It's starting to get tired. It really, really is.

For most of the generation, Microsoft and Xbox 360 fans have continued to point to sales figures to prove their favorite system's superiority. Of course, they use those sales to imply the quality of software is better, especially when comparing those numbers to sales of PlayStation 3 exclusive titles.

And then you get ridiculous headlines that continue to push the absurdity of the situation. Nothing is taken into account besides the numbers themselves. Nothing. 360 fans will crow about the 11 million in sales for Halo 3 in comparison to the 2 million for Killzone 3 . …really? We're comparing the established, insanely loyal Halo fans to Killzone ? And it doesn't matter that Halo is the AAA exclusive for Microsoft? I suppose it also doesn't matter that the 360 fan base has always preferred shooters to just about anything else?

And when it comes to hardware figures, nobody has ever once considered the number of systems that have died and been replaced by the same consumer. As of now, the PS3 isn't far behind the 360 in terms of worldwide sales, but given the catastrophic failure rate for the 360 during its first four years of existence, the sales numbers are obviously skewed. How many new consumers are there? Do you know anyone that hasn't had a 360 die on them? Hell, I don't know anyone who hasn't had at least two die. This is hardly a difficult observation to make.

But getting back to the software, let's say one final thing- considering the 360 doesn't really have much in the way of exclusives, especially in comparison to the PS3, is it any real surprise to see 360 exclusives sell? They rarely even exist so yeah, I'd jump on an exclusive when it shows up, too. I'm getting Gears of War 3 …is there some other 360 exclusive this year that I'm missing? Is there even one ? So because Gears 3 sells more than Killzone 3 , Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception , inFamous 2 , and LittleBigPlanet 2 , that somehow means the 360 has superior software?

Okay, sure. Guess you don't have much else to crow about these days.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Deathb4Dishonor
9 years ago

Of course they'll sell more than anything…. In all honest truth, Gears series and Halo is the only thing Microsofts' got going for them… And Alan Wake but i don't think that franchise will stay exclusive for long

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I think MS has done well this generation because they did a few things right that have little to nothing to do with making good games.

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

Xbox fanboys only know one thing: shooter games. If they were given a choice between shooting or girls, they probably choose to shoot the girls.

Helghast
Helghast
9 years ago

@Godsman
Thumbs up for making me laugh.

theReigen
theReigen
9 years ago

a single alan wake game is not a franchise

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Ben is aaaa venting!

I'm too old to care about numbers anymore, I'm just happy the PS3 is doing well enough to exist and that Sony continues to give me what I want from gaming (great games).

Just ignore the BS Ben, which I'm sure you do for the most part.

Xombito
Xombito
9 years ago

Exactly how I feel.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

He might be reacting to the psychos who didn't like his youtube episode that clearly showed 360 has barely any exclusives to speak of, let alone compared to the PS4's library.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/24/2011 2:36:02 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

World: I actually haven't heard any backlash from that. Besides, it had to be done.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

We had a 360 fanboy in here a bit ago that was upset, then there's youtube comments. But I know you are too busy to read ALL comments.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

I am right with you Vertigo. I don't care anymore. I have the PS3 and it works just fine for me.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

That's the right attitude, LV.
I totally agree. What does it matter, really, as long as we get what we want from it. That's what it's all about.

Excellent post.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

The comments on that link you provided are ripping the author to shreds. People see through such ridiculousness when it's that extreme. The author used Left for Dead 2 as if it were a 360 exclusive. lol

I'm not worried about it.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Always hated the argument that a game not on the PS3 is automatically a 360 exclusive even if it's on the PC as well. I'm a perfect example of how wrong that is. I own a majority of these so called "360 exclusives" for the PC and I haven't had a 360 for close to 3 years.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I have to say, now that I have gaming capable laptop again, 360's world has all of sudden become a lot smaller.

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

The commenters were awesome! lol

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

lol, yeah, I checked the comments too. Some hilarious stuff there.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Do people count DC Universe Online as a PS3 exclusive?

If the logic of 360 fans is anything to go by, then yes, DC Univserse Online is a PS3 exclusive. ūüėõ

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

That has always been my point about the software. The ps3 consumer base has such diverse tastes and we are rewarded with diverse games so we don't all have to buy the one exclusive that is coming out this year.

SoulController
SoulController
9 years ago

Sony & PS3 = a large supermarket. MS & the 360 are a deli..lol


Last edited by SoulController on 8/24/2011 4:28:25 PM

WolfCrimson
WolfCrimson
9 years ago

You know, I invented a saying for a situation similar to this: "The bray of a donkey is like music to other donkeys."

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I feel I should say something about Shrek

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

That'll do, donkey. That'll do.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

The 360 is the poorest engineered gaming hardware in exisestence. Seriously, they're now the first system provider that would have me avoid a launch model because I can't trust the quality of it's design.

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

Good point. Even if the Xbox 720 intrigued me a little I wouldn't be caught dead buying it at launch. =P

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I have to say, if I'm not making bank by then, there's no way I could buy it either. At least until a consesus is formed that the hardware isn't garbage.

