No need to introduce fancy, expensive new hardware when the "old" hardware has a ways to go, right?

A common question these days involves the next generation, and when Sony and Microsoft will bring new consoles to the market. But Sony has been quite firm in their responses to such a question: they're just not ready yet.

Sony worldwide studios boss Shuhei Yoshida told Eurogamer that the company will "seriously consider" launching the PS4 when developers can't make increasingly better games with the PS3. Then, and only then, will Sony look into the next PlayStation. And for now, most developers agree that a new machine isn't immediately necessary, although many designers have expressed a desire to see more capability from a new console. But they're in the minority.

Yoshida says this just isn't the time.

"Gamers always need something new and more exciting. If they're seeing just similar types of games coming year after year, they will quickly lose their interest. Looking like that, when you see games coming out on PS3, both the traditional type of games as well as new kind of games using PS Move, there is a lot more we can do from the game development standpoint.

So as long as we and our developers can create new experiences that are more exciting to consumers, I see no need to transition into newer generation."

And you know, it could take a while before the majority of developers claim they've done everything they can do with the PS3. It took nearly seven years before we saw the best of the best on the PS2, and some designers still say they could've gotten more out of that platform. Is the PS3 really any different? And besides, who wants a PS4 right now, anyway?

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DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

This is good news to me because I'm just not ready for a new system. I use to always be excited for a new system but these days the PS3 is doing just great for me.

I do have the Vita that will fill my need for something new.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Me too, I was always ready for the next console. I don't know if it's because I'm older and set in my ways or what but I right now I feel like the PS3 has gotten about %50 of the love and attention it deserves so why leave it in the dust already ya know?

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

Agree.

josephps3
josephps3
9 years ago

I'm totally content and happy with the PS3. There may be better graphics on the PC but the PS3 is great too. Its good enough. They just have to improve gameplay and story.

Perhaps by 2014-2015, the PS3 graphics will look dated in comparison to its comtemporaries. So if a new console will be needed by 2014-2015, Sony needs to have a prototype ready and in developer's hands by 2013. Give them a year to learn and announce it 2014 and show some game teasers and release it Christmas 2014.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Hopefully Sony isn't waiting for the third parties to take it to the "max" because that day will probably never come considering the landscape.
I can at least look forward to Uncharted 3 stretching the virtual limits of the Ps3 through the more concentrated efficiency Naughty Dog will no doubt deliver. Sadly, Sony's premium efforts account for a modest portion of PS3's total software offerings. Hopefully Yoshida isnt assuming that the majority of devs are going to, or care to, as they don't appear to, "max" the PS3.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

You kiddin' me? Multiplat devs don't even have the slightest hope in the world of maxing the thing. They can't even understand it yet!

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Yeah, after seeing the most recent UC3 gameplay on gametrailers…I can see the PS3 ahs alot of juice left in it…I can only imagine what the next GOW will look like and even play like.

Danny007
Danny007
9 years ago

I like the sound of this. Thanks for understanding Sony. 🙂

shadowpal2
shadowpal2
9 years ago

There we go! That's what I wanted to hear. I seriously felt it truly is way too early for a PS4. Besides…if the PS4 came out, there wouldn't be much room for PS3 & PS Vita compatibility would there? Of course…I guess they could design the PS4 to be compatible with PS Vita…but…seriously…no one has taken PS3 to its limit yet.

I have a feeling that Uncharted 3 will do well in pushing the PS3…but we shall all see in the developer interview afterwards.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I think when things DO go into the next generation and we say "But look at what PS3 achieved late in its life cycle" Uncharted 3 will be the first, early example of the top of the tier of what was an unbelievable achievement.

