A new outrage has hit the Internet and it concerns the PlayStation 3 and high-definition gaming.

According to Kotaku , Sony may be quietly removing a certain feature. As a tipster claims, Sony will be shipping PS3's with a new "K" chassis, which will require users to use an HDMI cable to view anything in high-definition; that includes games and movies. So far, the component out part of the PS3 supported HD video modes but apparently, that feature will be discontinued. For the record, the document in question says previous models won't be updated to require the HDMI cable.

We're still trying to figure out if this is true, and if so, why Sony is doing it. We've long since said Sony should include a HDMI cable with every system, as true high-def doesn't really happen with component cables, anyway. We'll have to wait and see what happens before adding further comment.

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StevieRV
StevieRV
9 years ago

component cables are no good anyway, so save money on production by removing the component out and then bundle a HDMI cable, simple

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

There is no Component Out, just the proprietary A/V out which is common to all PlayStations. I doubt they'd remove it, since SDTV use wouldn't be possible.

Internal bits and bobs, maybe.

I'm dubious about the rumor.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

I already have an HDMI cable that I use on my HDTV with my PS3. Does that mean I'm safe?

I was also under the impression that you needed an HDMI cable to view content in HD.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
9 years ago

nope, you can use component video cables to view high definition video at up to 1080p if the tv allows it. Difference over hdmi is that component is an analog signal whereas hdmi is pure digital signal, and the only one capable of transmitting dtshd ma, dolby truehd.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

1080p over component is also driving component video to it's limit, you'll get much better picture quality on the same screen via HDMI than component.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Last time I checked, componant cable could only do 1080i, not 1080p.

I hope this isn't true, cos many people haven't yet upgraded to HDTV's yet with HDMI. Not only that, but people like me have a surround sound system running on componant for Foxtel and 360, with no way to access the HDMI port on the TV (TV is wall mounted, very annoying)

nath08
nath08
9 years ago

I liked your comment, just because of your name and your picture. I love Nas!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

OK, no offense to those thumbing my comment down, and I really couldn't care less about the number of thumbs down, but clicking thumbs down to disagree with fact is like trying to tell someone the moon is made of green cheese.

The picture quality on a 1080p HDTV via component is dependent on the signal quality over an analog cable. Component video is not a digital signal, it's purely analog, so the signal is subject to attenuation, interference and synchronization issues that all hurt the quality of the video signal. With HDMI the interface is digital, the transmission of video and audio data is protected by error detection and correction mechanisms. There is no signal attenuation, no interference, nothing of that sort, so that the picture you see is exactly what was coming from the video source. Simply put there is no way what so ever that a component video source can produce better picture quality than HDMI for 1080p, it's simply impossible.

Why do people down vote simple fact? Ignorance must truly be bliss.

tornado03
tornado03
9 years ago

@ Nas, yeah that sounds pretty crazy if anything they should scrap the component cables. I know the Iphone 4 can display video on your tv without any wires connected unless there headed down that route then I doubt it is true.


Last edited by tornado03 on 7/12/2011 9:51:23 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

As Stevie said, component cables are kinda blagh anyways. No reason not to get an HDMI cable in this day and age. They can be found for pretty cheap. Unless of course you have an old TV in which case you can't use HDMI or Component cables anyways.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

There are televisions out there with component input that do HD but don't have HDMI. I used to own one before I upgraded so I am sure there are still a few in use out there.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Its a shame to hear this again… one wonders if one purchases a PS4 what will be left of it 5 years after release… I can understand Sony is trying to cut here and there… it is the brave new world we live in. Every cent costs, BUT, what Sony need to understand, is this can also damage their brand.

This continuing hammering can hurt Sony in the long run; simply because of gamer vile that is thrown around when some negativity surfaces around Sony products… "ooh, here is some more poison I can spit on them and make it look worse than it is."

On the other hand gamers advocating we should all go across to the PC may use this as another example of proving that it is far better to have the future of your hardware in your control rather than in a giant corporate who can change specifications at a whim. With new devices coming out including HDMI a standard these antics do then raise the prospect of the necessity of having a "console" of sorts in the future.

There are 2 sides to every story; the PSN intrusion has cost Sony a great deal. Even though the computer entertainment unit is making money, the profits are not spectacular, and I think this generation has actually been a huge uphill struggle for Sony. The landscape is just not what it used to be… and in my opinion, from what I am reading about studios closing and costs associated in making THAT GAME… it is becoming ever more tricky to guarantee the kinds of return corporations need for future investment (and to make some money along the way for their shareholders).

We will see how this goes down, but be prepared for more vile against Sony which does show immaturity and stupidity.