EDIT: yeah I have a thing today for saying " I have to say"
=p


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/24/2011 1:32:04 PM

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

With MS, I always wait 2 years for them to work out the kinks.

So glad I waited with the 360. 3 of my friends have gone through 3 consoles each now, and they bought theirs in the first few months of release.

Same goes with me. Next Xbox will be a 2 year wait before purchasing.

Oxvial
Oxvial
9 years ago

Typical bragging rights situation, better don't care about that.

Some MS fanboys luv to brag about the success of Kinect over move, and one minute later complain at how much MS focus on the Kinect instead of doing hardcore games, lol.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

All the "sales" of Kinect prove is how good MS is at marketing/giveaways. The honeymoon is over now though and people realize it's an expensive dust collector.

Oxvial
Oxvial
9 years ago

This comic was very prophetic at that.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=294

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

lol

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Haha, that's amazing.

Crabba
Crabba
9 years ago

lol, hilarious!!

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

Wasn't really expecting to see this type of fanboy rant on this website. Fanboys are dumb no matter what system they support. Who cares about sales figures? People who appreciate the GAMES certainly don't go showboating sales figures around. No offense but making editorials like this isn't much better than what MS fanboys do.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Evaluating how the industry assesses sales figures and assigns 'success' is a valid subject for analysis though.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Yeah, I'm with Highlander here 100%. There's a difference between starting up a flame war without provocation, and making commentary on how the journalism of the industry evaluates success.

I'm not sure it's wise never to challenge such a lack of foresight, as Ben did, if any of us hope for a little more journalistic integrity in the industry.

If you are so much against fanboyism, shouldn't you also consider such critiques a move in the right direction? It seems to me you are fighting against exactly what you stand for.

We have voices for a reason.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 8/24/2011 1:49:30 PM

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I'm not fighting against anything, just making an observation. Fanboyism isn't going away no matter what arguments you bring to the table. Arguing with fanboys or presenting facts is pointless as they constantly defy all things logical. Ben's rant seems directed at fanboys more so journalism or "the way the industry is headed".

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

YOU come up with something meaningful to editorialize every friggin day. GAH!

Besides, I think I know where Ben is coming from after years of reading his stuff because I'm the same way. When people are wrong and keep on talking, they need to be TOLD they are wrong.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/24/2011 2:46:34 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

jimmy: Don't be so sensitive. It's an editorial and I AM allowed to have an opinion. Constantly focusing on the word "fanboy" is your own problem; I never mentioned the word in the article, and I'm only referring to those who misconstrue sales data, which is often misrepresented by various sources.

You're just desperately trying to find drama where there isn't any and unfortunately, we've all been taught to do that due to the childishness of the gaming community.

SoulController
SoulController
9 years ago

@jimmy Damn bruh. Owned..

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I guess I just don't see the point of addressing these idiot "microsoft fans" (not fanboys) with an editorial. Its not like they're going to be enlightened.

Dog days of summer, I guess.


Last edited by jimmyhandsome on 8/24/2011 4:42:00 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

With that attitude, everything written about groups of people who won't change is pointless.

…goodbye to all political pieces.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/24/2011 6:10:55 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I do think the media exists in part to call the culture into question.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

jimmyhandsome

I thought it was a good, thought-provoking article, and one that makes for interesting conversation in the comments section.

Are you aware this is a Playstation-centric site too?

I'm with Ben and Highlander here, 360 sales numbers seem to be all the 360 fanboys have to throw in Playstation fans faces. There's hardly any quality exclusives, Gold subscriber numbers are woefully low compared to frequent PSN users, yet console sales and exclusive title sales are higher? Good question to investigate why this is.

360 is lacking exclusives, whereas Sony is flooded with them. Does not surprise me one bit that 2 or 3 AAA exclusives sell more on 360 than, say, GT5, Uncharted 2 or God of War 3. However, take all sales of PS3 exclusives and compare them to sales of 360 exclusives. You might notice PS3 exclusives have higher sales all up, they're just spread over more games than the few 360 exclusives.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

@Dancemachine: The 360 guys keep nagging about the sales numbers just like the PS3 guys keep nagging about the exclusives. Nothing new, nothing will change and best thing is just to ignore it.
I'm with Jimmy and LV here.

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

"Are you aware this is a Playstation-centric site too?"

No, I wasn't. Thanks for the update though.

Like Beamboom said, its a never ending cycle of idiotic behavior that should just be ignored…

MS fan: "lolz, ps3 exclusives don't sell as well as xbox exclusives!!"
Sony fan: "oh, yea well thats because you guys have 2 good games!!!"

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

*facepalm*

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I don't normally put stock into downvotes, but I'm just trying to figure out what idiot could disagree with World's comment about media calling culture into question. Grass is green, the sky is blue, and World is 100% right. Who in the world could disagree with that statement?

*insert bewildered facial expression here*


Last edited by Underdog15 on 8/25/2011 1:24:05 PM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

hahaha, now there's 3 idiots

WYO1016
WYO1016
9 years ago

My 360 has yet to die on me, but it doesn't get a whole lot of use. Mass Effect, Gears, and Alan Wake are the only things it's ever been turned on for.