BIGRED15
BIGRED15
9 years ago

Woa wait a minute! I thought I heard someone say it was Maxed out already… Lol

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Maybe for some devs, but until "The Strongest Warrior" game looks comparable to GoW3 don't get excited for a PS4. Sony will need to wait for them to catch up before we can move on =p
Let's just hope "we and our developers" doesn't include their third parties, otherwise it may be a very, very long wait 😉


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/22/2011 11:41:55 AM

totozero18
totozero18
9 years ago

@Bigred No no, that was the Xbox 🙂


Last edited by totozero18 on 8/22/2011 11:46:09 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

They all said that except the first party devs, they said it because their games are full of junk code that's there to keep the PS3 from being bored while playing their last-gen games 🙂

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

Happy to see you back BIGRED.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

The release of the PS4 has as much to do with what the competitors are doing then tapping out the graphics power of the PS3.

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
9 years ago

I like my ps3 just fine thank you.
Drake's fortune still looks better than most multi plats.

I sense something,something i have not felt since……..

leatherface
leatherface
9 years ago

remember the Force is around us, it penetrates us.


Last edited by leatherface on 8/22/2011 12:43:25 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I don't wanna be penetrated.

SixSpeedKing
SixSpeedKing
9 years ago

@ World you made lmao with that.

@Carlos I agree PS3 still has a ways to go with the multiplat developpers. I'm definitely satisfied with the PS3 for at least a few more years.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

As exciting as the PS4 sounds, I am in no hurry for one. I am still waiting for the PS3 games outside of the exclusives to do exactly what Sony says.

Max the PS3 out first!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Sony is not going to talk up the PS4 in the run up to the Vita launch. 2012 is the year of Vita. Look for a PS4 announcement in late 2012 (Autumn) and a late autumn release in 2013.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I think it will be a year later than you predict, hype in 2012, announcement 2013, release in 2014.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I would prefer a year later myself. But 2013 is a *long* time for a piece of hardware, even one as advanced as PS3 is/was, to remain current. That's 7 full years. Waiting through to 2014 would be 8. Tech evolves generations roughly once every 18 months. 6 years is 4 generations, 7 is going on 5, and 8 is 5+ generations. Considering how processor power and GPU power increases with each generation, 5+ generations is an eternity. Would you buy a PC from 2003 today? Even if it was top of the range in 2003, it'd barely register as a base model today (if at all). Ps3 is obviously a slightly different case, but still, 8 years is an eternity in hardware terms.

All that said, I prefer 2014 because of many things;

1) Nintendo is catching up to PS3 in 2012, so in 2014, whatever Sony puts out would make Nintendo look toy like – again.
2) 2014 gives an additional year for PS3 to mature and for the hardware in the eventual PS4 to evolve and more importantly for manufacturing to mature. Sony had rough times with PS3 because Cell was so hard to make in 2006. I think they'll want the new CPU & GPU to be more mature in manufacturing terms.
3) More time for System software to be planned, implemented and tested, time for new games to be written, time for Vita to establish itself. time for experimentation with Vita connectivity, in other words, more time = good.
4) Going in 2014 lets Sony build a business plan for the PS4 that is not predicated on outselling everybody else, but instead is targeted at making PS4 profitable in it's own right, regardless of the rest of the market. Establishing Vita and PS3 deeply in the market, builds a foundation based on the continuity of services and software offered through PSN. Continuity of service = customer loyalty with hardware purchases.
5) Potentially allows Sony to see how both IBM and Nintendo want to play the next round of the video game cycle.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

As always with technology I defer to you, the only reason I think it might go the way I think it might is because consoles and all that comes with them are getting too expensive (for the makers) to replace them with new generations as fast as they used to.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

That's a REALLY good point. I don't think I've ever spent as much on consoles and games until the PS3, and definitely the longer we go until PS4, the more value I get from that investment.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Highlander, I agree with you on the majority of your points. All I have to say is maybe a minority of tech heads may want newer hardware now and may compliment their PS3's with new gaming laptops or gaming rigs. There are people with money who are happy to have the best of both worlds… why not. It gives you more choice and better experiences all around.

I was saying to Temjin that work will purchase a new laptop for me early next year… an 8gig monster, with an i7 quad core processor and latest NVIDIA GPU. This will be great to have simply because it will be free. It will give me another perspective on gaming and enjoy multi-platform titles at a higher fidelity; and of course enjoy exclusives on my PS3.

