First there was a retail leak and now comes an official page to verify the rumor.

As translated by Andriasang , Sony plans to introduce a new CECH-300B PlayStation 3 model in Japan this month. This revamped machine will only be available in Charcoal Black but it saves on power: the console has a lower power consumption (200 watts compared to the old 230 watts) and a lower weight (2.6kg compared to 3.0kg). Plus, it'll come with a new 320GB hard drive, thereby doubling the capacity of the previously standard 160GB HDD. The price is the same, of course, but sadly, consumers will still see the same accessories inside the box…we keep thinking that eventually, Sony will wise up and toss an HDMI cable in there. It's a high definition machine; don't make those who want true HD buy something else.

Oh, and for all you JRPG fanatics, Namco Bandai has announced the Tales of Xillia X Edition hardware bundle. It only has the 160GB machine but it's still pretty slick-looking; check it out through the link above. No word on when the more efficient PS3 will hit other regions, and the chances of seeing that Tales of Xillia X Edition in the US are…well, slim.

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Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

D1P right here guys =p

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

When this new more efficient (and probably slightly more secure) PS3 model drops in the US, I will grab one to replace my 60GB workhorse. She needs to be kept in ti-top condition, and so will likely enter semi-retirement with a wee bit of TLC thanks to a professional cleaning, and refurb job – in due course.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

i will buy one as well.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Highlander,
Did you get your baby back from Gophermods yet?
And if so, what did you think of their workmenship so far.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Biker, the phat princess sent to Gopher was DOA. Her GPU was fried. I don't know how, since there was never any indication that it was having heat related issues, no picture artifacts, no odd behavior. Simply one day the system was switched on, flashed the yellow LED, and then immediately shutdown to the stand-by state. Gopher re-flowed it twice, and everything else checked out, but the GPU has gone, and so the system is still sitting in the shipper waiting for Sony to reply to me about their service so I can at least get a refurb replacement.

I was happy with Gophermod's service, but having my system fall into the 5-10% that are not fixable was a bit of a blow.

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

Highlander, did you request a reflow, or reball service from them? The price difference between them is pretty significant, so I'm wondering if it's even worth it to reflow as I've been hearing it's only a temporary fix. If the reball is proven to work, I'd definitely get the service.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Reflow. The reballing only works on the GPU, and only if the GPU is viable. The reballing service will not help any other element of your system, they are not comparable services.

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

Oh, they're not comparable? On the site, they listed the same symptoms for both services, so I'm rather confused. They both state YLOD/Overheat issues. So how do you know which service exactly to take then? My ps3 can sometimes turn on for about 20 or so seconds after a long period of sleep. Does that mean, it's only the connection between the gpu and cpu that's the problem? Thanks so much btw.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

The only way to know is a diagnostic test. The reflow fixes the majority of cases, but in some a reballing is necessary. I can't remember the specifics of their diagnostic, but the reballing is specific to the GPU, the reflow refreshes all the solder points on the motherboard. The reflow will not fix the issue that the reballing fixes, and reballing will not fix an issue with a bad joint on the CPU.

thj_1980
thj_1980
9 years ago

Reballing is the way to go!!!

Reflowing is alright if you tend to keep using for your system for a month or two (more if done correctly) or to get your data off that system.

Reballing is sort of the better fix that lasts longer since you will be getting new solder between the GPU and CPU.

Most reballs are done with lead solder instead of lead-free since lead free supplies cost much more.

Now the thing that scares off a lot of people including myself is the fact reballing standardly by most repairshops that offer it is that it uses lead.

Now to my understanding you shouldn't lick the GPU or CPU after reballing (stupid if you do and why would you?) is most likely the only way to get lead poisoning.

My question is:

since the ps3 heats up really hot while playing games, is it possible that a lead reballed system can release fumes of heated lead into the room for you to breath in little by little?

I know back then electronics used to be soldered with lead.

Anyone want to help me out
?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Shadowknight,

Reballing and reflowing address completely different problems. And as for the lead vapor question, if the GPU is getting sufficiently hot to vaporize lead, there's no chance at all that it will survive the process, nor would the rest of the PS3.

Reflowing is a process that allows new solder to enter cracked joints. Reballing (of the GPU) only affects the GPU, if any other element on the motherboard – such as the CPU – has a bad joint, reballing the GPU will do zilch to help you.

