I wish I could come up with a better descriptive term than "smoother," but that seems to be the most accurate.

Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception looks incredible from a visual standpoint, as one might expect. But as many have noticed, there has been a technical alteration to the character design and presentation. For example, here's a picture courtesy of GamingBolt .

It's Chloe as she looked in Uncharted 2: Among Thieves and as she appeared in the E3 trailer for Uncharted 3 . There's also a comparison shot of Elena and we've already seen plenty of Drake in past months. In our eyes, it seems plain: they've been "smoothed" over. The thing that's bugging me is this- I really can't decide if it's "better."

I mean, strictly from a technical standpoint, I think it's plain. They've taken another step by cutting back on that glossy, almost plastic-y sheen we've seen in the past. At the same time, it almost seems as if a touch of the rich color and definition from Uncharted 2 went away with that glossiness. It's certainly more realistic and more accomplished ; I'm just not sure I like it more. Sorta torn right now.

You also get slightly different facial animations with this sleeker style, and in this respect, I haven't seen enough to make any decisions one way or the other. I'm just wondering what the fans have to say about this.

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jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I noticed this too, and I think I'm a fan. Its very apparent in the E3 trailer that they do look "smoother" and more "natural". I think that picture really showcases that, but the UC2 Chole looks like its taken from gameply while the top pic of her is from a cutscene.

Cavan1
Cavan1
9 years ago

There arent really any cut-scenes in uncharterd, when they do go to cutscenes, their all in engine cutscenes, no cgi or anything is used, so whatever they do in a cutscene is the engine graphics

karneli lll
karneli lll
9 years ago

I personally like the new look, though the cutscenes with the 'bad lady' look like a massive step back

manofchao5
manofchao5
9 years ago

looks great, the new one looks like they got rid of scratchiness on the corners like say her eyes
i think thats called anti aliasing but who cares they smoothed it nice 😀

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Not sure if it's just the pics themselves, but I'm liking the top pic(U3) of Chloe 100% better than the bottom one(U2), where she actually looks a bit zombified.

And the same goes for Elena's pics too.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 6/15/2011 10:51:13 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Me too, and I do not know what is U2 and what is U3 of those two. The upper image is definitely the best in my eyes.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Yeah, I'm liking the U3 images better as well. I had to look twice though, because the article title and the way the images are stacked was confusing me. the characters don't look smoothed over to me, they look crisper. Chloe has more facial definition for instance.

gangan19
gangan19
9 years ago

no, that's how she looks without make up, it's very realistic, the new engine.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i'm not sure if i like it more, either. i'm mainly going to play uc3 for it's awesome set peices and action. i'm also very interested in the mp, too.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Make sure to look at some comparisons of Elena and Drake, too.

…I mean, Chloe ALWAYS looks good. 😉

But one question…is that picture-perfect rear of hers "smoother," too, or is this only about faces?


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/15/2011 10:52:27 AM

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Brunettes ftw! <3 Chloe

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Elena looks *much* better on the lower (U2) picture.

I am starting to believe this has more to do with the actual scene, lighting etc than anything else.

… But I never saw Drake anywhere?


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/15/2011 11:03:10 AM

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Beamboom
I agree. That scene with the snow in the backgroun of Elena really shows off her face and the modeling. While te other pic is in a room with more lighting, and shadows. It really does make a difference. Which is pretty amazing.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

This site has used terrible reference photos for comparison. The U3 Chloe is clearly a cutscene model where the the U2 Chloe is a game play model…. Hence the lower poly count and lesser detail.

The Elena one makes for a better comparison but the lighting is entirely off.

I'm not seeing anything I don't like, though. U2 looks to be shaping up to be another real stunner.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

I know that Temjin but remember that cut-scenes and gameplay in these titles are almost identical. It's very difficult to tell the difference; we're not talking about NORMAL games, here.

There are some minor differences but the characters in Uncharted 2 pretty much looked the same all the time.

You can find other shots of Chloe in U2, for instance, but they're not going to look drastically different.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/15/2011 11:04:50 AM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

All soft self shadowing has been turned off in the U2 game play model. It's really stands out to me.
Look at how U3 Chloe's own hair and features are generating a "soft" self shadow on herself.
Plus her hair appears to have greater volumetric density in U3.
In terms of tech prowess, there's no doubt, the U3 model is doing more visuaully.

Stylistically, between the two, that's different. There does appear to be a different smoohing process used for flesh tones. Chloe has also lost her thick dark eye shadow. Which I like, less of a zombie vibe going on for her in U3.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Noooo, world loves raccoon eyes!

