Ben-DutkaSo who would've thought Hideo Kojima would comment on the two biggest shooters of the year?
Well, his statements are bound to spark some definite discussion. Kojima posted on his Twitter page a pair of comments that address Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3 , and he believes the two titles are significantly different:
"If 'COD MW3' is a Hollywood-ish action play, 'BF3' is more like documentary. While play-related rail games are the mainstream after the success of 'COD' and 'Uncharted,' this stoic attitude is fresh."
While it's true that recent CoD entries feel very much like big-budget Hollywood movies, we're not entirely sure of what to expect from Battlefield 3 . Kojima's words imply a definite difference between two games in the same genre and indeed, gamers are expecting different experiences. But how do you feel about Kojima's response to these shooters; might his description be accurate?
He's absolutely right. COD is the dumb Hollywood flashy, lazy, sprinkles on poo game, while BF3 is the realistic war game.
Dang Kojima, WE need a game from you soon bruh…
I prefer watching Hollywood movies than documentaries though.
Guess that's just me.
"COD is the dumb Hollywood flashy, lazy, sprinkles on poo game."
Well, I don't think I have ever read a criticism written so….respectfully.
Im kidding, of course, but the double standard needed to be addressed at least once. Now it's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. And who would know more about water under a bridge than the resident 'troll', aye?
Porky Porky porky. How many times must I explain this to you. COD ain't an exclusive!
😉
Last edited by Beamboom on 6/10/2011 9:42:42 AM
I don't care for the COD franchise anymore, but I would not go as far as calling it "Dumb". Try the exact opposite. They raised the bar which has pushed other developers to give us better games. Now BF3 looks to raise that bar again, since COD hasn't really done so since COD4.
Although the series has grown stale with me, it is still the highest selling/grossing single entertainment piece. Saturating the market with COD every year may have bored some gamers, but not all of them.
Myself, I prefer the more realistic approach that BF3 is striving for. I will probably pick up MW3 for the single player only, but will absolutely pick up BF3 for everything it has to offer.
Last edited by Nynja on 6/10/2011 11:11:32 AM
Porkchop: Look at posts like Ophidian and Nynja's replies. They both found a way to disagree with his post without flaming or trolling. As a result… no one is retaliating at them.
THAT'S the way a normally functioning social being would communicate their disagreement, and it is your inability to express your opinion so tactfully as they have that has given you the label you have. Opinion is often respected. One such as yours will surly be challenged on a site like this where there is a gathering of people who come here specifically because they support Sony gaming. And that's fine. But your -presentation- of your opinion is what people take exception to.
And that is the point Ben has been so frustrated about not being able to get across to you.
The "double standard" was addressed by Ophidian before your post. Which means, of course, there is no double standard as socially apt members are more than capable of properly addressing their concerns.
I mean… look at your post. It's sarcastic and calls out a group of anonymous people. You could be referring to anyone. It is BOUND to ruffle feathers needlessly. Your lack of tact is ever apparent.
Trolling is making posts specifically to upset a group of people. Sometimes that's called flaming. It's what you do! As a result, your precious "opinion" is not heard because you consistently fail to present it in a way that is respectful and allows people to acknowledge it as acceptable behavior.
I truly don't get why that's so hard to comprehend.
Last edited by Underdog15 on 6/10/2011 3:44:42 PM
Flaming = trying to start a fight, usually via personal insults
Trolling = coming to a site in order to start fights, usually by professing contrary opinions
At least, that's how I understand the terms.
I went back to the other posts from a few days to see why I hadn't explained myself clearly enough and I see you having a conversation with yourself about hypocrisy over a three day period. You're itching for a fight, sir. Why? Games are supposed to be fun and make us smile. And even if you 'win', it has zero bearing on the real world.
I am only going to do this one more time. When I said 'water under the bridge', I truly meant it. Not sure why you think this needs to continue, but I'll indulge this one last time.
I completely understand what you and Ben are saying, I just don't agree with it. Bear with me here:
"COD is the dumb Hollywood flashy, lazy, sprinkles on poo game."- is NOT a tactful statement but is acceptable because the majority of gamers here do not like CoD.
"Uncharted is the dumb Hollywood flashy, lazy, sprinkles on poo game.";- is NOT a tactful statement and is unacceptable because the majority of gamers here love Uncharted.
That is what I meant by 'double standard'. I get it, though. If it's going to cause trouble, don't use extreme dialogue. But if I want to rant a bit, I kinda feel that I'm entitled to it as long as I don't go to extremes like calling people sheep or just harassing other posters' comments with my opinion. I guess that's what I was trying to say. But I've gotten my Uncharted 3 stuff out. So I won't repeat it.
As far as this post I have NO problem with Soul Controller saying what he said. I realized around the third 'Xbox ain't all that bad' debate that I can't change anyone's opnion. So I wasn't attacking him. Yes, I was being a smart ass about the whole 'tact' situation, but I've got a successful marriage and business and a family that loves me, all while being one. It's just how I am. I gotta rib someone. Don't take it to heart. There is absolutely no malice intended.
So that's my story.
If Kojima said it, then it must be true Ben!
Don't care about either game. So kojima didn't show anything at E3?
Guess Konami forced him to work on MGS Rising, like he didn't want to.
Ah, great leadership at Konami.
Last edited by Scarecrow on 6/9/2011 10:14:09 PM
he didn't even show up
I hope he announces something in the near future that he once again has direct impact on.
I'm not interested in those games at all. I only read the article because of Kojima-San.
