This week, it was revealed that CCP's DUST 514 wouldn't come to Xbox Live; it would only be available on the PlayStation Network.

And why? Well, in speaking to Rock, Paper, Shotgun , producer Thomas Farrer said Sony is "a lot more open" when allowing you to do certain things and in truth, the team just didn't think a Live version would be possible. "I think some of the challenges we'd meet would be tricky," Farrer said, adding later that it's nice to work on only one platform because "you don't have to make any awkward compromises, technically."

For further explanation, ICO Partners CEO Thomas Bidaux told GamesIndustry.biz that Microsoft doesn't allow a lot of room for negotiation:

"My experience is that Microsoft doesn't allow itself a lot of margin for negotiation and that's usually fine for offline games. But when you start to consider things like servers, billing, patching or even customer supports, it becomes a lot more complicated. It is my experience that Sony will be a lot more open for a publishers to manage all those aspects.

It can also as simple as the fact that Microsoft isn't ready for free to play as a business model – and they would want to control the item shops which any existing online publisher would refuse."

We've heard similar comments from other designers as well; this isn't the first time the Network has been called "more open" in comparison to Live. We've also heard that Sony is – online and offline – much more willing to take risks…but we don't need developers to tell us that. It's quite plain, and gamers appreciate it.

Related Game(s): DUST 514

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SolidFantasy
SolidFantasy
9 years ago

Nice to hear developers praising the PS3 as an easier option rather than whining about how difficult the Cell is to work with.

The concept behind DUST 514 sounds like an awesome squeal to MAG. Also extremely addicting and time consuming. I should be cautious of this one.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

I honestly believe the days of complaining about the complexity of Cell are behind Sony.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

And it should be Max. 😀

___________
___________
9 years ago

what does PSN have to do with the cell?
only reason why allot more MMOs are showing up only on the ps3 is because M$ requires servers to be run by them, not by the developers which is why FFXIV is not showing up on the 360.
both a good and a bad idea.
good idea because it takes the weight off you, and lets more creativity and people in.
bad idea because if something goes wrong the sh*ts going to fall on you because its your platform even though you had nothing to do with it!

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Yep their sentiments echo Gabe Newells as they faced considerable hurdles with The Orange Box and updates. Also, UT3 fans were locked out of the Titan Pack upgrade. Similarly, MMORPG games like FF14(hey, it could've been good) never saw the light of day for said reasons.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Oh and bargain FYI. AC and AC2 could be had for $10 a pop on PSN now. GOOD DEAL

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

There's been about 3-4 indie games developer's that I've read that say just about the same thing, and in other words that M$ has to have heir mitts on everything, & controlling it all.

Ishkur
Ishkur
9 years ago

Super Meat Boy devs had some problems with sony though.. :/

chedison
chedison
9 years ago

Ishkur I remember that story being about XBL, not Sony.

___________
___________
9 years ago

thats why M$ have a dedicated indie channel, and sony dont………

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

and Sony don't…need to…

___________
___________
9 years ago

so you dont want games like super meat boy and limbo?
fine by me, but your missing out on some seriously kick a$$ games!
especially super meat boy, i mean its so wonderfully old school!

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

M$ deserve kudos for their indie initiative, but it is highly UNcharacteristic for them. They are very much about control and domination.

Why else do you think EA refused to put their sports titles on Xbox for all those years?

I can only guess the indie initiative is a way for M$ to have SOME games that they can publish under the Microsoft Games Studios banner.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

This is exactly what Highlander mentioned and I suspected was the reason why it was a ps3 console exclusive in the first place.

It's stories like these that makes me real proud of Sony, and a happy ps3 owner. It's always good to see openness win! 🙂


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 11:00:51 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

It'll be on Vita too won't it?

JMO_INDY
JMO_INDY
9 years ago

Openness ALWAYS wins 😉

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

@High: What if the Vita game were a third overlapping game? The PC gamers are the “fleet” and the ps3 gamers is the “infantry”, the Vita gamers could be… Uhm… Something else, still within the same universe? Now how cool would *that* be!

@Indy: Cheers to that!


