As I was playing Shadows of the Damned the other day, it suddenly struck me: is this very distinct Japanese flair dying? In another decade, will it even exist at all?

It's not just about anime, which has always helped to define the Japanese video game market; a title like July's Catherine will never be as popular in the West. It goes well beyond that. As most veteran gamers know, there's a unique style and artistry that goes along with many Japanese productions. Sometimes, it's subtle and almost indefinable, but it's always there and it always lends the interactive production a recognizable aura. Shadows , for instance, walks that fine line between seriousness and comical tongue-and-cheek entertainment. It's gory and dark but that streak of Japanese influence is obvious and in this day and age, refreshing.

And as Western development studios continue to dominate and the Japanese designers desperately try to change their ways to suit Western tastes, that singular motif described above may disappear completely. Whether it's Resident Evil or Metal Gear Solid or Soul Calibur , all such franchises are very obviously Japanese, and that particular style is on the wane. And I don't count Mario , Zelda , and the other Nintendo franchises, as they've never really changed; they've also catered to a younger demographic. I'm referring more to dramatic, cutting-edge productions designed to compete with the Western big boys. There's just a certain attitude in Japanese titles and some people like that.

Even when Japanese designers attempt to emulate Western styles, it's never a complete transformation; there's always a small semblance of the Japanese culture that leaks through. So why deny it? Can it really be that nobody cares anymore? Will Japanese gamers be forced to adopt Western styles if they wish to continue playing games? Well, of course not. But maybe those titles won't be released over here…like, none of them.

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Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I hope it's not doomed, I love the Japanese artistry put into games and also Anime.

Nlayer
Nlayer
9 years ago

I'm sure there will always be at least one small company making Japanese styled games. Though we might never see it over here in the USA.

I'll always have Anime for Japanese style though. Unless that starts to completely change in which case I would be very surprised.


Last edited by Nlayer on 6/26/2011 9:56:20 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It's a bad trend. The problems occur when the Japanese devs try to do western things. The games come out bad and worthless and us fans of Japanese games get nothing. Maybe Japan influence won't ever sell like CoD and Halo, but they will always sell better if they stick to what makes them great. I enjoyed Ar Tonelico, but there was absolutely no reason to put in an action mechanic.

How is it possible that us gamers know what is good for the industry and the devs and publishers have no idea?

GuernicaReborn
GuernicaReborn
9 years ago

You're exactly right world. Japanese developers had their own perfect little niche(wasn't that "little" at all, to be honest), fans were happy and games were more diverse than ever.

But then they felt if they westernized their games, they would sell more copies. If you ask me, their problem is that they got too greedy between last gen and this gen.

I don't fully understand it. They had their place, and it seemed to be working for them. Why ruin that?

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

I actually don't mind westernization as I have not played too many games to have as deep a bond as the gamers are on this website.

I do want to say one thing though. The market is there for Japanese games, just see the old PSone and PS2 sales in Final Fantasy RPGs. 8-10 million. Why the hell is Square Enix trying to Westernize their games when they can't even satisfy the original 8-10 million supporters? Sell 12-14 million copies of FFXIII then I would shut up and think "maybe Square Enix made the right business choice…".

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Godsman,

You may like westernization now, but put it this way, "you can buy any car you want as long as it's black…". That was what you could say before we had diversity among car makers. I we lose the Japanese style, influence, flair, or whatever you want to call it and all game share the same artistic style and game play, game will be very boring. You need that diversity, the differences, they Japanese and the western, all of it. Otherwise you lose something valuable.

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
9 years ago

We, the gamers have been the customers, buying these products called games for over a decade. In the world of business, if you produce something that people want, you will flourish. If you don't, you will fall.

It is only natural that we gamers know what best for the industry because we helped make this industry. Lets never forget that. Companies/developers grow so big on the success that is gained from giving us what we actually want that they get to a point where they think they can trail away from that and do anything, thinking they will never fail.

MS , with all their advertising power, has tainted the Japanese devs and has no doubt been an influence in leaving them confused. After MS failed with the first xbox to Sony, you know that had to put in a plan to make sure it wouldn't happen again. In doing so , they have managed to alter this industry, especially when it comes to the Japenese devs.

If what I say has no merit, then I beg the question: Why hasn't this ever happened before?