Most places that reflow also remove the HSF and replace the thermal compound. If there is no irreparable damage to the system, a reflow, new thermal compound and a good cleaning of the system will go a long way to giving it new life extending possibly to years. Reballing is a technique that addresses one specific thing that can be wrong with your system, it's not a magic cure, and it's no more permanent than the other things that can be done since the reason for the faulty ball solder joints is thermal flexing, which will continue to occur if the system is used at all.

thj_1980
thj_1980
9 years ago

Yes highlander!!!!

The things you say amazes me!!

I guess you weren't the only one who knew about the thermal paste under the heat plates.

Yeah changing that is a big process too! I proper relflow would get that changed up with some arctic silver 5!

Yes I know if your CPU is bad, reballing the GPU is worthless since the problem is on the other chip no the GPU

But overall if you changed the gpu's heatplate paste and reballed the results would be awesome and you would pretty much have a whole new system!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

What I can't figure out is that if they can reball the GPU, why can't they pull a working GPU from another system and install it in a new one? That's all that was left wrong with my baby. A new GPU would have been a cure. To reball the thing, you have to get the heat sink off, and get under the GPU. I'm sure there's a reason, I just don't know it.

thj_1980
thj_1980
9 years ago

add me on psn if you want to discuss more about it.I use same name

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Highlander, took me a while to remember where I posted this to you…

Anyway, sorry to hear that your baby was DOA too.

Even after it had been smashed, Gophermods still did the whole reflow on my Phat princess, but once testing it out afterwards, they found that it was DOA too, with no audio or visual to the TV.
When I asked Cory(Goghermods owner) about it, he told me that it had to be from the jarring that my PS3 took when one of the USPS a$$hats slammed my baby down, right on her front right corner. And he sent me a letter stating that, just so I could add it into my $500 USPS claims paperwork

And I'm still awaiting the USPS's decision on my claim(after re-sending the receipt for a 2nd time), so I foresee them trying to stall me some more, for as long as they can.
But I WILL wind up suing them if they do decide to say no.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i still think we will see a price cut this year. i've read that ms has combined the cpu/gpu and memory onto one silicon thus lowering costs and decreasing power consumption. they have some wiggle room for a price cut. surely the ps3 would follow.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

The fact that this new Ps3 model is lighter and slimmer in consumption suggests also a price cut from Sony.

Better yet, an even quieter operating unit.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 6/20/2011 11:14:25 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Not sure it's been done yet, I've read that is what they want to do, but the articles I say were talking about the System on a chip design as being where they want to go with the 360. If they can do that, it would be logical to launch a newer, slimmer, less expensive 360 at next year's E3…

Temjin, between the various special offers knocking $50-$100 off the PS3 recently, it appears that Sony is trying to clear the channels of the old 160GB models – presumably in preparation for a new model. I still think we'll see a new price announced at GDC or TGS this year, $249.99, along with the new cooler, quieter, lighter and perhaps smaller models.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 6/20/2011 11:48:34 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

This is what Bi get for not keeping an eye on Microsoft.
LOL!

The so-called System on a Chip is the integration of Xenos and Xenon on the same piece of silicon, and was done for the launch of the Squat systems. I though we were talking about a truly System on a Chip design that integrates the memory and other components besides the CPU/GPU on a single piece of silicon.

So, in fact the current 360 squats use this system on a chip that combines the CPU and GPU in one package already.

Apologies for the mistake.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i'm pretty sure ms has done it. if you do a google search there are a ton headlines on jue 12 that say ms announces new SOC(system on chip) processor. it combines cpu/gpu and memory onto one silicon. that should lower costs a lot since there less chips. it took five yrs to design, and ms claims its the first of its kind.

ha! highlander i just read your post above. i watch ms like a hawk. you know, keep an eye on the enemy, right?


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 6/20/2011 1:54:36 PM

bebestorm
bebestorm
9 years ago

Tales of Xillia X Edition is sweet Im seriously considering getting it. Its best looking ps3 since Yakuza!

big6
big6
9 years ago

Yup, whenever this comes across to North America, I'll be getting it.

I already have a Phat (YLOD) and Slim, but if this one uses less power, it's a done deal!