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Yea I'm really digging the new Chloe for sure. Although we may see a big difference from gameplay to cutscene, which looks to be the case between the two pictures of her. It's very apparent the look is different but lighting and given the facial expression can change a lot also. Chloe always looked to – I don't know – dark around the eyes for me, it fit her personality but maybe now is the time to refine her! I'm a fan!

Same goes for the Elena pic. Maybe ND is progressing the characters with time also? It just seems both Elena and Chloe seem more matured. Either way it may not necessarilly be better, as both Elena and Chloe were always modeled very well, hell that goes for all the characters. But it's definitely a step forward and I think we've learned even with the whole Cole, inFAMOUS 2 ordeal that it will work out in the end! They didn't go too far as to completely re-model the characters so I won't complain regardless.

Can't wait for this one!

EDIT: I just want to point out I have no problems with Chloe in UC2. I know I said she was dark around the eyes, but that wasn't a knock. I love Chloe and I loved her character, she was modeled perfectly for her personality especially! But it seems now she's going lighter on the eye shadow for UC3! 😉


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/15/2011 11:17:37 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Cole in inFamous2 worked out really well, I was impressed with the characters in inFamous2. they did a tremendous job on the eyes in particular. Eyes seem always to be a bit of a bear for developers, but Sucker Punch did awesomely well in that regard.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Indeed. I even like Cole's new voice and personality. I playing 1 and 2 back and forth(1 as evil Cole and 2 as good)making comparisons. While I like old Cole's voice and costume, the new voice and look is just as good in my opinion. Sucker Punch really set the bar high for visuals and performance in a sandbox game. Puts games like Red Dead and Assassin's Creed to shame.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Yea I really like the new Cole. So much so that I've forgotten at times that he did get a new voice. I really enjoy the character and the growth sucker punch made, with regards to him. They did a great job with the characters Kuo is another good example, and while I'm at it Nix! Great job for sure, and your are right about the eyes Highlander!

RadioHeader
RadioHeader
9 years ago

So you're all enjoying i2? I haven't been able to get it yet. My car's having an expensive month.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Yeah, i2 is a blast. I dodged the bullet on my car last month, so this month is coolness…apart from the blistering "too early for summer" heat we are having.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

I2 is just amazing… Such a fun game! But priorities first man, It'll be around forever.

Highlander We went straight from winter to summer. We didn't have a spring at all and up until literally a couple weeks ago the weather was just rain all day… Now all of a sudden 80 degrees it's like there was no comfort of spring at all. Terrible!

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I like the design, I didn't like the new voice actor but he's growing on me quick from when I seen people play it, it's not that bad actually.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

We went from winter into the spring tornado season (nasty storm season this year) and then in the last week of May we hit 95F and have stayed there since with no end in sight.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

I like Coles new voice a lot actually. Like I said from the moment I put it in, I kind of forgot all about the whole ordeal of changing voice actors. But it's preference really, and it does suck that they got a new voice, but at least it works, and works well.

Highlander

Well I have no room to complain then… Hopefully no tornados real close to you, like those affected so far, it is a terrible ordeal. I just love spring weather, more so the temperatures than anything and, southern Oregon just skipped that part of the year!


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/15/2011 2:50:10 PM

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

@bigrailer

Indeed, I didn't like it at first but it grew on me. I want the game badly, I see everyone playing it. >.<

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Yea you gotta get it, when possible. I would lend you my copy but I'm still playing it! 😉 no seriously though it's a must own game!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

We've had some nasty storms this year, but the twisting winds have stayed away from us so far. Fortunately the odds of any one person being affected by a tornado are very small, but they can be such severe events that you always have to be careful.

The mid-south is an odd place because we can get severe winter cold, we can get roasting summer heat combined with humidity levels you'd think were more at home on the coast, and of course the spring and autumn storm seasons. You'd think that as far south as we are, winters would be mild, and as far inland as we are, humidity wouldn't be an issue. Sadly, the weather likes to prove expectations like that to be unfounded.

kylemac6
kylemac6
9 years ago

so, everybody really likes inFamous2? i thought about it but the reviews didn't seem as good as the first one. is it?