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
9 years ago

Highlander

Good way of putting this into perspective.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

It's Japanese games that got me started on gaming, so I would dread to see the day that it actually "goes away". While I am a big fan of Uncharted, Infamous, God of War, Assassins Creed, and other top-notch western productions, there is always something refreshing and unique that I could only get from playing games made in Japan.

It's rather telling that my PS2 library is mostly comprised of Japanese games. I bought a PS2 because that's where SEGA moved the Sakura Taisen (Sakura Wars) franchise after they stopped producing the Dreamcast. It was then when I got introduced to the games made from outside Japan. I liked them too, of course, but I also look forward to playing my next Japanese-style game. I miss the days when Final Fantasy is distinctly Japanese (or Asian) when it comes to its lore and gameplay. I don't think any western developer would've thought of a marvel like Okami and actually make it. And how could we forget ICO and Shadow of the Colossus? Easily wo of the most artistic games ever made!

So no, I would always miss how unique games from Japan are. It's so sad that most Japanese developers completely lost the plot this console generation and thought that all gamers want are realistic-looking shooters and Hollywood-style explosions. It would be a very sad day for me when all the things that made Japanese games great get flushed down the drain.

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

If you don't mind me asking, is it because you are an asian guy that's why you prefer more Japanese games?

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

Not necessarily. It is possible, but I don't think it is. I've been exposed to western stuff all my life, but my fascination for most things Japanese only started around the early 2000s.

And again, I am not saying that I prefer the Japanese games over the western ones. I just want to see them flourish alongside the excellent ones being made in the West.

Edit: I probably forgot, but I don't remember ever posting here I am from Asia. If you recalled that from another post, I would have to commend your memory! ūüôā


Last edited by ZettaiSeigi on 6/26/2011 10:57:54 PM

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

Asian high five

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I'm not Asian and I like Asian games, and Anime. I also like the culture.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I'm as English and blue-eyed as they come. Love the Japanese style much better.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Zettai, I sort of remembered that, I have a mental mapping of many posters here, it's not very precise, but I generally have the regulars sorted out by region. Judging by your comment elsewhere in this section, you're from the Philippines?

I got hooked on Japanese culture, or at least very much more interested in it thanks to the novel Shogun. However, I always loved 'Japanimation' and grew up on a diet of re-voiced cartoons on TV. I watched and then bought a version of Akira (can't remember if it was dubded or sub-titled), about a decade before that was popular in the west outside a very specific group of 'Manga' fans. Actually, now I think about it I think it was sub-titled, because I remember being enormously disapointed when I saw it again later on cable TV, as a dubbed version – something was missing from the movie.

All that aside, purely from a gaming point of view, Japanese games have something different to games made in the west. I love both, I mean, Uncharted, inFamous, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Doom, Duke Nukem, Quake, Civilization, Sim City and even Halo (yes I enjoyed the original Halo folks – believe it or not) etc… all games that come from Western developers, all games I loved to play. However, my list of my top 10 games all time includes Xenosaga, Gran Turismo, Final fantasy, Valkyria Chronicles, Soul Calibur, and other JRPGs nearly too numerous to mention. You might expect me to be interested in games featuring samurai, well a bit, I really did enjoy Genji Days of the Blade, probably a lot more than most did, and I'm sure I could get into a lot of other games that are more straight hack and slash (and more samurai themed), if it wasn't for the fact the I like so many other games too.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I also enjoyed Genji Highlander, I love everything Samurai and Ninja's.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

Ahhh, in that case, I did post where I am from. LOL My bad. So yeah, I credit Godsman and you Highlander for that. Excellent memory I must say! And does that mean I'm considered a "regular" here now? LOL

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Zettai, is there any doubt as to your regular contributor status? Not here… LOL!

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

I'm nowhere near being as recognized as you, Worlds, BikerSaint, Jawknee, and hell, even Mr. Spacebar (a.k.a. World's cowpatty), but it's good to be associated to (mostly) classy netizens.

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

The Japanese would have a sense of humor. Like MGS4, there would be a scene where Snake crouches next to a pissing guard. The same scene to be made in an American game, would turn out nasty and disgusting.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Bro, I remember that scene…that was corny. I'm pretty sure a Western game wouldn't make it nasty unless your speaking about Bulletstorm or something.

