3 fans do the same for GT?

I'd start brushing your teeth champ, you're beginning to smell like one of those fanboy trolls. & that really isn't healthy.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Kevin5
Are you talking to me? I'm the only one that had anything even slightly long enough to be a "rant"…

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Kevin5

Go visit GTPlanet (that's Gran Turismo Planet) and you'll see the Forza fans lurking around the GT boards as if they are some virtual predator ready to pounce on anything GT5 does.

It's embarrassing, really.

Yes, I have tried Forza 4, and while it's a marked improvement over Forza 3, when it comes to driving, it is still behind GT5 in on the road feel and doesn't accurately translate the true power of a vehicle such as the Corvette ZR1.

There is a reason the Gran Turismo turns video game players into real life race car drivers with GT Academy. If that isn't enough for you, go watch some footage of Kaz himself driving and winning his class at the famed 24hrs at Nurburgring.

If I were you, I would educate yourself on the lengths Kaz and PD go to ensure that Gran Turismo lives up to it's tagline – The Real Driving Simulator.

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
9 years ago

Underdog15,

I think he's referring to Jawknee.
Hahaha Jawknee, everybody has a different taste of games.


Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 10/11/2011 11:19:20 AM

rell
rell
9 years ago

nuff said.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Hmmm….I'm not even going to lie, Forza 4 looks great especially the features,. MP and car list though night racing is non existant. But I'm fine with GT5, but when it first released…there's no lie the game was some what broken. But those updates and inclusion of seasonal events were some smart choices on PT part unlike that standard car crap. I wonder what Forza 4 rides like though…either way, I want the game based off of the car list offered…that is something GT5 will never touch, well not until some DLC is released or GT6 comes out…LIFE..lol


Last edited by FM23 on 10/10/2011 9:58:58 PM

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
9 years ago

Regardless of which game is better, one thing is certain: there arent enough good racing sims out there*.

*I know there are a handful on pc, but none with a good campaign. GTR-E is great, but theres no real feeling of progress or major accomplishment.

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

You're right. You know what we haven't seen yet? A sandbox, free-roaming racing game, with simulation physics! That's something new in the market, and it's a genre that doesn't have as much games. I think it'd do great.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Hmm….Is Forza 4 better than GT5? Let's see….no.

Reviews of games have recently be the subject of much discussion, and to be perfectly frank, I don't trust many review sites further than I can comfortably spit a dead rat. I sure as heck am not going to take review scores at face value.

Forza4 appears to be a great game that aspires to be as good as GT. It's rather flattering that Forza strives to match or exceed the quality of GT5, since GT5 (and GT4 before it) set the mark. However, with the upcoming update to GT5, I don't see Forza exceeding GT5 in any meaningful manner. That's not to say it's rubbish or anything, but really, we're kind of getting to the point where you have two very, very good racing games that have slightly different areas of focus in what they do. They, how do you choose between them? Do you need to? They are console exclusives, so perhaps we should simply acknowledge that Forza 4 is a great racer, as is GT5, and with the exception of really unbalanced fans of either console, does it really matter? If it's too close to call, why call it?

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Well Highlander, I have been following the reviews, and have watched most of the video reviews available. To be honest it doesn't look bad at all, in fact it looks pretty good, and no shadow issues either.

Watching the handling and some crashes, I thought… not bad… looked pretty solid and I am sure the XBox crowd will enjoy it.

I am with you on the GT5 update. I think this will bump GT5 up again a fair amount and give it a new lick of paint so to speak. Simulation wise, from what I have been exposed to it; GT5 is rather good, especially with a wheel. I would have to play both Forza 4 and GT5 with a wheel to really be able to judge how they compare, but to people who have both consoles, I am sure they can tell us if they invest in Forza 4.