On the PS3 side specifically. I am easy either way. If a PS4 was released tomorrow I would probably get it. If it is released in 3 years time I will have a laptop and PS3 to give me the best choice possible.

I am not interested in a WiiU and will probably not be interested in an xBox720. I believe Sony will push the bar again for the PS4, but we will have to see what they actually come out with in the end. Interesting times indeed…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

PS3addict
PS3addict
9 years ago

I only hope to see more RAM in the system once the PS4 is released. Several articles are stating that the limited RAM in the PS3 is the reason why cross game chat is not possible in the PS3. Once a game grabs the RAM, it never releases it, and this is by design.

This is not a feature that I see as "Must have", but it would make a lot of people happy and would also reduce the bad mouthing by others as well.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Yeah, that's how I feel too.

PS4 will definitely have it. They won't ignore consumer feedback like that. It'd be easy for them to put in PS4, too. No brainer.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I wonder why they don't just sell a cross-chat USB dongle that flashes some extra space for RAM.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Because the extra memory has to be system memory, so it's not really possible. As I've explained before, and Sony now confirms, adding cross game chat would reduce the amount of system memory available to games. Once they have given memory to game developers by reducing the firmware size, they can never take it back. So, no cross game chat on PS3.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

There's no way to trick the CPU into thinking it has more available memory by adding some from outside the system?

Could plugging in the Vita with it's Cross Game Chat work?


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/22/2011 4:49:49 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Vita could do it, but then it'd be kind of like having a phone on standby…

josephps3
josephps3
9 years ago

2012 to 2013-developers get prototype PS4
2014-announce to public and display new game demos
2015-grand release of ps4 with amazing titles developers had ample time to learn and optimize. Blow the public's expectation away.

PS3 biggest drawback was the price. $600 launch price is ridiculous when compared to the competition. Especially when the launch titles were at best comparable to Xbox360. You can't justify to the public paying double the competition when the games were comparable or in many instances worse and with only the promise that it will get better and $600 price will be vindicated. Ummm, no. I work too hard for my money. I think I'll wait 2-3 years for these great titles that you speak of and then buy it at the dropped price.

The whole point of paying a premium price is to get access now. Access to games that is way better and exclusively available. Why pay double for a machine that has the same titles as the competition and few launch exclusives are embarrassing (Genji, Lair). And many of the multiplatform titles perform much worse (madden 07).

Just imagine how much PS3 would have been if it launched with MGS4, Uncharted2, Infamous2, GT4, GOW, LBP etc. $600 price tag is justified. THose titles blow anything the Xbox360 had available at the time. Blows away any multiplatforms. These are killer must have platforms.

Look, the global economy is bad and people are even more frugal with money. They want value. PS4 has to be smart with the hardware. Joe public don't care about how technically amazing a new Cell version 2 is. PS3 Cell is a great piece of technology but could Sony have spent money more efficiently on a more game focused CPU and not a more general purpose CPU that frustrated developers and took them 2-3 years to finally understand it.

Sony should partner with Intel or AMD or Qualcomm to bring the most gaming VALUE. They have please the very important third party developers and gaming public.

I hope Sony learned from PS3 many mistakes and make PS4 that much more amazing. I think Sony got way too arrogant with the success of PS2 and thought the public will pay anything just because its a Playstation. PS3 has reset the gaming world. Its even between ps3 and xbox. No one really has a strong lead. If Sony is smart they can pull ahead again and lead the market. What do you think?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It won't launch with that high of a price this time, it simply cost a lot of money to create the technology inside the PS3. Now that technology is a lot cheaper and can be built upon. It wasn't as if they were trying to rip people off, each console cost more than $600 for them to make.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

I think that the only way you learn is by making a mistake. That way you erase it and fix it. Problem solved.

anjpikapp3
anjpikapp3
9 years ago

I disagree. The $600 price tag was a lot better then the $1000 one for any bluray player out on the market at that time. Remember, this was (and still is, IMO) the top of the line console. If anything, I bought mine as a bluray player first knowing Sony would get better (just like the PS2) and would produce a stellar library. Was that a risk, yes it was but a well worth one! The fact that I could play PS2 games on my HDTV as well as blurays under $1200 (price for a bluray player and a PS2 at that time) was worth every penny.

