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id Software's John Carmack isn't afraid to speak is mind, and after his QuakeCon keynote last week, it was clear to attendees that he was more a fan of the Xbox 360 than the PlayStation 3. This stands to reason, as he's primarily a PC developer and Microsoft's console is…well, you get where this is going. Of course PC devs like the 360 more; it's why games initially designed for PC are typically better on the 360 than on the PS3.

But he didn't want Sony fans to get too critical, so he told Ripten that he thinks the PS3 is the second-best console ever made. The 360 would be #1, of course. He says the development tools for the PS3 aren't as good, but the raw cell processing power makes his new game – RAGE – actually better on the PS3 in certain ways.

The "best system ever" debate is one that will never end, and there will never be a definitive correct answer. And remember, Carmack is speaking strictly from a developer's standpoint…I mean, he has to be. The most unreliable system of all time is #1? And in comparisons to other consoles over the years, in regards to exclusive content, available diversity concerning the libraries, etc…we're not sure where the 360 ranks, but we doubt many would put it at the top of the list.

Personally, I'd say the SNES and first two PlayStations are up there.  But I'd have extreme difficutly ranking all the systems.

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slugga_status
slugga_status
9 years ago

That's downright comical..As a owner of both systems, the PS3 easily outshines the 360. The exclusives show as much also..

Best system of all time has got to be the PS2. The longevity and the quality of games stands out.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

100% agree.

PS2 was and will always be boss.

Snorge
Snorge
9 years ago

It is downright comical. Oh yeah NES and PSX top my list. Ps2 is in there, but in my book, by far these are two of the best.


Last edited by Snorge on 8/15/2011 11:18:04 AM

slugga_status
slugga_status
9 years ago

@Undergod

Would it be wrong to call the PS2 Big Boss? lol

@ Snorge

Can't knock the classics man


Last edited by slugga_status on 8/15/2011 11:30:58 AM

Miggy
Miggy
9 years ago

I agree with it being the ps2.

telly
telly
9 years ago

Yep, PS2 was the best. I really think that in another ten years people will look back and see that no other system was THAT amazing for THAT long. I mean it had almost every game worth playing, and it was a sensational era for gaming. Gamecube and Xbox only had a handful of games worth checking out. It was seriously like a 20-to-1 ratio for a while there.

Deathb4Dishonor
Deathb4Dishonor
9 years ago

The Guy is A Moron… PSX is the best sytem ever… I mean all the games were AAA… Metal Gear, Final Fantasy 7,8,9, Legend Of Dragoon, Xenogears, Parasite Eve, Chrono Cross, Chrono Trigger, Grandia Series, Dino Crisis 1 And 2, Front Mission, Vagrant Story, Breath of Fire Series… Man I can keep going but my head might explode

VampDeLeon
VampDeLeon
9 years ago

Hmm, PS2 did steal the competition. Though I still wouldn't consider it being the top dog due to early disk-reading errors. SNES and PSX on the other hand had the greatest amount of RPG and puzzle titles.

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
9 years ago

He's probably just saying the 360 is better because he can develop for it easier. PS3's architecture is kicking his ass, so he's pissed about it. This is why ps3 devs are the best; no complaints just hard work.


Last edited by ace_boon_coon on 8/15/2011 10:53:09 AM

Xombito
Xombito
9 years ago

Yeah, this isn't anything new really. But at least he gave some praise to PS3.

PeRsonal Best Ever:
1. PS2
2. PSone/PS3
3. NES
4. Genesis
5. SNES


Last edited by Xombito on 8/15/2011 11:07:53 AM

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
9 years ago

Carmack is a pretty smart guy, but he's really just telling us what everyone else has said for the past 5 years:
The ps3 is more powerful, but more difficult.

This is news?

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I'd say anytime a major development head makes a comment like that, it's newsworthy. Keeps us connected to what the big guys are thinking/saying. And since it is 100% on topic with gaming, I'd say yes. It's news. Perhaps not a surprise, but news.

Cpt_Geez
Cpt_Geez
9 years ago

Carmack is tripping if he thinks the 360 is #1

My rankings
1. SNES
2. Genesis
3. NES
4. PS2
5. PS3

Arvis
Arvis
9 years ago

PS1 nowhere on that list? I guess not everyone is an RPG nut like myself.