Anyway, from what I have seen video wise, visually Forza 4 looks good, can't complain there… but GT5 tops the cars with its premium set of car models I would have say.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"


Last edited by Qubex on 10/11/2011 12:44:40 AM

___________
___________
9 years ago

have you played it?
then how can you say no if you have not?
i think the best answer to which is better depends on what one wants.
if they want a sim racer thats actually fun and has other sides to it then just track racing, like the whole top gear side, the car vistas mode, the pin bowling fun on the top gear test track.
then forza would be better.
though if your looking for stale bland sim then obviously GT5 is better.
the clown, or the scientist.
the day turn 10 do a better sim then PD is the day the man moves to the sun!
but then that said, the day PD do a more fun game then turn 10 is also the day man moves to the sun!
for me forza will always be better because its actually a fun game!
its what GT 5 should of been!
its added so many features on the sim side that GT STILL does not have!
not to mention it has the light hearted fun side, when you dont want to sit there and race 100% perfectly, for when you just want to have a little fun but still be en soaked in car culture no other game gives you.
GT is like Germany, where forza is like Italy.
German cars may be more reliable, technically better.
but which ones are more beautiful?
which ones put a bigger smile on your face?
thats right, the Italian cars!
and thats why to me forza will always be the better game!
because PD will never add the fun humours side to GT, it will always be the 100% hardcore sim racer, it will always be the stern humourless German.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I wonder if blank line has a race of people he doesn't stereotype?

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

Haha, I actually think blank line is quiet entertaining. We need people like him once in awhile. You may not agree to what he says, but I actually enjoy how he puts out his points. That's what I think at least lol.

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I still can't tell if ________ puts out these ridiculous rants to get a reaction out of people or if he actually feels that way. Either way it is entertaining.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I only ever read his last couple lines. That's all I commented on, too. The middle and beginning are always too painful to put my eyes on.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 10/11/2011 9:49:39 AM

Gordo
Gordo
9 years ago

In defense of "blank", I do think that GT5 has been missing some FUN.

I bought it day 1 and played it for a month, got sick of the grinding and haven't played it since.

The menus were hideous… Trying to get into the events! You need to click event/cars/menu/garage/cars/menu/event.

Why couldn't we go into an event, see the cars that you need and buy one there and then. Don't know if they have fixed that with an update but this shows the lack of usability with its structure. It just permeated the whole game.

Then the choppy shadows, little damage, no interior views for standard cars and bouncing off the walls.

The driving was top notch but just imagine if it had all the rest as well???

So good simulation but pretty sterile and unfriendly.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Personally, I thought that the main menu and structure of the game was a let down after the way in which GT4 tied everything together in what almost amounted to a story mode. I'm not looking for a career mode where I race fr a fictional team or something. But it would be nice to see my driver rising through the ranks by attending various different racing championships at different ability levels. All that is needed is there in the game, it's just not woven together very well.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Personally, I thought that the main menu and structure of the game was a let down after the way in which GT4 tied everything together in what almost amounted to a story mode. I'm not looking for a career mode where I race fr a fictional team or something. But it would be nice to see my driver rising through the ranks by attending various different racing championships at different ability levels. All that is needed is there in the game, it's just not woven together very well.

playaplus
playaplus
9 years ago

here's me stance on this whole thing….eh….i cant really have an opinion, last GT game i played was on ps2. Barely got my 360 last year bundled w forza 3…seemed enjoyable…but one thing that irked me….and i knew this was a big forza/gt argument….the damage. I know gt has no damage and i was hoping i could turn it off on forza 3 which i couldnt….couldnt stand to see a nice car….1st place…w a dent. If I want to race and have a bashed in care…wouldnt i just get need for speed or burnout….yea I dont think I need to say that I passed on this forza…

NoOneSpecial
NoOneSpecial
9 years ago

I tried the Forza demo today, and if the final product is anything like the demo, I'm disappointed.The graphics and overall handling were not on par with gt5, and I sort of expected as much.Btw,anyone see that polyphony digital is offering the Red Bull X2 Sebastian Vettel for free?

