The PSN pass has been confirmed and it got me thinking.

I really don't play games online. I do a lot, of course, but it's all work-related and while I often find the experience entertaining and even stimulating, it has never grabbed me. In my mind, single-player and multiplayer are exceedingly different in a number of ways, and I have never managed to get the same overall satisfaction from multiplayer as I've received from memorable solo adventures.

And now, with more "passes" being revealed and a sea of downloadable content (99% of which is multiplayer-oriented), I've started to wonder: how much am I saving by preferring the single-player experience? It never used to be much of an issue, but as time goes on and the multiplayer boom continues to dominate, companies and publishers will continue to find new ways of cashing in. My game costs $60 if I buy it when it first arrives, but so what? My parents had to shell out the exact same price for a Super Nintendo cartridge, and I think gaming has advanced since then. Oh, and considering inflation in the past 25 years, I'm fine with the current price of games.

People will complain all they want, but even if a game is only 6-8 hours long, that's still 2-4 times longer than any given movie, and if you do the math, the price is obviously quite agreeable. Also, considering how much top-tier blockbusters cost to create, we should thank our lucky stars games don't cost $100. And the bottom line is, those who simply must have their online multiplayer – and all the DLC and expansion packs that typically go along with it – don't just pay $60. Oh no. Look at Call of Duty and its continuous influx of $15 packs, and that's just one example.

I still worry that single-player entertainment may end up suffering (and many say it already has suffered), but for the time being, I feel quite content with my gaming. I always have plenty to play and I don't contend with extra fees, moronic idiots coming through the mic (way too depressing), or any number of annoyances that go along with multiplayer fun. Sure, it's getting better…but even so, it's just getting easier and easier to ignore multiplayer altogether.

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Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

"Boy, It's Getting Easier And Easier To Avoid Online Play"

With games like Battlefield 3, its only the beginning. In a good way 🙂

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I wouldn't use passes as a good example, as buying new avoids this. (And should be standard practice, anyways)

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Well, not many people have the money to buy a game full priced, so it's usually a good idea to buy used or if it's on sale at a store some where.

I always try to buy full priced games if I have the money but sometimes I have to buy used, mostly it's SP games, some I have bought games that I wanted for MP gaming as well as SP.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Underdog… that's a pretty cool avatar 🙂

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Qubex
Thanks!

@Clamedeus
I'm not suggesting buying full-price. I'm currently a little strapped for cash right now (a whole slew of unexpected repairs on a variety of things all at once), so I haven't bought any new games over the last month and a half. I'd love to go buy something like inFamous2, but I'm holding off. I actually would have no issue buying used if used game stores could guarantee some profit, even a marginal one, would go to the developers.

I, personally, whether it's music, movies, games, etc., like to give to the creators when I enjoy their product. My bro-in-law is a musician in a 2-time Juno nominated band, and I know what it's like to watch someone work hard on something for a living only to have it enjoyed by someone ripping him off. I point the finger more at used game dealers like Gamestop more than the consumer (since often, consumers are on tight budgets). But since I can't change that, if I can't afford to buy something un-used, then I just don't buy it.

I have a 30+ game library, anyways. And there's enough of a back log that if I wanted, I could just buy an older game instead of the brand-spankin' new $60 one. Since most games I buy are done by dev's I want to support (and get more games from), like Naughty Dog, I want them to make profit off my enjoyment… not Gamestop.

I hope that more accurately shows what I mean… I guess I just believe in giving back to the industry. Especially the dev's and publishers that take pride in quality. If I can't afford it new, I don't buy it and wait til later.

(By the way, if anyone hasn't played Assassin's Creed 2 yet, I saw it at Best Buy as a greatest hits title brand new for $9.99 today)

EDIT: I should also add, that by holding off on new games, I've gone back to WKC and realized I actually really like it. I've also logged in some hours into some old PS1 classics, and I'm having an absolute ball!!