NiteKrawler
NiteKrawler
9 years ago

I need a new PS3, and I think I'm going to wait for a price drop. I won't wait any longer than 11/11/11 though and I'm sure you all know why. ūüėČ

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

You could always get the PC version.

Bwahahahahahahaaaaa

I kill me.

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Man I want this new PS3 real bad. I want to retire my original 40GB.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Any reason why, if it is working well?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

The 40GB systems used 60nm chips and don't suffer anything like the same level of heat problems that the originals using the older generation chips do. the original RSX and Cell are space heaters by comparison to what is in the slim systems today, and the 40GB system was somewhere in between those in terms of heat output. It's always nice to preserve your system, but the 40GB systems should last better.

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

It would definitely take a price drop for me to buy a second one, but I'm still glad to see them make improvements on an already excellent design.

RobiinzZ
RobiinzZ
9 years ago

Ps3 slim n lite xD

psxmax
psxmax
9 years ago

Engadget – "Based on information handed to us by SCE in February, we're surmising that you'll need HDMI / HDCP in order to get 1080p video playback from Blu-ray Discs; otherwise, it'll be limited to 480i over piracy concerns. Other non-AACS content — games included — should be exempt from the restrictions."

Tantaicbs – "There are also several external changes to the power and eject buttons, along with the removal of LED lamps."

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

oops wrong spot.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 6/20/2011 3:37:27 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I recently read that a spokeswoman let the cat out of the bag about the last Tales that MS paid for "Western Exclusivity" and that's why we will never see it.

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

That's just crazy, in the sense that MS seems really insecure, if that's the case.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

MS can kiss my a….

I will *never* buy any Microsoft console product – ever. I view them as the single most destructive force in the gaming industry. they are truly a cancer within the industry. Sony and Nintendo might do well to informally team up to stamp MS out of the industry.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

as much as i would love to see that happen, i think it would be really tough to stamp out ms now that they are so entrenched. they are a dangerous opponet with deep pockets that i really underestimated. they want to be in people's living rooms. i don't see them abadoning thta anytime soon.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I'm curious Highlander, what specifically has MS done to incite the strong feelings?

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i know where these feelings come from. ms bought marketshare. ms questionable business tactics like astrouturfing. ms paying for exclusitivity. finally, ms outperforming sony this gen is a tough pill for a lot of sony fans to swallow including myself. i'm not too proud to admit that.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

A lot of y disdain for MS comes from my experience with them in 20 years of business IT. However, specifically with gaming, they have – in my opinion – been one of the major elements that have caused the demise of JRPGs on consoles. Their practice of buying exclusivity of JRPGs that were formerly PS2 or Nintendo franchises has made it impossible for people to stick the the platform of their choice and enjoy games of their choice. I don't honestly remember seeing quite so much buying of exclusivity before. that's not to say tehre was none, but MS has been extremely active specifically buying exclusivity for games that would nuder most circumstances be considered more natural for the Playstation audience. They do this specifically to try to attract PlayStation users to Xbox, but from their business point of view it doesn't matter if gamers make the move or not because paid exclusivity weakens the PlayStation platform by depriving gamers on that platform of the games expected to arrive, it also weakens the genre because consistently taking the games away from the more fertile market by literally buying them, it makes it hard to see the sales needed to justify sequels and continuing innovation in the genre.

We talk regularly about the demise of the JRPG and also turn based RPGs here. I lay 100% of the blame for that squaely at the feet of Microsoft and their practice of paying out 30 pieces of silver to companies like Square Enix and Namco to betray their former customer base who were and are predominantly PlayStation gamers. The impact of those exclusivity deals hurt the sales of JRPGs in the first few years of this generation, and the effects of that are still being felt. For them to continue the destructive practice is simply adding insult to injury.

I could write another 15,000 words about their general business practices and their behavior in the world of Business but it wouldn't fit here, nor add much. Suffice to say I feel that Microsoft is worthy of the dislike, disdain and loathing that they receive.

People can disagree with me if they like, I don't give a crap. Microsoft is what it is, and it's *not* healthy to have a large organization repeatedly distorting the market by by-passing consumers and preventing products from reaching them.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 6/20/2011 4:28:05 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Ah, didn't realize you have worked with them at a business level.
I'd imagine it'd be hard to buy into a product line if you had strong resentment for the back end of their business practices.
As for myself, I have more of a consumer relationship with the chaps. Right now my only real beef with them is how they're handling the KINECT marketing. Really annoys me.
Though, hopefully in time they'll produce more I like and things can be like normal again.