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Kylemac6-

My best advice is, if your are any sorts of fan of the first, you'll absolutely love inFAMOUS 2. So go get it. To me it is absolutely just as fun, if not more because of the new abilities and powers, plus a few new things making traversing buildings, and travel faster and easier. To me the story picked up great where the first left off and is growing more and more compelling. So go get it! 😉

Highlander-

I don't think I could live in those conditions, so I commend you. I'm picky with my weather and bad weather when prolonged really puts me in a bad mood, likewise so does not being comfortable when it's 80+ outside, haha. Even where I live I hate the weather because it can be 80 with no clouds one minute then the next be 60 and thunderstorms. But those conditions you described make me cringe! 😉
I've been to Florida and hated the humidity. An I've been all over the west coast including Montana, but never anywhere near where you are. But it does seem the weather you get, from the news as the source, is very, well how you said "odd".


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/15/2011 5:20:21 PM

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

@Kylemac6

You need to get Infamous 2, it's a lot better. I can't wait till I can get it though it's going to be awesome. 😀

Riku994
Riku994
9 years ago

I think the U3 pictures almost look like they're a painted portrait, whereas in U2 you can tell it's a model in a rendered area. The eyes have also lost their watery look, making them seem a bit more realistic. I guess we'll have to wait until we play the game for real.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

To me, it looks better in U3. I don't know about smoothing, the U2 models look smoother to me, although some of the videos I've seen drake looks a little less craggy in some than others. So I'm not entirely sure.

I suspect it's a storm in a tea-cup though, and the game will look ridiculously good.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

Most optimisations like polishing up models are done late in development, are they not? So I imagine the models will be perfect come release day. No doubt they already are; we'll see in the beta I guess. But perhaps the implementation of MLAA has something to do with it? When the beta comes I'm gunna be taking an extensive look at it and using my incredible skills of detection to compile all of the technical features of the game (*Cough* Read DF's Tech analysis *Cough*). 😀

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

As ND employee's have said in their own forumns, this is how they wanted their characters in the begginning, only tech didn't allow them. While I like the almost 'cartoonish' style of the past games, uncharted 3 is un-doubtably better. When you have such a beloved series such as Uncharted, your gunna be skeptical when even the most minsicule thing such as pour detail on a character is different. But really, and I say this as ND's #1 fan, ND know what they're doing. If somethings wrong, as said in multiple interview's, they will 'iterate it, change it around until its perfect'. I have faith that they will do that, and any qualms I DO have, such as drakes frankly silly jog (I don't CARE if he's on a ship, he looks like a friggen drunken idiot!), should be sorted come release day.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

They look A LOT better in U3. Especially Chloe's eyes. Her glassy eyes in 2 made her look like a soulless robot. I'm not sure what's not to like. The game is shaping up to be yet another bar setter when it comes to console graphics.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

Lol Chloe always looked asif she has just been crying, & had just took a swim in a barrel of oil xD

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Eyes are difficult, because sometimes it seems like devs add too much internal reflection to the eye, which essentially blots out the detail in the eye. I mean, an eye is glossy, yes, but it's not that reflective, if it was, we wouldn't be able to see. Cloe's eyes always seemed to be too glassy and reflective. but things improve in steps, and no doubt in U3 they will be deep and soulful instead.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I didn't think they looked oily or plasticy. They looked pretty soft and smooth in U2 and they only made that look better in 3. When I think oily looking graphics I think anything made with Unreal.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

But now her eyes have no glitter, they are plain and colorless.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

@Jawknee

You mean the "shiny space marine armor effect" (c)?

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

@Highlander, Exactly. ha

@World, her eyes looked too synthetic before. Like she had two glass eyes. They look more natural now in my opinion.


Last edited by Jawknee on 6/15/2011 1:07:26 PM

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

By the way, in regards to her swimming in oil, I was talking about her skin. If you watch the cutscene where they're at the table after chapter 2, you'll see what I mean.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

They do look more natural, but it wouldn't have killed them to have a little color in there (they are grey now) and to make them a tad brighter. I've seen plenty of people who have naturally bright eyes.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Yeah I looked at the pics before I even read the article and came to the same conclusion as Ben, I'm not sure if I like it either. But it isn't a big deal either like suddenly going cell shaded or something devastating like that. (Just for example, I know they'd never do that)

They are certainly softer, but I'm going to miss that hypnotic glow in Chloe's eyes even of some of you say it made her a zombie.

Hey was Elena's voice actor Kuo in inFamous 2? She sounded familiar.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Dunno about the voice actress, but I was definitely liking Kuo.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

It sounds like it to me World.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Emily Fisher did Elena, and she does sound like the voice actor for Kuo. But I don't see inFamous 2 on her resume. So I'm not sure but that would be interesting.