-Arvis

Cpt_Geez
Cpt_Geez
9 years ago

The PS1 is ranked #6

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

That must have been a lonely generation for you.

tayizfire
tayizfire
9 years ago

1:ps2
2:sega dreamcast
3:ps1
4:ps3
5:nintendo 64

If handhelds were in this …there is only one to say …Gameboy Advance!!!

Deathb4Dishonor
Deathb4Dishonor
9 years ago

My List:
1.PSX (Never had more sleepless Nights And Had more Classic RPGs Than any system EVER!!!)
2.PS2
3.NES
4.Sega Genesis
5.PS3

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

Lol, that must make Ps3 owners happy.

Everyone has a preference, so its ok when he thinks the 360 is better. But he is in a business, he should of not said anything, showing his bias may affect sales negatively.

Cpt_Geez
Cpt_Geez
9 years ago

Right

Snorge
Snorge
9 years ago

Agreed.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Some people do not belong in front of microphone.

Carmack is one of them.

His mouth just cost a sale (actually two of them) from me.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

totally agree, that comment is gonna fu** up business something serious!

sirbob6
sirbob6
9 years ago

We should also forbid Peter Molyneux from speaking… ever!

Dreno
Dreno
9 years ago

I've owned a 360, and it was a pretty sweet console, it had some great games, it has some great specs, but imo the ps3 is the better console. In most games the graphics look better, with few exceptions. I've seen some great looking games on both consles.

I can understand if devs say the 360 is the better console if its easier to work on, I guess. But shouldn't they be wanting the challange that is the ps3? That way if they make a truly effing epic master peice, they would feel more accomplished? Since when is taking the easy/familiar toute more accomplishing than the harder?

You want the best console ever? Wait til the companies come together and make 1 mega console. Tell me that wouldn't be sweet

Snorge
Snorge
9 years ago

Devs appearently arent in the biz to make masterpieces for the accomplishment factor. (Well I would say most, minus the devs who create exclusive game) They want the money.

And the 1 mega system thing…NEVER gonna happen. Plus dont you want competition out there. Look what happens when you have no comp, *Looks at Madden*

Dreno
Dreno
9 years ago

Snorge, I know the mega console will likely never happen, but it would be cool as hell. I'm sure someone somewhere would make competition, but imagine all the brilliant games that could be made using the expertise of both sides.

Wishful thinking, I know.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

So, from a performance and reliability point of view the PS3 is best, but because the veteran PC developer likes the PC leaning software standards and environment on the 360, that makes it best?

right….whatever.

Snorge
Snorge
9 years ago

Oh yeah, that makes ALOT of sense *Rolls eyes* UGH, too bad he's not on stage now, I'd Boo him off with the quickness.

totozero18
totozero18
9 years ago

This just sheds to light that he's not versatile enough to develop for PS3 without struggling and whining about it…

I forgive you Carmack, now go to your room and finish your homework

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
9 years ago

Of course he said that otherwise ten million 13 year olds would spam him to death with nerd raging comments & he knows that rage will sell better on 360 anyway because microsoft has about 3 dev studios and exclusives are few and far between.

Best console ever : PS1
Resident evil and tombraider made me forget about the 16bit era back in 1996.
Watching those heads pop from shotgun fire sealed it 4 me.
To infinity and beyond…

bearbobby
bearbobby
9 years ago

Yep, two of my favorites from that era. I remember picking up resident evil before any reviews came out. I had been following it since it was called Biohazard in Japan. Lost many hours to that game getting the multiple endings.

I also love being able to say that I was playing Resident Evil before it was cool! lol, my one hipster moment.

Karosso
Karosso
9 years ago

@Lord Carlos: The first zombi on RE1 and the Dino on TR1 are on my top 5 list of all time greatest video game moments. I was actually scared silly when that video played and the zombi came after me. PS1 for ever and ever!