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Wait how do you get the X1? Do they just send it to you by the truck thing in the game?

I have an X1 Prototype but not the other ones.


Last edited by Clamedeus on 10/10/2011 10:48:23 PM

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Wait never mind I got it, it was in the Gift section.

___________
___________
9 years ago

your totally missing the point of forza!
it will NEVER have better physics and graphics then GT, but thats the point!
its suppose to be a much more fun game, it was never ever going to compete with GT5, it was never suppose to.
its not as hardcore sim, turn 10 have said countless times they dont want to do a truly hardcore sim because theres a very small market for that.
they want to do a racing game that is sim, but no where near as sim as GT because not allot of people enjoy that.
they want to do a cross between NFS and GT, thats what forza 4 is suppose to be.
going into this expecting GT5 of course your going to be disappointed!

Hynad
Hynad
9 years ago

@___________: No market for a pure hardcore racing sim… Yeah, right.

That must be why Forza is selling more than Gran Turismo, right?

…wait.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

@___

Everyone has a different way of having fun, there will always be people out there who enjoy hardcore racing sims. Just because you don't, doesn't mean there isn't.

Lotusflow3r
Lotusflow3r
9 years ago

I get what you're saying LineMan, but if you think there's no market for hardcore sims, check the sales figures for GT5.

GT5 is the only game of it's kind on the market, there are many racers that try to be the most fun….you know?

___________
___________
9 years ago

i said turn 10 dont want to do that type of game because they believe theres a much smaller market for it.
i did not say thats what i think.
and of course GT is going to sell well, its freaking GT!
no matter how small or niche the genre is, its playstations best selling franchise so i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion 5 would well well.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

"__________"

Are you sure you are talking about Forza? Turn 10 claims to be the ultimate simulator, when clearly it's not.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

A friend of mine who is a car enthusiast had this to say between Forza 3 and GT5 (before Forza 4 was even announced)

Forza is a great game, has very stylish menus, lots of content, but only about half the cars of GT. Not only that, but a Volkswagon (forget which model) in Forza handles nothing like in reality.

GT, on the other hand, has cluttered menus and longer loading times, but heaps more content and realistic handling of the cars. My friend tried the same Volkswagon model in GT5 and said it handled much more realistically and in much the same way that reviewers said it would.

GT5 is better for complete authenticity and realism in racing games. It also offers night time racing and alternate weather races which just looks so incredibly pretty in 1080p, something Forza does not have.

However, Forza has Jeremy Clarkson narrating this time round, an Autovista mode that lets you check out certain supercars in incredible detail, AND has better environmental graphics compared to GT5. (The cars' graphics look the same between both)
Forza also has better representation of the Top Gear track in Forza 4, and the latest and greatest supercars and sports cars of 2010 and 2011 will all be in there.

As for the people debating which is better? GROW UP!!

Yes, both are very good racing games, but if you have a 360, buy Forza 4. If you have a PS3, buy GT5. If you have both, wait for both games to come down in price and get both for the price of one 6 months from now!!

Anyways, for the sake of argument, a car enthusiast from anywhere around the world (particularly Japan or Europe) will most likely go GT5. American car enthusiasts are most likely to go Forza 4 since it is newer, exclusive to 360 (The preferred NA console), has 2010 and 2011 supercars and sports cars that GT5 doesn't have on disc, AND has better representation of the Top Gear track along with Jeremy Clarkson lending his voice.

Hopefully the cars will handle more realistically than in Forza 3, otherwise it's just another flashy racing game with better content than car physics. (Car physics being the whole point of these racing simulators)

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

How does it have better representation of the Top Gear track? It's an airfield with the course laid out with a few lines on the road and some orange traffic cones. It is what it is, and lookes pretty much as it does in GT5 and on TV. What, do they have cheesy "Top Gear" banners or something?

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

@Highlander

From what I see from reviews, mini-games, drag events, and Jeremy's Clarkson's voice. I think it's not so much representation of the Top Gear track, but how they implemented the Top Gear series into the game.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Daus26 is right.