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 1:44:03 PM

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

@TheHighlander

I believe that there are plans to that effect. Yes.

JMO_INDY
JMO_INDY
9 years ago

"You don't have to make any awkward compromises, technically" Code for "We didn't want to dumb down our game, so we went with SONY"

markishome359
markishome359
9 years ago

It's fully PS3 exclusive; it IS NOT coming to the PC, as stated in the first question in the first page Ben links to. Which is a terrible shame, because I would LOVE to play it on my computer, and I have no interest in trying to break into EVE proper. I don't think fanbase overlap is really a concern for them…

More insightful nerdrage can be found here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/08/ccp-sony-more-open-to-dust-experiment/

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

I know. Mistake fixed.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

It's PS3 exclusive for the time being. The developers have not ruled out the fact recently that the PC may get it after a year or so. Which would make sense since this game affects the PC MMO universe, and the console crowd can really screw the balance of the universe up between corporations in this game, which is good or bad depending if you are in a corporation or not 🙂 I highly doubt console gamers know just how much this game will alter the power scheme of the MMO if it's implemented the way it's been talked about throughout development. It would make sense that PC gamers will eventually be able to play this so they can help protect their investments instead of relying on other people they've hired to do it. But then again, that would also take away from the unpredictable nature that is EVE Online. It'll be interesting to see just how all the chips will fall once this game releases. My most anticipated for next year.

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

Will be keeping an eye on this one. Let's see how it turns out.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

FFXIV, Unreal Tournament 3, Portal 2, Steam, Dust, …

Interesting how XBL is not acting to restrict choice for those consumers.

"you don't have to make any awkward compromises, technically."

Indeed. It all comes back to the fact that Sony allows online game services to bill and patch separately without being railed into PSN. they allow developers/publishers to manage their own servers instead of forcing everything onto PSN servers – which leaves a lot of freedom for developers. As much as Microsoft likes to claim the mantle of online gaming, their XBL practices are holding them back and Sony is actually truly the leader with free online play and an open service model.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

But ecksbawks is better. You get what you pay 4. Ecksbawks never gets haxxored. Have phun playing offline only whilst I poon nubs on cod fish.

Okay, I can't do it any more. I feel kind of dirty now.

But in all honesty, that's pretty much the rebuttal from the opposing fanboy camp which is kind of sad to think about really. On a clinical level.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

sorry, there's a typing error in my post (well there's probably several, but I caught this one…

Interesting how XBL is not acting to restrict choice for those consumers.

should read

Interesting how XBL is NOW acting to restrict choice for those consumers.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

High, ref our earlier discussion, check this quote from the interview: "You can be a DUST or EVE player and be in the same corporation, and the same alliance." -> That confirms that there indeed *will* be persistent player orgs, and that these two games are very much overlapping eachother.
Ingame economy, microtransactions, player orgs… This is more than "just" a shooter, people must understand that!


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 12:56:09 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

It almost brings RPG-like elements because of the persistence and I'm certain that there is an element of building your character/alliance over time. I have a bad feeling this may be a bit on the addictive side.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Oh man: This will not only be pvp, there *will* indeed be pvn too! Quoting, "we have NPC generated battles, so you’ll always be able to find a battle, you’re able to grind and get money", and they are calling this "a thinking man’s shooter".

I have a *good* feeling this may be a bit on the addictive side!


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 1:25:39 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

NPC battles? Coolness, so I don't have to find players? Coolness.

You'll be able to grind and get money – OK, it's official, it has RPG like elements. If you're talking grinding (aka level grinding) you're talking about RPG-like elements. I may now be sold.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

I take it neither of you have played EVE online before. NPC battles and mining are pretty much the way to make isk in the beginning of the game, or at least during the 15 day trial period you play and then decide to stick with your stance on never paying a subscription fee to play a video game or utilise an online service of a certain box.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Coverton, I did try EVE many years ago, though it's so long ago that I hardly remember anything from it, other than the setting, size and complexity.
But EVE online is a very different kind of game than Dust. The way I see it they could easily have made Dust pvp only.
Also, Dust will not have a subscription fee.


