Wait, wait…we've heard this somewhere before.

Amidst a flurry of rumors that id Software's RAGE will be slightly inferior on the PlayStation 3, the developers have responded to the concerns. According to Destructoid , Bethesda claims that all three upcoming versions of the hotly anticipated game will be identical. Said marketing chief Pete Hines:

"We also had RAGE running on PS3 in the press room [at QuakeCon] for folks to do their previews. We are very pleased with the PS3 version of RAGE. One of the cornerstones of the new idTech5 technology is that all assets are identical across all platforms. The experience that players have will be the same on all three platforms."

Yeah, well, that's not likely to halt the skepticism and arguments. PC-oriented developers typically generate products that look and run better on PC and Xbox 360; the PS3 versions are often found lacking. At the very least, though, the differences have been relatively minor and as the generation progresses, developers fare better with the PS3 when it comes to multiplatform games.

And we are excited for RAGE . It could be one of the year's best…

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Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

Rage and Deus Ex are the two FPSs I'm interested in most. I hope his claims are correct.

gungrave
gungrave
9 years ago

Can't wait for this game to come out, now they can focus on DOOM IV. They should release Doom I&II on the PSN.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

The term "assets" is key here. The polygonal rigs and texture art may be the same, but performance, resolution and rendering quality can exist outside of of said assets.
Clever way to say it. And really, I see the 360's involvement as a detriment to the whole. Rage was originally promoting id's giga texture tech, boasting the engine's ability to shift massive textures. Massive textures need massive storage. There's no way a last gen medium, DVD, hasn't created concessions for Rage's development. Games on PC can have game files "installed" from multiple discs to create the whole. 360 games must be designed to run on HDD'less hardware. To say it has the same assets among all 3 systems is to say much of the BD is left unfilled.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

That's why the 360 install is 22 gigabytes.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Hey, wow, yeah, it's 3 discs. I'm surprised. For some reason I thought the game got reduced down to 1 disc. If the game doesn't make heavy use of FMV (and Id's games usually don't) that's a good fact to know. I see that it has 2 discs for the campaign and 1 disc for the multi-play.
The reality of 22GB for the 360 install probably amounts to something less if, instead, it was designed to be placed all onto one BD disc. Duplicate discs without much redundancy means either the game has to be strictly linear (and it appears Rage is not), or the disc has to recycle game world assets for both discs. So the net gain of game assets on the second disc will more than likely add up to something quite a bit lower than 6.8GBs of data.
But anyway, props to Id and Bethseda for breaking the single disc barrier and at least attempting to squeeze in more content for a gamer's $60.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/8/2011 11:16:42 PM

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

I read the same thing in an article from some time back, Sensei Temjin, as you were saying. Although there is an optional install of 22 gigs, as World was referring to, as the install is optional (for the sp and mp separately), it had to be designed for those who would not have hd's as well. And the structure had to be changed from a fully open world, to a more linear adventure with a hub world.

I'm sure Rage will Rock anyhow. I'll be getting it for my Toshiba Qosmio.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Cool, thanks, Master Shams. Qosmio eh? that's pretty style'n. Pretty powerful I take it?

BTNwarrior
BTNwarrior
9 years ago

Wait? 22gig install, I thought xbox's only had 20gb

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
9 years ago

Where did you get that from my friend? the 360 can have a hdd all the way up to 320gb for a good while now.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

This still looks like a upgraded Borderlands 2, but I will wait until reviews hit but with the flurry of games hitting this fall…this might be a no go in the end.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
9 years ago

Funniest thing being the fact that the 360 has a 22gb install (not partial installs available) so I wonder how it'll be on the ps3.. lol

(damnit world! lol)


Last edited by LegendaryWolfeh on 8/8/2011 10:49:44 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Some nonsense about Blu Ray latency I hear. Whatever, after ten million years of development I'm sure it will be just fine. I look forward to playing the game even if it isn't right away.

