This has been a big deal. A big enough deal to warrant the involvement of the Homeland Security Department.

According to a new report , DHS officials have confirmed they're "helping to mitigate the damage" from the recent PlayStation Network security breach. DHS spokesman Chris Ortman said they're aware of the PSN/Qriocity intrusion and his organization is "working with law enforcement, international partners and Sony to assess the situation." Yeah, we're only talking about gaming and music, but the data these hackers accessed could be used to infiltrate other systems "critical to people's financial security." While credit card info was encrypted at the time of the attack, and credit card companies are reporting no untoward activity , that data is still valuable.

Senior vice president in the national security sector at SRA International, Patrick Burke, said Homeland Security's role in such a situation "is to help companies exchange information about the nature of their losses with customers, the commercial sector and the government as soon as a breach is discovered." Lastly, director of the technology policy program at George Mason University's Mercatus Center, Jerry Brito, put things in perspective by saying this is "scary but not world-ending scary." As he says, "We have much more to fear from nuclear weapons and real war."

Ah, but isn't the war of the 21st century a cyber war? As Ben Kingsley said in "Sneakers," the world is run by "1s and 0s; little bits of data" and "it's all about the information."

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JMO_INDY
JMO_INDY
9 years ago

Wow, scary stuff indeed. I'm thankful I never put any sensitive data on there such as a credit card number. I love that quote BTW Ben, ran by 0s and 1s. Excellent way of putting it. I can't believe these hackers have this much time on their hands. Imagine the paychecks they could be getting if they utilized these skills for good. Too much wasted time for people who are just a waste of space.

faraga
faraga
9 years ago

If they would've pulled this scam off and had stolen the CC information of at least 40 million people, they wouldn't have to worry about a paycheck for quite some time.


Last edited by faraga on 4/30/2011 2:13:09 AM

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
9 years ago

@ faraga

I think that there should be a code entered everytime a person uses their credit card when purchasing something. That why criinals using stolen credits would have an impossible time figuring out how to use someone elses CC.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

You mean like a Credit Card with a security chip? :p

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

God I hope they find these goons.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Me too. All this trouble from one person or small group of people with a grudge?

No one will support hackers again with crap like this pulled off. No wonder Anonymous has literally no supporters and no one turns up to their rallies.

Companies hate hackers, just like everyone hates thieves. Would anyone just "lay down and take it" if people kept getting their locks broken in robbery attempts? NO!!! We double our security to make it harder!!!

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

Just wait, it's not over yet. The stock fallout for Sony will be horrible, and I expect the 360 will get a resurge out of this. Just when my beloved PS3 hit its stride, it gets knocked back. (Which, I think, was the true impetus for the hack, though I have no evidence to support this statement. Just a hunch.)

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
9 years ago

I really hope that they put all their efforts into determining who is responsible for all this mess, gather all the necessary hard proof against them, and go down hard on those bastards. I don't care what they do, but those responsible for hacking the PSN should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Just because they could hide behind their computers shouldn't mean that they would be forever safe!


Last edited by ZettaiSeigi on 4/29/2011 9:54:31 PM

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

With so many law enforcement agencies and cyber-police committies on the case, I have no doubt Sony will do a fine job restoring and securing everything tighter than a bank vault.

I just hope this doesn't sway too many people over to the Xbox side of things. Otherwise, once sales spike and more members join Live, it'll just be a big a target as ever for hackers. Imagine all the points and Credit Card info they'd pull off Live, it'd be like hitting the jackpot!

DirtySkillzHD
DirtySkillzHD
9 years ago

These crooks better be put to justice. I wan't more than BLOOD.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Oh, there going to get more than blood in jail.. with all the lonely guys in there.. Yeah, I'm not going to talk anymore about this I'm sure you know where I'm getting at.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

It looks like somebody is in way more trouble than they anticipated and that makes me extremely happy. I hope they get the maximum penalty allowed by law to serve as an example for the fools who might try something like this in the future.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Agreed. It's time for an example to be made, and these crooks need to be the ones.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

No doubt Sony will work hard for as long as it takes to finally track down these scum. Over 50 million people with 77 million accounts want to see the criminal get what they deserve.

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

Anyone know offhand what the maximum punishment is?

MyWorstNightmar
MyWorstNightmar
9 years ago

Death.

Bloodysilence19
Bloodysilence19
9 years ago

im just glad their people actually helping out sony in this, and really trying to find this sleezy hackers. if they do find them, even if its one guy. if the fbi or HS cant beat it out of the person to give up info, can we gamers volunteer to do it im sure we could get the info out of him.