"Winter is Coming"

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
9 years ago

yeah bear i first saw RE on a demo disc that came with a PS magazine,it was a rolling demo of chris running around the mansion BUT chris killed a zombie by popping its eyes out with his fingers…it was censored but the little black censored boxes fell & rolled on the floor which gave it away….they should of kept it in the final version minus the censor boxes….Cool eh!
@karosso
My favourite FMV was the hunter coming out of the sewers,through the gardens & into the mansion.I remember playing TR and found a hole in the wall that had nice green trees and plants which looked all out of place in a cave…running around in this lovely paradise i was suddenly attacked by two dinosaurs…a few somersaults and a lot of bullets later and they where down,i instinctively looked down at the dead animals and noticed a very large footprint i was standing in…i thought to myself 'oh no i gonna die.

"A Lannister always pays his debts.'

Karosso
Karosso
9 years ago

Yep, that one was also a heart stopper. But I must say, to me the earlier ones were scarier just because I had never play a scary game before. The dog that jumps in through the window almost made me stop playing LOL
Oh Man, the PS1 was just so much fun, so many games and so many new experiences…
Tomb Raider was for me on the PS1 what Uncharted is for me on the PS3. The levels on that game were huge and amazing, I don't think anything had been done on that scale before in any console.

"Tyrion King!" Gotta love the little guy, my favorite character by far.

Cuetes
Cuetes
9 years ago

Sounds like this guy's just plain lazy

Oh…..and the ps2 is and always will be the best console to date, but the ps1 doesn't trail behind too far.


Last edited by Cuetes on 8/15/2011 11:38:47 AM

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

we know carmack is not a big fan of the ps3. his complaints about the ps3 have been extensive. weak rsx, asymetric cpu, partitioned memory, sony's weak software tools, memory contraints becuase sony's operating system having a larger footprint…finally throw in blue ray latency issues.

the only thing i will say is it's damaging to have a guy like carmack speaking that way about the ps3. id has a pretty dedicated following and they listen to what carmack says. i'm sure these fans will be opting for the 360 version.

i would have to say the ps2 was the best console ever. i miss those days when sony ruled the world so to speak.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 8/15/2011 11:49:47 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

The day that programming and technology has to follow figureheads like Carmack around and deify them and their opinions is the day I hand in my geek card and sign up with Luddites united.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@highlander

i agree, but there are people that deify carmack to an extent. i'm sure you are aware that. i guess it's similar to the way we look up to hideo kojima. their opinions carry weight out there.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

yeah, but lets say I do really like Kojima. If he all of a sudden went and said something like Carmack said, I'd think Kojima was a moron. Thankfully, Kojima's smarter than that.

I dunno. I don't care how great a person is in their field. When they're wrong, they're wrong. It happens all the time to "professionals".

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

ID can take it's sewers and it's #1 console in the 360 and stuff it.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@maxpontiac

well said. id's comments last week when downplaying the sewers were just flat out disgusting, they think their idea of locking out content in a sp game is "cool". in one sentence they were patting themselves on the back for coming up with this. then, in the next sentence they were back pedaling and trying to downplay it. flat out disgusting.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 8/15/2011 12:11:14 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Yeah, I think he's speaking from a developer stand point of values. He supported his claim with evidence that is very development centric. As for the best ever claim. Looking at it from capabilities, processing and developer support, I 100% agree the Ps3 and 360 are the "best" consoles ever.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Carmack must've hit himself right smack dab right in the ole forehead with one of those same manhole covers he was trying to weld down against any used game buyers.

I can hear him now..CLUNK, then ….."OWWWWW"

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Haha. 😀

Anonymous
Anonymous
9 years ago

Good one, BikerSaint. That was funny.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Sewers you say? Sound like kill-tubes to me…

::runs like the wind::

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

My top systems….
1. PS3
2. PS2
3. Dreamcast
4. 360
5. PS1
6. Intellivision/Colecovision (2 way tie)
7. Panasonic 3DO FZ10

burnedknight
burnedknight
9 years ago

Carmack must be a idiot if he thinks the 360 is number 1.

My top systems
1. psone
2. ps3
3. ps2
4. snes
5. genesis

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

So you believe the PSone can make better games than the PS3 or 360 can?

Hmm, I don't even think infamous or assassins creed are even possible from the 32-bit era of hardware.
I think there are many here taking what has been said way out of context. Carmack is speaking to the console specifically, not it's games.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/15/2011 1:17:27 PM