I know right, he's so sexy. I mean smart.
Sexy would be: his mind to the PS3 😉
Seems apt. Although I know nothing about BF3, his cod comments are dead on.
Uncharted is linear, but not in a bad way like FFXIII
amen to that at least uncharted is more than pressing X
Well he's right but that's not going to stop me from enjoying COD, or start me enjoying Uncharted either for that matter. I just hope Battlefield is as impressive as it's hyped up to be.
people on this site have hyped up b3 so much
Do you know why that is Godslim? Seriously man, MW3 looks IDENTICAL to MW2, completely recycled for the new game with the exact same character models, weapons, and animations. I would enjoy playing as the SAS more than anyone else but what makes you enjoy the same thing every year?
BF3's progress from Bad Co. 2 is incredible, and you and every other CoD Fanboy on this site knows it. The footage from E3 is simply amazing.
No, it's definitely improved over MW2. I wouldn't get too carried away here because the PC footage for BF3 we've seen was probably running on max settings, and was still no more impressive than Crysis 2 (on PC).
Last edited by somethingrandom on 6/10/2011 12:41:16 PM
Have to admit that I didn’t even get as far as “Intriguing Comments On MW3 And Battlefield 3†… saw Kojima’s name and just ‘clicked’ read.
Whilst I prefer Battelfield over COD, both have appeal to lots of people … but neither (for me at least) would scratch the right royal a$$ that is Solid Snake!
Agree with everyone that anticipation for another Kojima (not Konami) title is very high on the list of “I hope that’s coming soon†… “Snake … Snake … Snaaaaaaaaake!†…
I don't see this to be a compliment either way – it's all a question of preferences.
If I had to choose between a war documentary and a Hollywood action, I actually think I'd prefer the action movie rather than another sad, depressive documentary.
Neither of those movie genres interests me the slightest though, but if I *had* to, I'd choose the action one.
However I'm still most interested in BF3…
Infamous 2 has merged Cinematics and Awesome Gameplay in a fantastic way.
It is a Epic Story with great characters and also it's non-linear and with infinite playtime.
What do u say about infamous series kojima?
Last edited by Kiryu on 6/10/2011 2:58:48 AM
dunno what hes been smoking lately, but BF3 looks NOTHING like a documentary!
somethings snapped ever since that project he was working on for years is now useless.
maybe the stress is getting to him?
What on earth are you talking about?
Last edited by OPHIDIAN on 6/10/2011 4:04:18 AM
he was meaning COD is a bunch of glitz/glamor/fakeness(hollywood) as BF3 is going to be more TRUE TO LIFE(documentary)..and what project do you speak of?????
You know what?
I don't give a shit….because i've got BALLS OF STEEL, baby!!
That's right, those limited addition balls, right in my hands!
I should be a new man "when it's done". See you on the other side.
*whistles grabbag*
I'm glad your enjoying it man haha. It DNF pretty fun?
Kojima nailed it. Totally nailed it!!
I've been trying to find the perfect way to describe the difference between CoD and battlefield without going into all the details everytime.
Kojima's statement has given me a new way of describing it very quickly to people deciding between one or the other.
I love documentaries, a far more enriching and fulfilling experience than a blockbuster action movie.
Any good action movie stays with you for a few days. A good documentary stays with you for a few years. Just look at Planet Earth with David Attenborough and compare it to the Transformers movies. As a 24 year old, I like quality experiences, and Planet Earth was an experience.
Like CoD, Transformers only managed to entertain me for a few hours.
Last edited by Dancemachine55 on 6/10/2011 8:03:29 AM
Hehe – dude, you can't in any way compare Planet Earth and *Transformers*!
Planet Earth is like *the* documentary of the millennium. At least compare it with Lord Of The Rings or even Harry Potter for that matter. Or the entire James Bond movie collection. Or all of the above. just not.. Transformers (the game aint half bad though).
Planet Earth is *fantastic*. It's way above just being a documentary, it's art, history, it's… Magic!
Last edited by Beamboom on 6/10/2011 9:23:29 AM
Oh and by the way! Planet Earth in HD is *faaantastic*! Completely mindnumblingly good pictures.
If any of you guys are looking for one Blu-rai to really show off what HD can look like, get Planet Earth.
BBC used Hollywood quality cameras during the recording of this wildlife documentary, and the result is, well, out of this world.
Indeed. This is why many people still prefer CoD4 over the latest CoDs; CoD4 had that more a supposed documentary feel compared to MW2's cheese. Looking forward to playing Battlefield 3 maxed out.
Did anyone see the MW3 footage from the M$ conference(Which was weak btw)? It seriously looks exactly like MW2. The same graphics, even some weapons from MW1. I find this sad actually, BF3's progress is leaps ahead of MW3, and I am not just saying that. The proof is in the footage.
But didn't you see that nifty new gun site…you can flip between red dot and acog?! I'm being snide…because I was hoping to see some advancement in the next installment, but I guess this is what you get when you're company is on a one game a year streak.
I'd say that CoD is like a michael bay film and Battlfield is more like a Hurt Locker film.
The sad thing is that originally COD (and before it MOH, which many of the IW people developed) was trying to be Saving Private Ryan, not some Bay POS.
And MGS4 own both of these games 😉
Holy crap! I said the very same thing. Right here on this site.
CoD is more what Hollywood wants a combat zone to look like, and Battlefield is more like what an actual battlefield looks like.
I'm paraphrasing myself but you get the idea. Cool to know that one of the biggest names in gaming shares my sentiment on the issue.