Last edited by Underdog15 on 7/7/2011 11:48:47 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I think multiplayer is largely for the young. I can't sync my schedule with friends now if I tried. It's fast, it has quick payoffs, there is no long story to follow, and it has a sense of immediacy that this generation requires. If I was in Highschool you bet I would kick back after class and enjoy an online pow-wow with CoD or any other game because everybody else would be in on it.

I have the Uncharted 3 beta and I've only played it once, not because it isn't fun -it is- but because I just have no reason to stick with it. I game for the stories and experiences I get from characters and narratives inside a single player campaign. It's kind of like in school when you passed around a single sheet of paper and everyone wrote a sentence that eventually created a story: it was hilarious and entertaining, but ultimately empty fun.

I'm glad I'm not much into the online gaming because all these costs and packs (which, let's face it, are needed) would empty me. It's no wonder some people pick one game and play it all year.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Awesomeness in three paragraphs.

Best bit was "I have the Uncharted 3 beta and I've only played it once, not because it isn't fun -it is- but because I just have no reason to stick with it. I game for the stories and experiences I get from characters and narratives inside a single player campaign.".

I've played more times than that, but I completely understand your feelings and share them to a large extent.

Fabi
Fabi
9 years ago

I couldn't agree more with you World! I feel exactly the same about everything you just said.

I always thought that if I was still a teen, I would probably be able to wrap my mind around wasting hours a day playing online.

The friends that are my age (28) that play online religiously, don't have girlfriends or a social life, so they tend to have more than enough time to waste shooting people over and over and over and over…

The only way I would see myself playing online for hours, is with a fun co-op experience. And that would probably only last about a week at the most.

I don't think there is anything wrong with doing it, but you do have to keep yourself in check. Some people just do it in a very unhealthy way.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Agreed World. Especially now that I am getting older and have a baby, it's just too hard to find the time to waste it on MP. Even now I find myself only play a couple matches of Killzone 3 online at any given time and I love it.

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

I have no life, but I prefer playing single player games. I get off work and usually spend my time progressing the story in single player games as opposed to hours of shooting people over and over for no reason.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

I enjoy single player experiences far more than mp. But mp is a completely different experience that I'd rather have stick around. I know you may not have te time, or dot enjoy it or what not… I completely understand. But for me it's a great experience along with the more important single player.

I'm in my mid 20's and am not old by any means, but do have a full time job and attend school as well and sometimes taking out a few people in a shooter is a great stress reliever when I've done enough real focusing at school or work for a great sp story.

Also these fees are not really fees if you buy the games new, which we all should if possible to support the developers that develop the games we love.

But everyone's different and everyone has different priorities and without the sp fans I'm afraid it will start to become a non focal point for the games we love. So by all mean stick to the sp, as I will always advocate for it!


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 7/7/2011 12:19:09 AM

La_Bete12
La_Bete12
9 years ago

Okay, I am in high school right now, and yeah, a lot of my friends play CoD, especially on the 360, but I have never played the series, and I seldom play online. The problem with my generation is a growing lack in attention spans and the increasing want for more adrenaline.

It saddens me, because I know friends that play endless hours shooting people in CoD and they are missing out on great exciting stories in so many countless single player games.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Well said BigRailer. You can't go wrong with a great SP Story driven game that's for sure.

I need to start purchasing more RPG games for my PS3 I have too much shooters when I had shooter fever, I have some RPG games (Demon's Souls, Mass Effect 2, Parasite Eve, Legend of Dragoon, FF7, FF8, FF9, Alundra 2) *Also lost some from moving as well*

Which isn't enough for me, I usually play RPG's on my PC as well on my PS3/PS2/PS1 but my Laptop is getting old pretty fast and can't run some games efficiently as it used to.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

World is right!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Qubex is wrong…

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

The multiplayer community of a game shrinks over time. Which mean the game loses value gradually. Single player games last forever, even from the bargain bin after 10 years. I keep that in mind when I purchase multiplayer games.