To tell you the truth I got a little thrill when I heard that Carmack was troubled by the fact that consoles held his PC version back. Get with the times man, PC gaming can't hack it in the big leagues.

oONewcloudOo
oONewcloudOo
9 years ago

I was worried about this myself after watching cormack's quakecon conference, even tho he said he'd be misquoted he didnt make himself very clear and sounded like the ps3 was vastly inferior because of the ps3 memory and the slower blu-ray. So im still worried that this is just PR talk.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

From what I gather, QuakeCon is a stroke-fest for PC gamers. Slamming consoles is how he makes them happy.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
9 years ago

Blizz-con doesn't do much else either.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Hey, it's more like a "twitch-fest" when it comes to quake-con

Stroke-fest just doesnt work because not everyone plays Catherine =p

anti
anti
9 years ago

This was the only game I was gonna buy in September. Since it was pushed back to the same week as Dark Souls, It will probably be next summer before I get it. This Fall is booked!

At least now I will know if it is inferior by the time I'm ready to buy it.

A2K78
A2K78
9 years ago

When it come to multiplaform games PC gamers are really the ones who get the shaft thanks in part to the games that being held back by consoles.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Yeah, well, PC gamers gave themselves the shaft by destroying the viability of their own soil. P2P sharing that facilitated the free exchange of pirated software was their weapon of suicide. Perhaps PC gamers had it best with stuff like res and frame rates but obviously they weren't very smart because it would seem they believed games grew on trees.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/9/2011 1:37:48 AM

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

You can freely pirate console games as well, yes PS3 too, but that hasn't stopped developers from still releasing games on those systems has it?

___________
___________
9 years ago

and piracy is not the same consoles?
are we forgetting that infamous 2 was on torrent sites 6 weeks before release!?
or KZ3 & SOCOM 4 a good month before release?
not to mention all the 360 games that leak early.
nothing pisses me off more then when people defend developers for shafting the PC!
hell, if anything piracy is WORSE on consoles then on PC!
no, FACT!
if it was not worse on PC then why did not the witcher 2, star craft 2, and all the PC exclusives turn up on P2P sites months before release like their console brethren?

not to mention its a pain in the a$$ to pirate PC games these days, especially if they have online activation!
all you need to pirate ps3, wii, psp, ds, mobile, or 360 games is the right FW, could not be simpler!
especially with developers on the ps3 screwing up and releasing 3.55 encrypted patches for 3.6+ encrypted games like what happened to infamous 2, SOCOM 4, operation flash point, almost every 3.6 encrypted game!

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

These developers simply want to develop for the most powerful PC rigs now, and they seem to be getting more and more frustrated at consoles… who is right and who is wrong when it comes to what makes a game good?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

This is why, in my opinion, there needs to be a universal game system that plays all games. We're kinda headed in that direction anyway seeing as how each new generation of console is turning more and more into a PC. I think it's only a matter of time before the console wars becomes null and void. How long exactly, is the real question.

___________
___________
9 years ago

no way were going into a universal system, simply because 1 theres so many conflicting minds and ideas, and 2 competition breeds innovation.
firstly having so many companies making one thing who takes precedence?
what happens if sony wants something in there but ninty does not?
who gets their way?
then why release a top of the line system if your not competing with anyone?
if you have the market to yourself, then whats stopping them from just releasing a slightly upgraded version of todays consoles.
its like a shop, if theres only one shop that sells a product the price for said item will be through the roof!
sell the product at other stores and watch the price plummet as each compete for a sale.
same thing goes for consoles.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I agree. Here's to the universal PS5!

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

let's see…when i have i heard this before? oh yeah crysis 2. crytek flat out lied. the versions were not idenditical. the sixth axis saw both versions of rage and said there are differences. mainlly, the ps3 version suffers from a lot of texture load in. never believe these marketing types when they make this claim concerning a ps3 multiplat. you will only come away dissapointed.

one thing i wonder is if there will be any kind of install on the ps3. this might help the blu ray latency problem that cuases the texture load in problem. right?

___________
___________
9 years ago

dude, you have to be SERIOUSLY anal to complain about crysis 2!
sure it was not perfect, but you have to be a f*cking software engineer to really notice the differences!
people are acting as if it was a repeat of bayonetta!!!!!

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

you make a good point. crysis 2 isn't the best example to throw out there, but crytek did make similar claims. the 2 versions were identical. they weren't. in fact crytek once said the ps3 version was running better. the ps3 version is at a 12% lower resolution. maybe it anal to point that out but i thought it was noticable, and i would call that a difference.

we shall se what's going on here, but i suspect there might be some truth to what the sixth axis claimed. carmack has mentioned the blu ray latency issue as well. one thing i wonder is if a hd install would help. it seems like it would. i know the 360 has a massive intall, but i've yet to hear anything about a ps3 intall.

one thing you are right about in your post below is this is not 2007. thank god for that. ps3 multiplats have come a long way. i still get nervous about them, though.