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

I myself love the artistry that comes out of Japan. Final Fantasy, Okami, Metal Gear Solid, and Silent Hill are some of my favorite games of all time. I think many others will too once they finally kick off the training wheels known as first person shooters (and they will) and try something a little more deep and original. I missed out on a whole generation of jrpgs during the PS1 era because back then I really didn't understand them (had training wheels on). But now I'm the proud owner of the physical copies of games like Dragon Warrior VII, Grandia, Xenogears, Legend of Dragoon, and soon Legend of Legaia. I think trends also fluctuate, and right now West is on top and East on the bottom. I bet it'll change. Nothing ever stays the same, I have hope it'll even out.
=^.^=


Last edited by Claire C on 6/26/2011 11:53:57 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

If not, we will all have to learn Japanese, though from what I have seen, it's easier to learn to speak than read/write in Japanese.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

It's easier in a way to speak Japanese because if you find a "romaji" text, you would most likely be able to say it right as you just need to read it "the way it is spelled". Where to put the stress is pretty much the only concern there.

Writing Japanese can be tough and you'd really need to take lessons to be good at it. They have three writing systems, each one having their own purpose. I taught myself to read the Hiragana and Katakana characters, and that was relatively easy. Writing them is another thing, since you have to learn how to do the strokes properly. Almost all people learning Japanese are actually "drawing" them instead of "writing".

Ah well. Sorry to go off-topic there. LOL

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Not at all, any insight is appreciated. I find that I'm able to pick out perhaps as many as 100 different words and phrases in spoken Japanese, but reading them is a non-starter. Isn't one of the writing systems a system of phonetic symbols that match the phonetics of the spoken language, so that you can write as you would speak?

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

I didn't mean to put down FPSs, I should have worded it differently.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

Two of their writing systems are actually syllabic, and those are the Hiragana and Katakana writing systems I mentioned earlier.

Katakana is used mostly for their "loaned words" (e.g. foreign names or anything that does not exist in the Japanese vocabulary). Hiragana, on the other hand, is used plainly for Japanese words but may not have the equivalent Kanji symbol.

I have read somewhere that there are still Japanese people who struggle with Kanji, and for a reason. Kanji is complicated. Katakana and Hiragana mostly use simple strokes to write (maximum of 4 strokes per character IIRC). But Kanji are those that require more than that and you could easily spot them if they're written next to any Hiragana or Katana character. Kanji also could stand for two or more syllables. In a way, think of Kanji as something that stands for an idea rather than for an actual word, if that makes any sense.

Anyway, that's what got me interested in Japanese. What I told you above are pretty much what I've learned on my own, so I could definitely be mistaken somewhere. I'm a frustrated polyglot and I can't help it. So sue me. LOL

PS: I guess the reason I found Japanese easy to a very small degree is because Tagalog (my native language) is also syllabic. We also read words the way they are spelled, just like the Japanese people do.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Isn't Kanji based on the iconographic 'written' language used in China?

As for the other two 'character sets', roughly how many characters do you have to learn for each?

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

That was some very interesting posts, ZettaiSeigi! Cool with such insightful posts around here.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

Nice to hear such feedback from you guys. Sorry to really go off-topic, but since you're asking… LOL

Anyway, there are 48 characters for both Katakana and Hiragana systems. So that's a total 96 just for the two systems alone. I'm not sure if I could actually speak for others, but these two are really easy to read (stressing on the reading part).

And you're right Highlander, Kanji was based from the one in China and it is indeed what you said. Japan and China do share a lot of Kanji characters, but as you would expect, they do have differing meanings (although a good few may still impart the same idea).

Again, I blame SakuTai on all this. LOL

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

*Dragon Warrior 7 high five*

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I think I will try to learn both Hiragana and Katakana along with some spoken Japanese. It sounds like Kanji is the kind of writing system that you either study as an academic (when it's not your first language) or you grow up with and therefore learn from birth. Either way, it kind of seems like you may master it, but you may never know the entire written language (Kanji).

As for the Spoken Japanese along with Romanji, Hiragana and Katakana, I think I can cope with that, as long as the games from Japan use one or other of Hiragana and Katakana for menus and other text. It's still a daunting prospect though.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

Hghlander, I think you would find Hiragana and Katakana easy to master. You just have to know the distinction between the two. I find myself getting confused between the two on several occasions. LOL

If you intend to learn how to speak Japanese, the easiest start is to watch Japanese animation and TV shows.