JackieBoy
JackieBoy
9 years ago

"The multiplayer community of a game shrinks over time"
Sorry, but you must have mean it the other way…
Just ask yourself how many times can you pass SP for a given game? Let it be 3, and the 3rd time is already boring. Now comes multiplayer, which gives you tons of hours of play. I love SP games, but they don't last forever, MP does. And this is something to keep in mind when buying a game.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Some games like CoD may not shrink, but most MP games do shrink over time. Again, unless it's a huge blockbuster hit like CoD, they almost all shrink.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Multiplayer get's boring pretty fast if you get all of the things you need, and even if you prestige in CoD it will still become boring for some people. I'm getting into that boat some what quickly. I've said this a lot though, If my friends didn't play CoD I wouldn't be playing it.

JackieBoy
JackieBoy
9 years ago

Yes, MP shrinks, but not so fast as SP. All I'm saying is: you can play Uncharted 2 SP 2nd time – and it will be the same. You can play U2 MP xxxx time and each time experience will be different. Now what's last longer?:)

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

@JackieBoy

It depends on the person, not everyone is the same when it comes to Multiplayer. They enjoy playing SP more and play it more than others.

It's a mixed boat.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I love that you used an image of Vaquish. Top notch game for anyone who likes action packed single player titles.

The online immaturity doesn't bother me as long as I can mute all players. As for fees…well see the article about Sony's PSN online pass.

DLC is nice if it's worth the cost, but most of it is not.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

It (Vanquish) is also top of my summer catch up list…

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

It's not story rich but it's still a whole lot of fun. It's got a nice Japanese feel to it as well. Some one like yourself who appreciates Japanese games should like it.

Fabi
Fabi
9 years ago

I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed Vanquish.

It was one of those games where it was just a joy to control the character. I really felt like I was in full control of his movements at all times. The story might have been pretty bad, but it was just so action-packed that I didn't care!

I hope they make a sequel.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I love the demo, so it's been on my list for a while now.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I need to pick up on Vanq as well, when it comes to DLC I typically buy it when the game was something that really impressed me in a personal way to support the developers. I bought everything for Dante's Inferno except the multiplayer stuff and I'm planning to get the Alice 2 DLC.

sunspider13
sunspider13
9 years ago

Vanquish is like playing a Japanese action movie and I loved every moment of it.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Yeah Vanquish is one of the few "Japanese" games I've played that's got my stamp of approval too. 🙂
It's very true what Jawknee say though, this game is *not* rich on story. It's as action as an action game can get. Full throttle!


Last edited by Beamboom on 7/7/2011 2:01:42 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I think that the thing about multi-player gaming is that in a way it's like those awful facebook games. Ultimately the experience is very routine and hollow. IT's a very mono-dimensional way to game. I agree that it may be suited to younger players or players who have more time than average on their hands. In the long term, I think it's also bad for the industry. If you have 30% of game consumers spending 50% or more of their time in one or two hyper successful shooters and buying up expensive DLC packs to keep up with their friends, the rest of the gaming industry has lost those consumers and their money thanks to the magic of online multiplayer shooting.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

when MySpace was alive I actually got wrapped up into Mafia Wars when a friend had me sign up and played it a little every day. Eventually I kept looking over at my PS3 thinking, why am I still doing this?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I dropped a lot of time and money into a strategy game on Facebook in early 2010. Int eh end, it became more of an obligation because the other members of my alliance expected me to be there all the time, and of course the micro transactions paid for the necessary extras. In the end I found that having been kept away for just two days, my empire was demolished when it was attacked and none of my allies came to my aid. So much for mutual support. I never even logged back into the game once after that, it was enough to teach me that when a multiplayer experience begins to feel like a chore or an obligation, it's time to move on, immediately.

