Ben-DutkaOne might assume that with Nintendo revealing their new console at E3 this year, Microsoft and Sony would rush to introduce new hardware.
And we had heard that Sony was spending some research and development money on the next PlayStation iteration. But don't think Sony has any intention of rushing out a new system: Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida told IGN that his company "[does] not feel the need to introduce a new PlayStation console at this time." There's a good chance that the PlayStation 4 won't be around for at least a few more years, which comes as good news to a great many gamers who are quite satisfied with Sony's current machine. Plus, with the NGP (the PSP's successor) arriving soon, we'll have enough new hardware on which to spend our hard-earned money, right? Such things are expensive .
We assume most of you are fine with letting Sony take their time.
If it ain't broken, don't try to fix it. MS and Nintendo both need new consoles IMHO. ask me why if you really wanna know. to busy to explain :-p.
Because they were limited, last-gen tech the second PS3 came out?
Pretty much. But my reasoning was that Nintendo made a seemingly sub-par on purpose because they wanted to attract casual gamers where as MS did it and thought they were gonna win a race with it.
I agree. As far as I see it, the PS3 is the only console out there using the most current medium.
360 is (with one not-very-important exception) current-generation technology. That's a fact, like it or not. Launch systems were a little more outdated, but not where it really counts.
PS3 is maybe twice as powerful as the 360, but that isn't a generational difference.
You won't find anyone here who has more disdain for M$ than me, but facts are facts.
The Wii is 100% last-generation, though.
Last edited by Fane1024 on 6/7/2011 8:05:13 PM
It's good to hear that Sony isn't going to be in any kind of hurry with the PS4. I like the way they handle their business and don't seem to be intimidated by their competitors.
Nintendo's new console doesn't appear to have enough to successfully carry them into the next generation. It will help them get a share of the great games being developed here lately, but next gen they'll probably have a tough time keeping up. I have nothing against Nintendo, I just think they should beef up their new console a little more.
I suspect they are hanging their hats on just being a little more advanced than the Wii and bringing their core games and gameplay into a slightly better looking form.
Great news, as the PS3 hasn't even come close to reaching it's stride towards true greatness yet.
Last edited by BikerSaint on 6/5/2011 10:01:41 PM
PS3 has at least another year to run before reaching it's 'peak' and plateauing in terms of increasing graphical quality. I'd look to 2012 or 2013 (at the latest) for a PS3 announcement. MS will jump at the same time.
Great to hear straight from Yoshida-san. I really see no immediate need for the PS4. It's too early for that! Other than achieving true 1080p graphics and full stereoscopic 3D implementation, I see nothing else that would personally appeal to me.
It would be funny if the PS3 would hold back the new MS and Ninty consoles, but I really don't see that happening.
I'm not ready for the PS4 either I'm still enjoying all the great ps3 exclusives. Like main event said if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Future-proofing works Those other guys are already kaput and holding things back so there's absolutely no reason for PS4 to exist yet. I have a strong suspicion that the multiplat developers who are begging for a new generation are actually just tired of DVD restrictions and such.
Of course not they neeed to fix a lot of glitches with the ps3 and the graphics still haven't been pushed to its limits
Please change your picture. Not because of it's message but it's too damn big.
Ben,
Please ban this guy, he's ignored your admin direction twice, and that image is just plain annoying.
The avatar is gone. We'll see what he does now.
You're assuming he read the warnings. I haven't seen him post twice on the same article.
I'm with LV…freedom of speech and all, but it's not my site.
Fine by me, NGP can hold me over for a while.
Don't you mean Velvita?
LOL, I refuse to accept anything other than NGP or BFG.
PEPPER JACK!
Let's call it the PS Colby…much sharper than the PS Velveeta.
Or perhaps the PS Gorgonzola? That would be a 'sharp' name.
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you guys are so cheesy 😉 lol
I can wait, but not forever. Still waiting on alot of great PS3 exclusives.
The ps3 will never die, just like my ps1 and ps2. :p
I'm fine with the PS3 for a few more years. No need to rush anything out, especially since it will be dated that much sooner. Also, I thought I heard they attributed that extra R&D funding to the NGP. Of course, knowing Sony, that's probably just their excuse until they're ready to reveal the new console.
Based on the configuration announced for the WiiHD (or whatever you want to call it) the new Nintendo console will essentially catch up with Sony. Multi-core PowerPC design with fewer cores than Cell but about the same Floating point performance, and a GPU that can manage 1080p with ease. Obviously with the advantage of another 5 years of tech development they have more memory, but other than that it reads like a PS3, including BluRay, internal HDD, and a motion sensing controller. The screen in the controller is a nice gimmick, but since it contains no processor worth speaking of, the controller is only a controller with a screen, not a true hand held, so no taking the game with you….
