I think we're all losing sight of what matters. This whole Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3 mess has gotten ugly fast and to be honest, I think we're all avoiding the crux of the issue.

Now, I could've sworn that our industry was about entertainment. If that remains true, we should be looking at the potential fun factor of upcoming games, right? Quality is always a consideration but then again, most productions that suffer from low-quality elements aren't any fun. And if we focus on that little three-letter word, I'm wondering if most of the arguments wouldn't disappear… We should probably refocus.

Who cares which one is better than the other? Who cares which one sells more? And why is it suddenly EA vs. Activision? Call of Duty has become a popular scapegoat but is it really accurate to assume that MW3 will be a bad game? If we look at it from a logical standpoint, will shooter fans be disappointed with either BF3 or MW3? Granted, they may like one more than the other, but what are the chances that either title disappoints? Those who despise the genre won't like these games, but that's never going to change. Personal preferences do exist.

At the end of the day, I sincerely doubt that either title in question will be a dud. I like a good shooter every now and then and while I have my problems with certain franchises (like CoD), I generally enjoy myself when reviewing such games. Can't we just put aside the bickering and accept that Activision and EA will probably put forth great games this fall? They may not be for everyone and I don't agree that MW3 should be the biggest title of the year, but I'm willing to bet I'll have fun. With both.

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matt99
matt99
9 years ago

I've been waiting for someone to say this. Thank you.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

Fully agreed.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Meh, if I see my friend eating a $hit sandwich I'm going to attempt to stop him and give him the delicious prime rib I'm having. It saddens me that some of my friends wont be joining me in BF3 but rather continuing the same BS they've been doing for years in MW.

The success the MW series has seen is not good for the gaming industry. Average quality should not be rewarded with the numbers MW has received.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I thought about getting BF3 and I recently got a decent internet speed that will allow me to game online. If you can get past the thoughts like 'my God why is he gaming', I might play some with you.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

LOL, dude you're one of the best gamers I know (in regards to the fact you play so many games and seem to finish a vast majority of them). I'd be honored to play with you.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

It's a deal then.

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

I assume you fellas will be playing it on PS3 rather than PC? Silly question given the site, I know, but I'm hoping for a few people on here to take it up on PC. I can't use a controller to play an FPS to save my life.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I'm getting it for PC, I only play FPS on PC. I assumed you were already aware of this tes which is why I didn't mention it.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I'm aware now, so count me out. I'm getting it for the ps3. We can make it WKC II, perhaps.


Last edited by tes37 on 8/24/2011 10:42:21 PM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Ugh…there goes my happiness for the night. Ya, I'm going to get WKCII Day1, I got the last one Day1 and I've heard they've fixed some issues I had with the MP.

I'm getting the new Sony wireless headset, you should check it out. It isn't available till Oct. 1st for $100.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I saw that new headset and I have plans to get it. I do have the original ps3 headset to use until it releases. It doesn't have a decent volume level in my opinion, so I've been waiting for something different. The 7.1 surround is the feature I'm most interested in though.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Ya I currently have a non wireless usb headset for my PS3. It's not very good, I was playing Red Dead MP earlier tonight and it was messing up so I went ahead and preordered the new 7.1 headset.

You better play WKC MP with me or I'm going to get pissy. I'm sure Highlander and Underdog will be on too.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I'll play for sure. I played WKC online with people I was unfamiliar with. I won't back out when the time comes.

That's really too bad about BF3, but it may be best anyway since my FPS library consists of KZ3 only.

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

I wish I could get it on my PC, I just don't have a powerful enough PC. (sigh)

MyWorstNightmar
MyWorstNightmar
9 years ago

Looking forward to trying WKC for the first time. Been biding my time to buy it since WKC2 will have the original with it.

Godslim
Godslim
9 years ago

but casual gamers dont give a hoot about the gameing industry they just wanna play a fun game……i couldnt care less about act or ea…….in fact i'll probably get both games as the both look good

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

We'll be making a WKC2 PSXE guild, if you guys are interested. So far, it looks like Duomaxwell, Highlander, me, and World are all taking part. The more the merrier!

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

wtf, how was I not invited!

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

@underdog

i'll join, i see you guys playing online but i forgot how to do those party stuff.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I'll join a PSXE guild.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

I know I'll be having fun with BF3. Most of my friends are going for MW but there are a few that I'll be able to team up with on BF.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I'll be there, brau.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

You don't get this kind of immature, nasty rivalry with RPGs. Just sayin.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I'm listening to the FFXII soundtrack, I pretty much only listen to RPG soundtracks when I'm at my computer…gawd I'm an RPG whore.

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

Speaking of RPGs, I noticed Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny listed for PS3 on Amazon with a Sept. 27th release date. Is anyone interested in that one??? o.O


Last edited by Claire C on 8/24/2011 10:16:50 PM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

KH style gameplay (which isn't really my cup of tea) but it does look interesting. Thanks for the find, I just looked it up on amazon and youtube

Listed at $50 too, I added it to my wishlist.


Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 8/24/2011 10:20:54 PM

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

Dude, Dragon Quest is TOTALLY better than Final Fantasy. FF is for n00bs. Pwnd.

….yeah, it doesn't quite work, does it?

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I assume you're using a MW thesaurus?

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

I guess Rune Factoy is sort of a mix between Dark Cloud and Harvest Moon. Looks good to me. =)

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Oh gawd don't get me started on Dark Cloud. Dark Cloud 2 is one of my favorite games. Hard to believe it's been almost 9 years. Level5 has been pissing me off this generation.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Hmm lets see… Suikoden is for wimps who need 6 whole people in their party to get anything done. I can womp the biggest bad guy ever with just 3 in Final Fantasy.