Like I mentioned before, I got my start with SakuTai and that was a pretty much all-encompassing franchise (video games, tons of music, anime, manga, stage plays, etc.) It's also a series that derives a lot of its humour on clever puns and other sorts of wordplay. When I first played the games, I kept wondering why SEGA never bothered to export the games to the West. But after realizing how much the franchise is "heavily Japanese", I could see why that never happened. It would be a very tough job to localize and the humour could easily get lost in translation. And for that same reason do I commend NISA for making a huge effort to bring Sakura Wars 5 to the West. But alas, it seems that it did not sell a lot of copies.

Anyway, good luck if you decide to pursue studying Japanese. I assure you it would be fun. I was seriously considering taking formal lessons at one time, but that never materialized for several reasons. I would definitely love to do it though granted that I get more time to do so, and honestly, more funds. LOL

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Thanks!

Actually I may have a huge advantage on learning Japanese. My son is home schooled. He is on the higher functioning end of the Autism spectrum and profoundly ADD. Public school was failing him utterly, he went from being an A student in the first couple of years of school to being in remedial classes – and failing those – by 3rd grade. So we took him out and my wife teaches him at home now. Either way, he's technically in high school now, and has a strong interest in Japanese pop culture – anime and such. He wants to learn Japanese as part of his school curriculum, so I think that we'll be doing the Japanese lessons as a family. Not sure how we'll find a good program for him though, my wife has to investigate over the summer.

Thanks for the encouragement though. If we find a good program or system for learning, I'll post something on the Off Topic forum. I hope it works out though, there are dozens of games I'd import if I could speak Japanese well enough to cope. I hope that the games let you choose one of the character sets other than Kanji.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

You're very much welcome, Highlander! If there's anything I could help you with, feel free to ask. Though I may miss it due to the nature of the comments section. Perhaps I should start actively participating in the Forums. LOL

With my experience with the few Japanese games I've played, I was not given a choice to select which writing system to use when playing. While quite unfortunate, we again have to consider that the games I played relied heavily on wordplay. Converting the words to either systems would lose such elements, and hence what made the games great for its fans. Perhaps the other games would not be as restrictive.

What you're about to venture out to (studying Japanese with the entire family) seems to be really exciting. Studying Japanese on your own should be fun enough, but it would be miles better with family and friends. Perhaps you'd surprise me one of these days when you're already posting in full Japanese, and in Kanji too! Hahaha!

Btw, I was advised by some Japanese friends to actually go to Japan after I've learned enough Japanese. And I agree. The best way to learn a language is to actually immerse yourself into it. I think you already have a head start, since you already know a few Japanese words. I think it is best that you familiarize yourself with the most common words and greetings, enough to get yourself around and ask simple questions. I've been told that Japan's transportation system (the trains) are quite lenient to tourists since they all have the names in Kanji, Hiragana/Katakana, and of course, Latin alphabets.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Several thoughts.

Ben, I honestly thought that when PSN and digital delivery arrived it would facilitate *more* of those Japanese games being released. I though that the vastly reduced costs of publication of a game on PSN would allow many more titles from Japan (and elsewhere) to be sold world wide via PSN. Look at the many Japanese games we never see, they only need a straight translation of text, menus and subtitles, no further localization is required. The cost of that is very limited compared to the cost of re-voicing the entire game as well as localizing all signage and so forth. For a very low investment the makers so so many Japanese games could so as the anime companies have, sell their product to fans hungry for it here in the West. I do not understand why this can't be done. I do not understand why it's not an option – apparently – since it clearly offers a low cost way to garner perhaps hundreds of thousands (or more) of new sales.

As for the wider question about the Japanese artistry and flare. I honestly think that the gaming industry is doing it to itself. Actually, to be more precise, the English speaking games industry is unwittingly (I hope) doing it to itself. What I mean by this is the apparently widely accepted notion that Japanese devs are inferior, the widespread opinion that somehow JRPG games and other games infused with that artistry and flare are somehow less worth they games like GTA or CoD. As this generation has progresses I have noticed an undercurrent, almost a xenophobic, or perhaps chauvinistic, sentiment that places Western games above Japanese games in every regard.