All in all, it catches Nintendo up with Sony, plus pushing the Wii a little further. But it also goes to the point I've been making for years now. The max resolution is, and will be (for at least another decade) 1080p. That's what WiiHD will do. PS3 can manage it, and 360 can scale to it (and on a rare occasion a 360 game will attempt to render to it). But since most people either have a 720p/1080i screen, or are still in the market to upgrade to 1080p, we are still on the upward adoption slope of 1080p as the standard within the home. Heck, US TV only went fully digital in the last year, and broadcast TV doesn't manage 1080p yet. Son there's no reason at all for screens to do any better than 1080p for now, or any of the next decade.
So WiiHD will be fine at 1080p, and PS3 will not be at a great disadvantage with most games achieving 720p and some achieving 1080p (or something close to it). The big thing for the remainder of the first HD gaming generation will be game library and right now, that goes to PS3 and then 360 over the Wii.
Sony's PS3 really was built to be future proof-ish. It's lasted really well, already into it's fifth year and not yet showing signs of slowing down in terms of improving games. In 2005 when the PS3 was pre-announced at E3 (the actual launch announcement happened at E3 2006) the PS2 was showing signs of being at the end of it's upward path in terms of games. I don't honestly think we'll see that happen with PS3 until next year. So I agree with Sony and don't think we'll see the PS4 announced until 2012/2013.
Last edited by TheHighlander on 6/5/2011 11:06:40 PM
Only issue is Highlander, regarding the differences in resolution specifically; whilst the PS3 can render to 720p and 1080p; what we have seen, is that in many cases, multi-platform games seem to render their resolutions at sub 720p. We have seen this many times before. Some of the better developers like Bioware, Codemasters, Dice are able to make engines that at least give you 720p, but we have seen sub 720p on quite a few games in the past.
The PS3 exclusive developers at least know how to optimise the tech to give us higher quality visuals all around. What we want in the future is for all developers to be able to render to 1080p 60fps with ease. We both agree, that theoretically anyway, PS4 should really be able to do this. We should not see the graphical glitches we still see today, like shadow mapping distortions and the like. We also hope a better non-cpu anti-aliasing system can be employed by the GPU, being powerful enough to handle most of what we throw at it.
Generally speaking I am expecting the PS4 to be at least twice or three times more powerful than the current generation of PS3 hardware. At that level native 1080p 60fps gaming should be a reality. 1080p stereoscopic 3D films and games should also be a reality without too much compromise on the processing requirements needed to make something spectacular with the hardware.
We do need an upgrade. I hope it doesn't take too long.
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
I think you'll get an upgrade, but not for another 18-24 months.
I think that they will double (or more the available CPU, but the new generation of GPUs from both major makers are extremely powerful. I don't think we have to worry whether the next generation of PlayStation will hit 1080p – even in 3D. I think that is a foregone conclusion. The thing I was getting at is that although we are moving into the HD age, people still run games at SD resolutions. So it's still quite hard to differentiate the WiiHD vs the PS3, when in fact the PS3 can claim almost the same capabilities as the WiiHD will.
I doubt that we'll see 1080p and 60fps ever. Even if the PS3/PS4 are capable, the developers will use the extra power from the machine to add more details or polygons.
It's not until 720p and 30fps become unacceptable, will they finally make the jump to the next tier. I don't see 720p becoming obsolete.
Possibly Godsman, but the hardware will be capable of pushing games of the same quality we have today at 1080p60.
Personally, I want to see hardware capable of real-time raytracing at 720p or better. The visual quality of such games would be something special, even at the lower resolution. You might even be able to get away with 1080p30 with real time ray tracing because the quality of the visuals would be that much better.
Yes Highlander… games will probably look real then!
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
I say Sony should keep the 8-core processor of the PS3, it's still more than what MS and Nintendo have planned for their next consoles.
Beef up the GPU and CPU RAM, improve communications between RAM and Processors, stick in a fancy new Nvidia 3D graphics card thats handles 3D through hardware, not software, and finally, upgrade blu-ray to support quad-layered discs (100 GB) and move at 4x speed. The PS3's 1x blu-ray drive and low GPU RAM has kinda held it back, meaning the core processors were more relied on, making development difficult for those who didn't know how.
I know Sony can fix it though. PS4 will be a powerhouse of a machine and be easier for developers to handle than the PS3 was at first. No need to rush Sony, my PS3 still surprises me with what it can do.
Sony should take either a cut down Power7 with a SPURS co-processor or twin PowerXcell8i Cell CPUs on the same chip. That combined with a next generation nVidia GPU will be a ridiculously powerful combination.
What ever happened to the 1TB disc? I'm guessing that's not coming out anytime soon? lol
Or is that still being developed on.