Oh and we all know what will eventually happen with that 30 pieces of silver and the person who had it ūüėČ
Perhaps it'll purchase a Potter's Field to bury the mountain of RroD'd 360's in
=p

PorkChopGamer
PorkChopGamer
9 years ago

Well, I think in board meetings now they will really take into fanboys who care more about a piece of plastic than supporting great devs, just because they feel 'betrayed'. Well, sit here and wring your hands about missed games. That's always productive.

Sony's bought games as well. Heavy Rain, Heavenly Sword, and LittleBigPlanet to name a few. Or Ghostbusters in Europe. Or timed GTA on the PS2. Oh, that's right! It's Sony, so it's cool.

You're funny, man You say Nintendo sucks and does nothing for the industry. Microsoft the same. So Sony's the ONLY one doing right for this industry? Remember when you recommended a book for me? I have one for you. I just finished it and it really is fantastic. By Michael Shermer.

The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies—How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths

Don't mind the long title. It may make it seem goofy, but it really is informative.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I share Highlander's pain, I spent two years at GE as a computer tech and MS gave me more than a few headaches with their crap and their crap products.

That said, I'm typing this using Windows 7 so I guess we are all victims of that which we despise.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

For better or worse, I think highlander's belief concerning MS's jRPG motives is a plausible one. That is, their efforts ended up segmenting the core jPRG offerings into two smaller cultures. Where considering the current westernization of consumer trends is concerned, two smaller sized bases on two separate platforms weakens the genre collectively. I suspect ultimately the consumer trend to migrate away from conventional jRPG design was already on the horizon. Perhaps MS's efforts sped the decline on it's way.

Similarly to you Porks, I don't make it a practice to form ideological constructs of "console'ism" to infringe on prospective platform offerings. Because really, I just don't want to limit the scope of quality games which do invariably appear on more than one platform.
I do, however, measure up the content offering before imparting of my resources. Nintendo, for example, just hasn't been able to produce enough compelling software to warrant my time or interests. I have tons of respect for the core Mario, Zelda and Metroid offerings, but between the dated tech, and the aversion to control interface, Nintendo just isn't doing it for me these days and that doesn't look to change anytime soon.
The same holds true for Xbox LIVE. I no longer get enough value from online play to warrant a renewal rate.

And concerning the darker side of business practices, I'm sure if we were able to peel back the skin of many corporations we'd find truths that would infringe on several guarded values of our own in some shape or form. I've tried exhibiting such a behavior before only to soon return to my former more agnostic acceptance of hardware offerings. As I didn't like the more hardened, judgmental mindset I felt grabbing hold over me as I clung to my ideals.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

"And concerning the darker side of business practices, I'm sure if we were able to peel back the skin of many corporations we'd find truths that would infringe on several guarded values of our own in some shape or form."

Incredibly truthful statement Temjin001!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"


Last edited by Qubex on 6/20/2011 8:30:30 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Pork chop, you haven't a single clue what the heck your talking about. MS at a board level doesn't care two figs about video games, they simply care about the revenue stream from their entertainments division. The fact that you want to wave the fanboy card in my face is more than amusing. If you want to show faith and belief in how wonderful Microsoft is – go for it, don't expect me to comply, and don't expect me to sit on my hands and not tell it like it is.

Regarding the games that you accuse Sony of 'buying.

Heavy Rain was not bought by Sony, it was never going to any other platform in any case. Heavenly Sword was commissioned for the PS3 as a launch title, it was not a multi-platform project that was made exclusive, nor was it an exclusive for another platform that switched after a pay off. Little Big Planet was made exclusively for The PS3, it was never going to appear on another console, I believe it was also commissioned specifically by Sony for the PS3, not bought. Ghostbusters in Europe didn't have a publishing deal for the PS3 at all, so Sony paid for the publishing rights. The game wasn't going to be on any console in Europe, Sony at least saw fit to publish it on their hardware – it was not a paid exclusive.