SHADOW
SHADOW
9 years ago

I think it would be nice to see Sony (or Steam, or Microsoft, or whoever) try to implement a personality review system. Let's say you're playing online with people who aren't on your friend's list: after playing a round or two with people you could rate their personality. If they're douchebags you downvote them, if their interesting or funny or whatever you upvote them. Then as this data gets collected from various users people who's personality doesn't mesh with your own will either not be matched with you or be muted by default. This "meshing" would be calculated by determining how you, your friends, and people you've upvoted have rated this person in the past. So if your friend, and several people you've upvoted downvote another player it's probably a safe bet that you would downvote them as well.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Reputations? Nice I like the idea. Even if Sony didn't do it at the PSN level, it could be handled within each specific game.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

What if everyone downvotes the same kid from class because he's not cool? Score one for cyberbullying.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 7/6/2011 11:34:49 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

LOL! There's always one to spoil the party isn't there Worlds….

😉

SHADOW
SHADOW
9 years ago

Reputation scores would be invisible. You would have no way of looking up how people have voted towards you or anyone else. And in theory if the kids classmates are that big of douchebags, then it's likely they will be downvoted for the traditional reasons by the online community at large. Making everything sort of even out. People who've been downvoted by people you downvoted would essentially be neutral from your perspective.

The only group of people who would be really affected by those downvotes are people who all the douchebags are friends with, most likely more kids in the school, but what are the chances of running into people you actually know through matchmaking anyway? So the only realistic way the kid would run into the people affected by the votes of the douchebags is if he was friends with them anyway. In which case the downvotes would be superceded by the friendship (it wouldn't matter how other people have voted towards people on your friend's list).


Last edited by SHADOW on 7/6/2011 11:55:11 PM

JMO_INDY
JMO_INDY
9 years ago

Microsoft already has a Rating System for LIVE members. The star ratings remember? I do remember a Player Rating System on LIVE from when I owned a 360. 3rd paragraph. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/xbox-live4.htm


Last edited by JMO_INDY on 7/7/2011 1:01:37 AM

sunspider13
sunspider13
9 years ago

I like that idea very much. Was playing the U3 beta last night and while playing team deathmatch somebody who was just lvl 3 was getting flack for not being good by one of his so called teammates. Some people just don't have good manners or common sense.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

@sunspider13

Yeah I've seen that a few times online, it's pretty funny when people say that and it comes and bites them and they get owned. LOL

But rank really doesn't matter I don't know why people complain about that.

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

The problem with those systems is that some people (sore sports) will down-rate others for beating them or (like the above example) being a "weak link".

Kai200X
Kai200X
9 years ago

I only want to play online co-op. I got Platinum for all the Assassin's Creed game except Brotherhood cuz I just don't bother with online trophies.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

True, I enjoy the co-op modes in Uncharted far more than anything else in the multi-player universe.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

How do you like this new Hunter mode? I don't like it much. It's just 2 on 2 plunder with a bunch of AI thrown in the mix.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Yeah, I played it twice and disliked it both times, it felt more like a free for all instead of a co-op mode.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Indeed.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Oh I loved that mode. I kept going back for more. I like it because I like survival type games and when there is a wave of enemies holding you down while trying to get the treasure to a certain place across the map it adds great intensity. Even though there isn't a consequence for dying, you still should try to stay alive because when a wave ends that's when you and your teammate really need to take advantage of only competing against the other team, you really need to work together at that point to move the treasure. I love game modes where I have to strategize.

Your guys are playing with the wrong people for I not to feel like co-op that mode takes so much team work to move the treasure around.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 7/7/2011 10:39:42 AM

556pineapple
556pineapple
9 years ago

This article is EXACTLY how I feel about online multiplayer. Local/split-screen is something different, because you're with the other players having a blast. I find little to no enjoyment logging on to the server and playing with a bunch of immature strangers, especially if I'll have to pay extra for it. Playing online exclusively with friends is something different though. It's only one step below split-screen for me. I guess I just don't see the enjoyment in it.

StangMan80
StangMan80
9 years ago

online only good for a very few reasons. The people with 'dem mics ruin the experience. But they are 12 year olds.

The real stuff and the fulfillment is all in the single player campaigns. oh and split screen. 🙂

godsdream
godsdream
9 years ago

And when the playstation brand 3dtv comes out, imagine the split screen fun!