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 3:04:32 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I hadn't Coverton. But all this is making me consider having a go.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Well, definitely better news all round on this point. DUST514 could sit comfortably with the PlayStation family…

We welcome you to the family 🙂

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

The more I read into Dust 514, the more I am intrigued by it. I have said this before, but this game could be my big 2012 title!

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

I'm so psyched by this title right now that I'm thinking this may be The Next Big Thing, no less.

Only thing that slightly worries me is that this is their first ps3 title as far as I understand. And this is no "newbie project", to put it that way.


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 2:13:47 PM

SvenMD
SvenMD
9 years ago

But this game is still going to have a monthly subscription like EVE does correct?

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

Monthly fee? No thank you. On second thought, I think I'll pass on this one.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

No, it's going to be financed through microtransactions, selling in-game equipment.
No monthly fee. As far as I understand from this article that's even part of the "problem" with the ms platform: "Microsoft isn't ready for free to play as a business model".


Last edited by Beamboom on 6/9/2011 12:22:31 PM

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

My kind of game model. Let me pay for what I want after I purchase the game!

Oxvial
Oxvial
9 years ago

When developers claim things like this I wonder why lulzsec and anon doesn't attack MS or Activision instead of Sony.


Last edited by Oxvial on 6/9/2011 12:22:55 PM

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Because…

It's Microsoft financing the Hackers!?

/joke

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Citibank announced *today* it was hacked in early May. It took them a month to disclose the attack. 210,000 customer records were accessed including name, address and account number. They're only now notifying customers and plan to issue new cards. I'm waiting for them to be castigated for taking so long to tell their customers and the public in general. But, I'll not hold my breath waiting.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

Because lulzsec and anon don't want to screw up their consoles ability to play online with their friends.

Poke around the tubes a little bit and you will find anons championing how great the xbox is and how the ps3 is sh– and how Sony should stop making games and there are no games on the PS3 and blah blah blah blah blah….ad nauseum.

It's clear upon further inspection that a lot of this lash at Sony is because it is so hard to hack the PS3 and when something does come along it is dealt with quickly and effectively.

You yourself can buy any model of 360, download a simple tool, plug in the disk drive to your PC, and with not much computer skill at all can be playing burnt games in less than an hour. If you take a few precautions when burning them you can be playing online as well with little to no worry because if you do get banned, you can reverse it.

You can go out and buy a Wii and with little to no knowledge can be playing backups in less than an hour and well…online I guess but come on.

Point being, it is simply easier to attack Sony and try to bring down the "big bad corporate bullies" at the end of the day.

ETA: they don't attack publishers because they still want games, they just want them for free. Easily done with an xbox, likely to get sued if you screw around with Sony.


Last edited by coverton341 on 6/9/2011 2:23:57 PM

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

@TheHighlander

Hey Highlander, I don't have a Citi bank account but I use Citi credit cards. Do you think I have any real reason to be concerned about this?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Looking glass the odds are pretty good that you're OK, the attack affected about 1% of Citi customers.

Here's a link to a story, but of course you can find numerous additional ones at Google's news page.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11148240/1/citigroup-breach-raises-disclosure-questions.html

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

@TheHighlander

Thanks for the response. But now that I think about it I actually recently cancelled my Citi card with a replacement on the way for a totally unrelated reason (it doesn't have anything to do with the PSN outage). And I did this only several days ago which would have been well after Citibank got hacked in early May. So even if a hacker did get a hold of the info for the credit card I had at the time it would be obsolete and useless now.


Last edited by Looking Glass on 6/9/2011 5:38:06 PM

Oxvial
Oxvial
9 years ago

TheHighlander, that's sick =S.

Cover, So they are MS fans… now everything makes sense their excuses about helping the consumer hacking the psn are very similar to the typical 360 fanboy trying to look unbiased and trolling on any videogame forum at the same time xD.

sirbob6
sirbob6
9 years ago

I need to include this link into all of the other forums where xbots keep on ranting about how this game should be on the 360 and how live is oh so much better than PSN.