Sony need to cut costs, like many other companies need to in this environment, and, I guess, Sony's present research (and future projections) point to the "majority of people" purchasing their console are doing so for HD (HDMI) gaming.

I don't know if removing the AC ports will compromise sales more in the developing world, but they are cutting out some percentage of the market. I guess their projections tell them it will not be a great loss…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"


Last edited by Qubex on 7/12/2011 10:00:32 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Sales of CRT TVs have fallen through the floor over the last few years in favor of much, much cheaper HDTVS – with HDMI ports. Someone inside Sony no doubt reasoned that they could save costs and power consumption by ditching the analog video signal generators and interfaces needed for composite and component output.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Yes, exactly Highlander. I was highlighting this in my post generally. I don't know why I was thumbed down but anyway, I guess they didn't understand the context of what I was saying…

In conclusion, what I was saying was this:-

1] The usual negative gamers who are typically against Sony will use this as another attack vector

2] The PC gaming crowd may use this as a point against owning consoles

3] This reduction in features could hurt the Sony brand

4] Sony internal projections – for whatever reasons – believe removing this feature will not impact on their overall sales in the developing world specifically, betting that most people who are going to buy the PS3 will purchase it to play via HDMI for HD gaming

That was the gist of my post… its quite simple… and merely to stimulate some discussion on these points…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Brave New World was a good book =p

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I agree with you on the hardware topic and the thumbs down…people do it by reflex.

dmiitrie
dmiitrie
9 years ago

@Temjin: damn good book. Possibly my favorite.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Highlander, maybe the start of my post about the PS4 sounded a little condescending I must admit… but I think it is a valid point that maybe in todays brave new world, console makers need to make hardware changes over time in order to remain competitive.

Sony could be readying the hardware for a price drop, so it plays into what you were saying a few posts below…

Whatever, there will be people on either side of this argument that will be for or against what Sony is doing – ultimately Sony will do what it must and if people want to continue to support them that is great for everyone concerned…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

diimtrie, it was good. It's hard for me to believe something like that was written in what? the thirties. My english 201 teacher had me read that and 1984 and do a compare & contrast essay on them a couple years ago. interesting stuff.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed Qubex. Indeed. I think that Sony has grown a very thick skin over the last 6 years, I am hoping that is to their benefit and not their detriment.

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

An article at IGN said it might be due to the "AACS's Adopter Agreement (which) requires any officially licensed Blu-ray player manufactured after Dec. 31, 2011 (to) limit HD support to digital output only".

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Nice find. That could well be it, because I know that Sony was upgrading the security on the BluRay in the upcoming SKU, so that could be the root of this, or at least a major consideration for Sony.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Who on Earth uses the component HD cables anyway? Get rid of it if it saves any money. Although I can't imagine it would save much.

Why the PS3 doesn't come with an HDMI cable is a mystery to me, they should make the people with old TVs make the extra purchase of a component cable instead.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Another PS3 price cut is around the corner I bet.

As for why the PS3 doesn't come with a HDMI cable…It's probably because Sony makes a killing on selling them individually. I think their cheapest one is $29.99. Though cheaper 3rd party HDMI cables can be found else where.


Last edited by Jawknee on 7/12/2011 10:06:25 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Bet they come with an HDMI cable if this comes to pass…

faraga
faraga
9 years ago

I know a lot of recording devices only support component cables, thus people who want to record their games would be unable to do so if their PS3 only features HDMI out.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

faraga,

While that's true, there is zero obligation on console makers to support such recording, in fact they are under contractual obligations to protect HD content on BluRay from being copied. Either way, the ability to record the HD output from a console is neither a feature, nor a right, and certainly not something covered by the warranty on the system. So, although people do it, Sony has no reason to continue to provide hardware capable of it.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I recently had the HDMI port go bad in the PS3 I use in my bedroom so I currently have it hooked up via Component cables.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Bad HDMI port? Sounds like a repair issue – if it's still under warranty. My Son's PS3 defaults to 480p for anything over HDMI. I think it's no longer doing the HDCP checking correctly and so it defaults down to 480p instead of allowing the higher resolutions.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Couldn't Sony just bundle an HDMI in with the new PS3's so this outrage would be near eliminated?

It doesn't really affect me either way. Were Blu Ray movies able to play back in 1080p with component anyway? Last I knew, 1080i/720p were component's limit.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

They could and probably should but as I said above, I suspect they would rather get people to go out and buy their expensive cables instead.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
9 years ago

it really depends on the tv. I was able to pull off 1080p with a component cable on my tv

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Well, perhaps but the components needed to drive the analog composite and component video outputs will be absent, saving some cost, some space on the motherboard and consuming less power overall. Sounds more like a cost saving all round to me.

main_event05
main_event05
9 years ago

While everyone is focused on the rumor. Lets focus where the rumor came from?