Note: I understand some gamers cannot afford such high end items on Day 1 but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be released. I can't wait for the PS4 and to see what it has to deliver though I am still very happy with my PS3. These are exciting times in the gaming industry as we go from standard definition into an almost surreal type of gaming.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

"Gamers always need something new and more exciting. If they're seeing just similar types of games coming year after year, they will quickly lose their interest…"

Call of Duty was my 1st thought when I read that.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Great news!

Just keep the great games a-comin'

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

That really is a great way of telling developers who are clamoring for a new generation that they still haven't dented the PS3 so it's time to put up or shut up. Just because 360 has been maxed out for a while doesn't mean Sony should spend more money does it?

On that note though, I think what people wonder is if PS4 will release before 720, after 720, or around the same time? There are strategic advantages based on when they do it. They could hold this stance as a siege and just let the Xbox 360 starve from lack of games for a time in order to gain PS converts.

Bottom line: only Sony devs have a shot at maxing this system out in terms of squeezing every last ounce of power from it.

josephps3
josephps3
9 years ago

@ WorldEndsWithMe

I know Sony wasn't trying to rip ppl off. I know that even at $600 for the technology Sony was providing at the time was a great deal. Sony was taking huge losses with each sale early on because the freakin technology was so expensive. It was so expensive because they took the dumb route of lets put the most exotic technology. Lets develop our own CPU. Team up with IBM, Intel, Qualcomm. There are a lot of other brilliant ppl. Look for cost saving synergies. Make it more user friendly for developers and cheaper to produce. SOny can pass those savings to the public and not release with $600 price tag.

The current PS3 cell technology is a lot cheaper now but Sony could easily make a boneheaded move by trying to develop another Cell Version2 that will cost so much money and time. Just be smart. DOn't just dump money into the machine and be proud that is the most advance sophisticated future technology. I don't care. Developers don't care. Be smart on how you spend the money. Make the PS4 a well thought out smart user friendly design.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I'm sure things will come off well, look at Vita's price. Very accessible all technology considered.

josephps3
josephps3
9 years ago

@kapp3

You do make a good point there. At the time the PS3 was the cheapest and BEST blueray player compared to the $1000 players. I remember that. I think that's one example of Sony making an excellent call there. Having Blueray is a big plus. We don't have to worry about multiple disc and I have to admit I do enjoy collecting and watching HD bluerays.

I have to give Sony credit for that.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Thank God for Smart Business!!!

josephps3
josephps3
9 years ago

I totally agree with "WorldEndsWithMe" The PS3 has really matured now and hitting its strides. The gap between exclusives is growing in terms of quantity and quality. The longer this generation last the more ppl will abandon the xbox and come over (or come back) to ps3.

With built in wireless, free network, non proprietary Harddrive, Bluray, bluetooth…why would anyone in their right mind buy a Xbox360 now? It doesn't make any sense. WHen I'm in bestbuy or futureshop, I want to ask these ppl why are you buying a Xbox? whats wrong with you? lol I feel like I have to preach to these sheeps and make the see the light.

WIth the recent PS3 price drops, hopefully more ppl will stop and think and realize the PS3 now is without any doubt the best platform to buy.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I'm not sure how any of that disagrees with me?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

er, woops, for some reason I skimmed that first line as "disagree" nevermind.

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

I want the PS4 to be backwards compatible with PS3, PS1, and please, please, please PS2.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Regarding PS2 compatibility, the PS4 might have a shot at this because of the increased power of the hardware. Theoretically, the cellBE could emulate some of the really difficult to emulate features of the GS, but it would be unable to do anything else. If the PS4 has twice as much CPU as the CellBE in the PS3 (say two Cells on one chip or something like that), that would make it possible to emulate the GS on one Cell and the EE on the other. Don't hold your breath though, nothing is certain on that score.

I'd like the PS4 to run PS1, PS2, PS3 and even PSP games.

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
9 years ago

I swear I want that to happen.


Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 8/22/2011 7:57:11 PM