___________
___________
9 years ago

yes once is the key word there.
how do you know thats not true?
stop taking there words so literally, when they say identical they dont mean 100% identical.
im sure they will have a large HDD install, the mega texture system has to stream so much data it would choke up the system.
thats one area sony really shot themselves in the foot, the read speeds are slower then DVD and allot of developers are having trouble because of that.
i remember team bondi complaining about it too.

___________
___________
9 years ago

often found lacking?
since when!?
crysis 2 was near identical on the 360 and ps3!
this aint 2007 anymore!

if theres anyone who knows how to solidify things, and always try and make it a fair battle its id!
plus quite a few times over the years of development we have heard the opposite, that the ps3 was running slightly better!
its really starting to bug me how now every single time the ps3 version is not sold the fanboys are up in arms, oh its gonna suck!
come on, lets not have a repeat of battlefield 3…….
developers always like to bring the latest build to these things, (for obvious reasons) maybe they had not had a chance to finalize the ps3 version for quakecon.
can we please stop this overreacting?
just because a specific version of a games not getting as much attention does not mean it sucks!
my lord, gamers today are getting more and more like spoiled brats!
things like this really make me not get into the industry.
you pour years of your life into these things, years of overtime, blood sweat and tears, and this is how they thank you!
f*ck that!
then all the stories of unpaid overtime, unpaid loyalties, unpaid bonuses, unpaid sick leave and so on.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

"plus quite a few times over the years of developement we have heard the opposiste. that the ps3 version was running slightly better."

not sure where this is coming from.

"the xbox 360 version matches the pc's 60 fps while the ps3 version is just at 20-30 fps." carmack told edge magazine. "the ps3 lags a little bit in terms of getting performance out if it. the rasteriser is just slower-no two ways about it." carmack said. "the rsx is slower than what we have in 360. the cpu is about the same. but the rsx is slow and that's where a lot of work has been. splitting up jobs on the ps3." he said as well.

none of that implys better ps3 version. sounds like another pc centric developer having problems.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Excelsior1 –

Does that still reflect how Rage is today? If so, I might just pass on it now.

Bummer.

___________
___________
9 years ago

all im saying is lets wait till reviews come in before we line up the gallows.
just because they did not show off the ps3 version at quakecon does not mean the ps3 version will be worse!

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

"_____________" –

Did you not read Ben's article? Here. Read.

"We also had RAGE running on PS3 in the press room [at QuakeCon] for folks to do their previews. We are very pleased with the PS3 version of RAGE. One of the cornerstones of the new idTech5 technology is that all assets are identical across all platforms. The experience that players have will be the same on all three platforms."

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@max

i don't think so. in fact bethesda had to stomp out a lot fires accross the internet to assure gamers that indeed both versions would be at 60 fps. i just used that quote to knock down blank lines claim of hearing the ps3 version being better when everything i have read has implied the exact opposite. pc centric develpoper struggling with the ps3

there is also the sixth axis hands on preview. they claim both versions aren't idendical and that the ps3 suffers from a lot of texture load in. we shall see, but i would be shocked if both versions are identical. aboout 99% of the time a ps3 multiplat will be inferior in some way. that's just an unfortunate truth of this generation.

___________
___________
9 years ago

did you not read my post?
i said they did not show off the ps3 version, having it behind closed doors for media people to do previews does not count as showing it off!
kinda has to be public to count.
i dunno about you but unfortunately i dont have the ability to see through solid objects.
still working on it, the last formula worked quite well, but caused some test subjects eyes to grow so large the pressure exploded their sockets!

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Due to the size of this game on the 360 (3 discs), I'll actually take what he says far more serious!

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Shiva369
Shiva369
9 years ago

This thread has been a very interesting and enlightening read- thanks to all above.
Pretty much sold on this game now…definitely awaiting the post-launch reviews tho!

tornado03
tornado03
9 years ago

Yeah I guess a LIE isn't hard to tell these days. I'm personally tired of FPS anyway especially multiplateformers.I watched a lot of video on Rage and I'm not just overwheled. If this game was in 3rd person lIke Gears or Infamous then I would probably get it. Maybe it's walking up to a ladder and floating to the top olike he has no arms or legs is starting to get to me.