This is the site that when the PSN was down they tagged every article that dealt with the PS3 with "It only does offline".

'nuff said

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Indeed.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Oh, if Kotaku can find a way to toss Sony down the stairs and get a lot of traffic in the process, they'll do it.

Eld
Eld
9 years ago

I guess they are trying to prevent recording of hd output through component cables.

LittleBigMidget
LittleBigMidget
9 years ago

Yay for feature removal

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Not sure I'd bother to count this as a feature when it comes to feature removal since it in no way affects the operation of the console or it's ability to play any media currently compatible with the unit. The sole impact of this is to require an HDTV, and most people (vast majority) with a PS3 are using a screen with an HDMI input, and this is not an issue. Particularly if it helps make the PS3 less expensive to build, and therefore less expensive to buy.

iwillbetheone
iwillbetheone
9 years ago

Though it doesn't affect most gamers, it does affect those in the developing countries, which is a great potential market. The PS2 is still selling strong in these markets, and the 10 year lifespan of a playstation console depends on these markets, as they are generaly late adopters, and thus give Sony a reason to manufacture consoles even after so many years after launch at a time when no one gives a shit about that console in developed places like US, UK, etc. So, that may hurt them a LITTLE there.

But I read this is done due to a new policy regarding viewing of HD media only via a digital medium, so they are in that case justified in their action, as long as they keep the comoponent cable for sub-HD viewing.

Milonakis
Milonakis
9 years ago

my tv only has component input. It's due to be replaced but why the hell would they remove that?

TheCrazyMerc
TheCrazyMerc
9 years ago

Why would they discontinue it anyway, do they just want people to use HDMI cables, because I still use my component cable. :/

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

*sigh*
Cue the pointless outrage and self-satisfied "told you so" t-shirts. Tell you what guys, let's hold the party for now.

If you go and look at TV sales over the last 6 or so years, sales of CRT TVs have collapsed through the floor. I mean literally they are disappearing faster than VHS players. The default option for an HD console is an HD screen. If Sony include an HDMI cable with this, I can't honestly see how it makes a hill of beans difference to 99.5% (at a quick guess) of the potential buyers (cue the 3 people reading this with a CRT TV that will self righteously claim they might have wanted to).

Seriously, Sony wants to cut the cost of the PS3, so they can cut out the old video circuitry used for composite and component outputs and concentrate purely on the HDMI. Saves cost, complexity and reduces the number of analog components on the motherboard – saving power and heat – not a lot I'll admit, but still it is some. If this kind of move allows the PS3 to drop in price to $249.99 or lower, is there really a big issue here?

I don't honestly think this has anything to do with security or copy protection or anything of that nature. This is purely a case of streamlining the design to reflect the realities of an HD console selling to a market thoroughly dominated by HDTVs.

However, those who are looking for a reason to complain, you will complani, and those not looking will go "meh" and the rest of the world will look forward to cheaper PS3s.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

You think this new model that Sony is set to release is going to look different than the current Slims? Slimmer maybe?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Possibly, the unit uses less power, according to reports it's 20-30 watts lighter on the juice than the previous slim. That said, I also read that the upcoming SKU won't have different physical dimensions but will be lighter. So even if it's not physically smaller, it will feel less big because it's lighter.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 7/12/2011 10:47:05 PM

faraga
faraga
9 years ago

I personally know a lot of people who still play video games in CRT TV's. Though the sales of them may be sub-zero, you're forgetting that the install base of them is still huge. I, for instance, just made the jump from CRT to LCD a month ago, because I didn't have enough money for it before.

Thus for people who still have a CRT TV today and want to play PS3, they can't with the newer models.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

faraga,

Indeed. But since the price of new 20-odd inch HDTVs has dropped quickly and continues to fall (I've even seen brand name 32-inch TVs for under $300); the cost of entry into the HDTV market is almost at the same point that entry into the non-portable CRT TV market was 5 -7 years ago. Times change, and Sony is changing with the times. Perhaps this will provide an incentive to some to make the leap to the newer TVs?


Last edited by TheHighlander on 7/13/2011 1:13:25 AM

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

Case in point: my 26" 720p/1080i CRT cost $500 in 2006. I just replaced it with a (used) 32" 720p/1080i LCD. If the LCD were new, it would cost about the same as the CRT did ($448 to $649, depending on the exact model, most of which are 1080p).

My model comes with an integrated 5.1 sound system, so it's around $1000 new.

Doppel
Doppel
9 years ago

I use Component Out for Youtube Recording, but that's about it.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

The good news is if you use that component HD cable with your PS2 you can get better graphics out of it ūüôā