It's absolutely wrong to do that, I can't even tell you how many kinds of wrong it is, but I sense that undercurrent among gamers, much of the gaming media and even publishers/ developers. I mean, look at what happens if you have the temerity to think that a JRPG is a good genre. Apart from places (very few) like PSXExtreme, you'll be berated for that opinion, or at very least belittled for it.

But, it that kind of attitude, that kind of undercurrent that is doing the damage to Japanese games. The absolutely worst part of it is that hyper successful games like CoD have given Japanese game publishers the message that to make the billions CoD makes, you have to follow that template. The attitude present in western gamers and developers is felt by the Japanese developers, so much so that *THEY* believe it. Their own management and leadership are seeing CoD and telling their devs to imitate it in some way, and the feeling that the devs get from western gamers and developers is that somehow the Japanese are behind the times, backwards, inferior, and that to catch up they have to copy successful western games.

Ironically enough, I think that the truth is the opposite. Western Porgrammers are very adept at the technical side of games, they are great at building huge open environments 3D shooters, and 3D character and object models, they are great at sound design and all of the technology. What Western developers often fail at though is the play. Yes, there are some very notable exceptions to this. But, I finds that in general Japanese games are more pleasant to watch and play and they are simply more fun – in general. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but in general I've found it to be true. I think that the Japanese game designers and developers have retained a batter understanding of what a game is, thei8r games are still games to play with.

If we lost this Japanese influence we lose something vital to gaming, and we lose variety. I don't believe hat anyone in the western development community can compensate for that loss.

I don't know if we will see to go completely, the Japanese Home market will remain somewhat vibrant, it's large enough to survive on it's own. Plus, even with anime, we still get occasional dubbed released, and us hardcore fans can always watch at Cruncyroll with subtitles.

All that said, no western developer would ever have produced Soul Calibur, Tekken, Street Fighter, Gran Turismo, Yakuza, Final Fantasy, Xenosaga, Xenogears, White Knight Chronicles, Atelier games, Ar Tonelica, Tales of…, Valkyria Chronicles, Harvest Moon, etc….

Frankly, without games like the ones I just listed, gaming would lose a lot of it's attraction. I doubt I'd spend half as much as I do without Japanese games.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

I second the motion!

kevinater321
kevinater321
9 years ago

The problem is most Westerns think that they are "superior" to pretty much everyone.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

And non-westerns think they are superior because they don't think they're superior like those westerns and are humble unlike those darn westerns.

lol

kevinater321
kevinater321
9 years ago

lol underdog, that's not what i meant. I mean that i just get a vibe from the western society that they think they are better than other societies. I'm a westerner myself and i know a lot of people who think they are superior.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I know, Kev, I was just poking fun. :p

I think it's a human flaw, though. "Pride comes before a fall" isn't a modern teaching, afterall. People pride themselves on a large variety of things. I've got plenty, myself. Worst part of all, I know I should be a LOT more humble than I am. I just can't bring myself to be that way. lol

A bitter circle indeed!

bentl78
bentl78
9 years ago

I wonder why shadow of the damned lack the ad it deserves.. i havent heard about it until just recently.. and it seems, not many arer talking about it either..

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Personally, I have never been captured by the Japanese style of gaming. I understand its refreshing and colorful appeal, but the over dramatic/corny/bubble gum flavor of this style isn't really my cup of tea. It's pretty obvious this style is done. I love MGS, but I always hated the "over-dramaticness" and weird noises female characters made. FFXIII and Bayonetta may be the purest form of this culture I have ever tasted and I liked Bayonetta, but that game was weird. FFXIII had a good story, but the cliches, the overdramatics. The fantasy in Japanese culture is very strong and because of that, it doesn't appeal to alot of people…myself included.

But with that said, I don't want it to die because I enjoyed FFXIII and Bayonetta.

But I disagree with people who say Western games are nothing, but shooters. AC, Batman, etc are not shooters. And those same people will turn around and say they love UC because its a PS3 exclusive, but its a shooter. And then they say they hate CoD because it ruined Japanese gaming. Seriously, Japanese developers brought this on themselves by trying to compete with the Western market instead of just creating good games.