Last edited by Clamedeus on 6/6/2011 4:26:09 AM
Why would you need a 1TB optical disc?
1080p requires a single layer BluRay for a movie plus a few extras. You can fit a 1080p3D movie on a dual layer Bluray with a few extras. The newer higher capacity BluRays at 33GB per layer are more than sufficient for 1080p3D. Even switching up to 2160p resolution (which is approximately 8MP resolution and isn't happening anytime soon) you'd need about the capacity offered by the new high density BluRay with 6 layers – well within the specification. 1Tb is such incredible overkill for an optical media, it's just not needed. Heck, before then we'd have to find a decently inexpensive way of jamming 60 8MP frames down an HDMI cable per second. That's a *heck of a lot of data, not including the lossless Surround sound of course…
Why would you need a 1TB optical disc?
1080p requires a single layer BluRay for a movie plus a few extras. You can fit a 1080p3D movie on a dual layer Bluray with a few extras. The newer higher capacity BluRays at 33GB per layer are more than sufficient for 1080p3D. Even switching up to 2160p resolution (which is approximately 8MP resolution and isn't happening anytime soon) you'd need about the capacity offered by the new high density BluRay with 6 layers – well within the specification. 1Tb is such incredible overkill for an optical media, it's just not needed. Heck, before then we'd have to find a decently inexpensive way of jamming 60 8MP frames down an HDMI cable per second. That's a *heck of a lot of data, not including the lossless Surround sound of course…
I'm not saying we need it, but I heard that Sony was working on a 1TB disc awhile back and was wondering if anyone heard any news on it.
A real GPU.
And it shall be called the Mario Synthesizer.
I agree completely with the masses. I'm not ready for the ps4 yet. Although I'm certain it will be a briliant machine. The ps3 still has a decent length life imo.
Sony, just keep churning out amazing games until nintendo and xbox have their new consoles out, see what they got running in them, and THEN build the ps4. Take everything they got, and one-up them.
Make the ps4 completely crazy compared to them. But keep keeping up with the ps3 so it can rival their new consoles. Wouldn't that just irk them?
The ps3 rivaling the new nintendo and xbox. And then BOOM! Hit 'em with the ps4 in a couple years after their stuffs out and show them what sony is all about.
Great avatar…..Rinoa FTW!
I am very ready for a PS4, but as it is a few years a way, I will be getting a gaming PC rig to complement my gaming for multi-platform games specifically. My PS3 will be primarily for Sony exclusives or non-pc games I may be interested in.
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
Thanks much highlander. But I can't take credit for it.
A person called sleep on one of my many game news apps called gameon made it for me.
They were just making sig's for anyone that wanted one.
And actually, your avi is what inspired me to get a cool one. I've always like your avatar since I first joined the psxe community. I'm sure you've had more, but I remember your avi when it didn't have aerith in it.
Indeed, it started out with only KOS-MOS. When I can spare the time I will probably re-do the whole thing and change up the Shion and Aerith images plus add someone else…not sure, perhaps Rinoa?
Thank god. Because of finances, I wasn't able to get a ps3 until last year and have since made only a little headway into the giant backlog of games I need to play. I doubt I'll be ready to upgrade my system for at least another 5 years.
What Sony should do is wait and deliver a more powerful but equal or similarly equal in price to Microsoft's console.
2013-2014 is a good time, no need to unveil anything this year.
Playstation should not even think of another console until MS catches up with the power of their console. if anything take it slow and do another excellent job, but until then they should focus on getting the a-holes that f'ed up my poor psn. nintendo on the other hand should focus more on handhelds and go the way of sega and develop move games with their experience of motion gaming…but seriously they should just think about becoming a multi plat dev.
Scarecrow I would argue that PC gaming is vastly superior to all other forms, when done properly. Ive always had a console but PC was my primary form of gaming. I moved to my 360 and then my ps3(still own and play both) because of how badly the PC MW2 version was screwed up. The PC is able to offer depth in terms of graphic and gameplay that consoles are not able to provide. Not to mention the community support games can get in terms of mods. Also the PC is really the only place to play flight and other sims such as IL2, KA50 Blackshark, and the Silent Hunter series. I am thinking now though that I might just refresh my PC and make it ready for BF3
"If it ain't broken, don't try to fix it. MS and Nintendo both need new consoles IMHO. ask me why if you really wanna know. to busy to explain"
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all need new consoles now because the PC have essentially made all three platforms outdated by a factor of 1 generation. What's even worst is the fact by the time the next plaforms out even those would be outdated at least by a factor 2 generation by the PC.
Now don't tell that the PS3 isn't outdated because not even it can run the original Crysis, especially at full settings.