So much for the whole Sony buys games too. Porkchop, frankly, you're being a bit of a jerk. You make accusations that you have no way at all to backup to counter my opinion of Microsoft, an opinion gained with over 20 years of business experience working with Microsoft products and with Microsoft at a corporate level. Microsoft is widely known and acknowledged to use suspect business practices. People int eh industry well know their M.O. The way they do business in the games industry is no less wrong and destructive of the industry.

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your post, there's simply no point.

Temjin/Qubex, If you peel back the onion skin layers of any corporate you'll find stuff they don't want you to see. The big difference with Microsoft is that they have over at least 2 decades conducted business in a very consistent manner that leaves no doubt about them. You don't have to peel away any layers to see their dark heart. That said, if you *do* peel away some layers, you'll find even more to dislike. I'm not excusing any corporation for their conduct when they are in the wrong.

This comment thread was initiated by a post about MS *paying* for exclusivity of yet another JRPG in the West. Namco would rather take the guaranteed money from Micorosft and disappoint legions of fans, than sell their game to the whole market. That distorts the market place. MS knows they are not attracting PlayStation gamers to their product with this tactic. So the thin justification of attracting new users no longer masks the primary purpose of the paid exclusivity – spoiling the market for PlayStation users in the West. Microsoft are not doing anything to help anyone with this buying exclusives, they are spoiling the market, hurting gamers and ultimately hurting a genre of game that I love.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 6/20/2011 9:17:23 PM

PorkChopGamer
PorkChopGamer
9 years ago

I didn't defend MS. I was defending the hard work of 'great devs' being overlooked by people being loyal to non-entities such as companies. The board room scenario was of publishers who thought gamers would buy their good games because they released them, but forgot about fanboyism.

So I guess that was another Heavenly Sword I saw on an Xbox site back when Ninja Theory used to be Just Add Monsters. You're wrong. And Sony negotiated with Atari, who was already set to publish it later in the year. Wrong again. Conveniently left GTA out of your rebuttal, as well. Interesting. You can make your post as verbose as the day is long but if you are going to debate, for the love of Pete, get your facts straight.

As far as your opinion of Microsoft, I don't care if your history with Microsoft goes back to playing Duck, Duck, Goose with Bill Gates in Pre-K, a lot of big companies do underhanded things. I don't need to be 'in the business' to know that. Even Sony. You love painting them as a victim a lot, though.

As for the fanboy card, I don't need to wave it. Every time you say thing like, 'Insomniac lost something when they went multiplat' You show it proudly.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Highlander, you've got the years of business experience with them to know. I don't, interesting insight, though, nonetheless.
The only real MS tie I know of is from a bud who seems to really like their working climate there as an employee. Maybe they take care of their own well.

I'm cool with them just as long they haven't been killing babies and hacking PSN. If that's ever the case, lemme know and I'll stomp on my 360, give my Windows a virus, and swear them off for good cause that's where my line is drawn =)

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

PorkChop, I'm not wrong, but then I don't take every piece of fictitious box art posted on an Xbox site as the gospel. Thanks for play, I will no longer, a troll you are and I'm gonna stop feeding you.

VampDeLeon
VampDeLeon
9 years ago

So Microsoft bought their way to being a leading platform. At least no one on the Sony side had to buy their way in.


Last edited by VampDeLeon on 6/21/2011 1:13:36 AM

PorkChopGamer
PorkChopGamer
9 years ago

Hmm, it was early test footage and facial animatics, but it's cool. I know that you know that you are wrong, and that's enough. Like I said, try to make sure you get the facts straight next time. Thanks.

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
9 years ago

Pork, stop it. Really, the history of Microsoft can become common knowledge for anyone who cares to do the research. They are a conglomerate that likes to play dirty. Sony knows it as well as Apple.

Highlander is right to call you a fanboy for the simple fact that you can't be objective towards his view and at least say that some of what he is saying has merit. Those of us that despise MS probably use their product but that is because they are seriously on a mission to be the monopoly.

It's quite hard to get away from MS. Windows is the dominant computer applications program, already pre-installed in most computers. Even , third party devs could not ignore MS's temptations. Believe it. MS has not been a possitive aspect to the gaming industry. Sony, Nintendo, Sega and I'm even compelled to believe Apple would have a more possitive effect on the industry than Microsoft has.

Sorry to go on a rant but for Chrissake, this is not the only industry that MS has implemented cancerous tactics in.

So please Pork, cease this.