Face it, Western developers make better games nowadays so give credit where credit is due.


Last edited by FM23 on 6/27/2011 1:58:54 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Face it, you sound a tad bit xenophobic and defensive.

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

So far I haven't seen anybody here say that Western games are "nothing". So rest easy. The point is a lot of people who enjoy Japanese games are hard-pressed to find the things they liked about the games that are now coming out from Japan. Sure, it is not for everybody (like you), but there are still a lot of them that enjoy them and miss them badly.

And I agree with what you said about Japanese devs bringing this on themselves. Because a lot of them pretty much sold out.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Do I because that's not where I'm coming from at all. I'm just saying…people always like to blame the Japanese market downfall on western games. Blame Japaneses developers for messing up their winning formula. And I know people on this site are avid Japanese gaming fans, but everyone doesn't feel this way towards Japanese games or their relevance. Like I said I loved MGS because it wasn't all anime and ish, but Bayonetta and FFXIII were a little to extreme for my taste even though I enjoyed them both (both are 8.5+ games in my book).

I get tired of reading about how Western games are so this and that, but they truth of the matter is most of the good games are western developed and most are pretty diverse. I've never paid attention to Western or Japanese tailored games, but since I started coming to this site…I have learned this difference between the two. I didn't even know MGS was a Japanese game until MGS4 came out. But I like to play games that are good and ironically, imo…most came out of the West. That's really my point.

This is just opinion. Like I said, I don't want this style to die as I'm waiting for The Last Guardian and the ICO collection to hit, but I just dislike the way some people on here complain about the West when the west is creating some pretty good games that aren't just shooters. Notice how I never bash Japanese games saying they suck or anything, I just say the stories are full of cliches, etc(RE, MGS, SH). And at the same time, they are full of so much character…thats what really stuck out to me in FFXIII and Bayonetta. Really takes fantasy to another dimension, but I still find it weird most of the time.

I'm not bashing Japanese style at all. Remember that people. I'm just blaming its downfall on the developers and their mindset towards a changing industry


Last edited by FM23 on 6/27/2011 2:28:38 AM

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Tell me FM, how many Japanese/Asian people have you spent time with, and I mean REALLY spent time with? At work, we have a constant rotation of backpackers, many of them hailing from Asia, and let me tell you that what you term 'overdramatics' is pretty accurate to they way that they talk and act. Well, it is emphasised in video games to a degree, but it is very much reflective of reality. Some of the strangest, and most fun people that I've yet met have come from Japan, and I have a healthy respect for their actions. Perhaps that's why I don't see their games as being peculiar to the point of turning me off…

Also, don't get me wrong, Western games are often much better from a general standpoint than Asia-developed games, but they also lack a certain uniqueness. I'm not implying that they're all simply copycats or whatever, but a lot of them tend to blend together after a while IMO.


Last edited by Lawless SXE on 6/27/2011 2:29:17 AM

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

@Lawless…Yes and NO. I hangout or hung out with alot of Japanese people. Mainly in college, but alot of them either acted black or white depending on the crowd I was around. So in a way, I am not familiar with the overdramatics…lol

But I agree all the way with you when you say Japanese games have a uniqueness to them. That is so true. MGS and Demons Souls are some of the best games ever imo. And then something like Bayonetta and FFXIII placed alot of wonder in my mind even though I found them weird. I have nothing against Japanese gaming as I agree with you, but I just hate when people try to blame the downfall of Japanese games on Western developers…thats a weak argument.

Blame the Japanese developers for destroying their own art you know.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Oh, I agree that Japanese developers are indeed sinking themselves. At the same time, the blame has to fall somewhere, and that is firmly at the feet of Western developers, not for actively trying to cut out the Japanese aesthetic or whatever, but for becoming so immensely popular that they come across as having a certain draw not shared by Eastern games. That being said, it firmly results from a skewed viewpoint by Eastern developers. They're losing money as a result of the overabundance of Western games, and their own style can't really compete sales-wise, so something has to change. Unfortunately, it almost always results in losing of their unique identity.
Peace.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

I agree! To blame western games for the lack of quality japanese games would be like… Like blaming western pop music for the lack of japanese rock on the charts?
Or something.

We all agree it's a loss but one can not be held responsible for the other.


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/27/2011 3:54:21 AM