You can race the little hatchback from the show on the Top Gear track and try to beat the best times celebrities tend to strive for on the show.

Not to mention drag races along the airstrip, mini-games, multiplayer events which I'm sure will be created for it, and so on.

I heard GT5 only had 2 or 3 types of races you can do on the Top Gear track and none of them are representative of how the track is used on the show.

It just seems Forza 4 is all about star power, pretty features and loads of content, while actual car physics and number of cars you can collect is significantly less than that of GT5.

Plus, with GT5 getting the big update including interior view for all cars and new 2010 and 2011 cars as DLC, hopefully this will be compared to Forza 4 and not the release version of GT5.

___________
___________
9 years ago

thats EXACTLY why forza is better!
GT does everything half a$$ed!
dammage half a$$ed!
cars half a$$ed! (how many cars are crappy ps2 models?)
tracks half a$$ed!
top gear implementation half a$$ed!
turn 10 bite off 10 things and do them pretty well.
PD bite off 1000 things and do them pretty averagely!
thats another reason why forza will always be better.
you will never see turn 10 using old last gen models in a next gen game!

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

@blankline

Lol, I may have to agree with you at some of the points except for a few. For one, I really think that PD did try to do too much with their content and features. It was a bit of bad management and final decision it seems, which resulted in very long developmental times especially being a small development team like PD.

Other than that, tracks aren't really half-done, for a better word. I mean how are they exactly?The one thing that you also have to appreciate for a simulation game is that PD at least got the physics consistent, even on the standard cars.

And just because they did less things well, doesn't make it a better game, as that's very subjective. GT5 is probably the better simulator, and for sure the more advance game. On the other hand, FM4 is the one with less features, lesser physics, but the more complete game. I don't see how that can translate to which game is better. I'd say to just leave it by preference.

___________
___________
9 years ago

thats exactly what ive been saying, depends on what your looking for.
i just wish M$ would let logitech release a update to make the G27 compatible with it!
only wheel that works with it is their cheap piece of sh*t, or a fanatec wheel cant remember which one but its over 600 bucks!

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

I get that part of your point, but in your post above, you mentioned that Forza will always be better than GT.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

You made the assertion that the top Gear track was a better representation in Forza4, and yet you can say this when asked to illustrate?

"I heard GT5 only had…"

So, you make a categorical statement about one game being better than another – which you've not played.

As for racing the little hatchback they use in the show, you can race any car you want around the top Gear track in time trial mode to see what your fastest lap time is. Any car in the GT library of cars, including lots of little hatchbacks. Oh, and BTW, the car used for the 'star in a reasonably priced car' segment is updated fairly regularly, I believe that there have been three different ones in the last 5 years or so.

Having Jeremy Clarkson's voice is net entirely a plus point. Don't get me wrong, I really like Jezza, but in a serious racing sim? Jezza is not entirely the most serious person involved with Top Gear, actually he may be the least serious. So if you're claiming to be a racing sim, why would you use Jeremy Clarkson? Ah, yes, the name value. One upping GT by having the 'big name' associated with the game.

I could see Clarkson working in the game if he was the voice that introduced each of the cars with an appropriate sardonic take on the el-cheapo models and effusive gushing about the V12 monsters. But Other than that? Nah.

StangMan80
StangMan80
9 years ago

GT5 2.0 😀 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care what others say, if they would rather play that piece of **** then let them be. I'll just laugh at them and be playing the best simulator to hit a video game console, Gran Turismo. Thanks Kaz! 😀

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

I'm sorry but when you can rewind a race you lose your simulation status. I trust a professional driver over people who just try to create a game.

main_event05
main_event05
9 years ago

I always thought Forza was a bit "arcade-y". I've never seen it or played so someone fill me in please.

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

Playing FM3, definitely. I haven't tried FM4 yet. I'm waiting on my friend to get it, so I can try it myself.