Yeah that sounds stupid.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

I need to finish Dark Cloud 2. Sadly, the piece of paper I had in the case with all the recipes I found in game, is gone from the case so I have to start all over 🙁

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Geo I lost a little respect for you. Unless you're under the age of 3 you should have completed DarkCloud2 by now.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

Lol. My memory card that had my save on it way back when, was destroyed and I never bothered to start it up again after that. I was about 3/4 the way through it or so from what I've seen in guides and such.

Pandacastro
Pandacastro
9 years ago

Do I have to play the other rune games to get the story?

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

I really doubt it.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
9 years ago

Speechless Battle is one of my fav tracks off the FFXII soundtrack. What better way of saying 'hey, run! you cant win!!' than that track?

Esper Battle is dope too, in fact, i adopted it as my theme music should i ever grace a video game. Nerdy? hell yeah


Last edited by aaronisbla on 8/25/2011 5:07:47 AM

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
9 years ago

Like the rest of the game I did not find FF12's soundtrack memorable. IX on the other hand's is spectacular.

As for Dark Cloud, I am very curious to play them, I watched a review on them both recently and they look very interesting. My question to those who have played them, are they story driven as from what I have seen there is more of a stronger empthasis of the town sim aspect. I'd like to know what I am getting myself in for as the UK version is a rarity and is expensive.

Syn
Syn
9 years ago

Who cares which one is better than the other?

Aside from people trying to sway their friends to play with them and nerd ragers or trolls trying to making their E-Peen just a little bit bigger, and the companies selling it… no one.

Who cares which one sells more?

EA and Activision, which is why they would try to make the public as aware of the pre-order info as possible, so that you can filter it to PSXExtreme and the community here will go "Wow! Is MW3 really that far ahead in Pre-Orders? It must be a better game."

And why is it suddenly EA vs. Activision?

…srsly? Cmn.

Call of Duty has become a popular scapegoat but is it really accurate to assume that MW3 will be a bad game?

…srsly? …no, it wont be, unless, as you said, the genre doesn't cater to you.

If we look at it from a logical standpoint, will shooter fans be disappointed with either BF3 or MW3? Granted, they may like one more than the other, but what are the chances that either title disappoints?

I think my brain just exploded, too much rephrasing of questions on a simple topic.

Pick the style of FPS you prefer:

Squad-Based, Large Maps, Vehicles

Run-And-Gun, Fast Paced

As much as I love this site, I'm sick of articles about BF3 Vs MW3, and THEN articles about everyone else being sick of the conflict, I know it gets reads and responses, hell I just wrote one, but Ben… you know the answers to these questions, and you know we do too. So please do me a favor, and take this conflict out back like ol' yeller.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

The articles aren't just for us, they are for new readers too.

And I'd prefer to have the better game were I to choose.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I'm a shooter fan and the entire MW series has been disappointing me since 2007.

You forgot to add autoaim and prevalent hacks/cheating to the list for MW.

Articles like this get traffic and honestly I'm not tired of discussing it with other MW haters.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

If you have a problem with the article, don't post. If you have a problem with the way we do things, don't post.

And if you'd like to compare the number of BF3/MW3 articles we've done compared to ANY other significant source, feel free. I believe the ratio would be about 10:1, as I think I've done a grand total of three articles on the subject.

And if you hadn't noticed, we have to produce articles people want to read, and that goes beyond the established readership. Bottom line? Please don't lecture me on how to do my job.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

You tell 'em, Ben!!

🙂

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I think people have "hate" for the other game because, like anything in this crazy world, they look for ways to justify their purchase. No one wants to admit a game they didn't buy is better than the one they are buying.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

I'm sorry Ben, but your post is very wrong.

It's his opinion. If he doesn't like something (like your article), he should be able to voice his opinion and say why he doesn't like it. Same goes with his thoughts on how we do things here.

That's what the Internet and message boards are about, right? Freedom of speech and discussions.

You're coming off very egotistical right now.


Last edited by Nas Is Like on 8/25/2011 1:24:19 PM

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

@ Nas

I agree with you….yesterday my critique of his editorial was met with belittlement and cronies saying "tell 'em ben!" and/or "ben owned you!".

I think the basis of an editorial is to create discussion, which may or may not include differing of opinions or disagreements…..which includes the editorial itself.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Discussion is about the article. Period. We don't have comments so people can come in and lecture on the site content. You want to do that, send an e-mail.

This editorial is designed to get people talking about the subject presented. If you don't want to talk about it, DON'T POST. I think the danger of getting close to readers, as we have done, is that readers suddenly think we owe them something beyond what we owe the general public. They also think they can dictate the content we provide.

Comments are to discuss the article at hand. It's not difficult to comprehend.

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I don't think you owe me or anyone anything, nor am I trying to dictate content on the site. Can't speak for Syn but he seems to sick of the "MW3 vs BF3" topics, and of people complaining about the "MW3 vs BF3" topics….just a little criticism. I think you took it a little personal judging by your response. I don't think anyone was telling you how to do your job. If you reported on another developer saying that the industry "needed next gen consoles sooner rather than later" and readers said "I'm so sick of hearing about this crap!" would you tell them to not click and post on the articles?

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Jimmy, if you want to continue this with Ben I suggest you do it in private. It's cramping my style.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Jimmy: No, that's not what he said. It was a post specifically related to the content at PSXE, not a general, "I'm sick of hearing about this" comment. Read it again.

On top of which, it's completely incorrect. Being "sick of hearing" about BF3 and MW3 at this site is an absurd sentiment. As I said before, I think I've done a grand total of three editorials all YEAR on the subject. Are we supposed to ignore the biggest subject in gaming right now just because some readers find it annoying?

As I said, we are not catering to only one group.