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

Well if homeland security is involved then the guys involved should be shaking and crying. If found now they have absolutely no rights. Homeland security doesn't have to put you on trial, they can just do what they will.

I'd be scared.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Hell yeah, that's some scary gestapo stuff we have in America now. I'd be paranoid as hell if I had anything to do with what happened.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed. The DHS is almost literally the secret police. If they invoke the patriot act and call your action terrorism (funnily enough this hack probably meets the definition) you have no rights at all. Welcome to the new Gitmo dudes.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

If Homeland Security do find this guy, rather than them deal with the criminal in a dark room, send out an email to all PSN subscribers to line up outside the office with whatever blunt weapon of choice and let the public decide how to deal with this fool!!

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

Highlander

Considering how the patriot act is written it could easily be classified as terrorism. Heck if you are out in public, had a small cough, and happened to cough near a homeland security officer, he could snatch you from your home that night and you'd never be heard from again.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It's about zeros alright, the "Zeros" are the hackers themselves.

Sounds like Homeland Security was bored and thought they'd take on a hobby while they sat around wasting money and bungling everything up in superfluous bureaucracy. Who knows, maybe they will finally be useful.

Hezzron
Hezzron
9 years ago

Here's hoping Osama Bin Laden is behind the PS3 hack. That way Homeland Security can kill two overdue birds with one stone.

N_C
N_C
9 years ago

@Hezzron
Jawknee (quietly to himself on his computer reding psxextreme…): "Heh, Hezzron, don't you mean, Obama Bin Laden??? Plus I mean come on he never even provided a full birth cerficiate to prove he was born in…oh wait a minute…"

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

You know when it's serious if Homeland security steps in.

Can't wait for them to get caught!

BIGRED15
BIGRED15
9 years ago

my guess is that homeland security is probably the key to figuring out who is responsible. If any one can figure this out, i bet they can

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

These douche bags need to be brought down! They need to be caught and I hope it's inevitable that they do! I can't stand what theyve done and I hope they are scared outta their minds right now!


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 4/29/2011 10:32:19 PM

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Here's a question for you guys…

So a lot of speculation is that this attack was probably brought upon Sony because of their stance against hackers. Obviously taking Geohot fraud guy, to court made a lot of hackers upset. So assume that part is true. Since Sony will undoubtedly do everything they can, along with homeland security, FBI and Any other parties involved to catch these guys, and they do, what do you think happens to Sony then? Or better yet to the hacking community?

Do you think Sony will be target to more attacks after all this? Do you think hackers would continue to do their thing, being dumb asses? Or do you think it would slow a lot of it down? It would be a huge win if these guys got caught ever!

I know how I feel but I'm curious as to what others might think, now that homeland security is involved…

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Well, my hope is that they catch enough of them and the punishment is severe enough that it makes any future hackers think twice about whether it's worth it or not. But who really knows. Either way, even if it doesn't completely stop the attacks, authorities and Sony should never stop perusing them.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Involving the real security agencies does bring a greater level of reality to this, but if the folks behind the attack on Sony are established criminal hackers, they will hardly care. Then again, if any of these folks get caught and brought to justice, that would have a chilling effect.

The biggest plus that could come out of this is if legislators around the world wake up to the fact that a large portion of the world's GDP now depends on the Internet, and yet the Internet was never, ever designed for this use. In fact it's evolved as it's grown, but security was never a priority. Legislators need to address this in the criminal codes and regulations that drive the Internet towards a more secure future. Putting some political will behind IPv6 with more secure protocols would be a start.

Jawknee, I completely agree, Sony should not stop until they are all brought to justice. Examples need to be made. I'm also hoping that the security firm that Sony engaged will be helping Sony with not only beefing up their security, but also putting better tools in place to allow Sony to quickly trace and capture any suspect traffic coming into PSN.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 4/29/2011 10:53:33 PM

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

I agree with both of you as well. I don't think Sony should ever stop, I think what they did to Geohot was not only in their best interest but the right thing to do. I can't believe how many articles I've read by websites that pride themselves on gaming journalism, saying Sony asked for it by taking hotz to court. I think Sony did the right thing. They go to lengths saying Sony has a huge chip on thier shoulder and that they are a corporate company who cares nothing but themselves. It's sickening to read because they are giving the hackers a free pass, while Sony is obviously trying to bring them down.

I think if these guys ever got caught because of the magnitude, I would hope it would make hackers realize what they are doing is wrong. But as you stated highlander of they are criminals they won't care. I do think it would be a huge win though for anyone fighting hackers.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 4/29/2011 11:18:01 PM

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

@TheHighlander: As I read your comment, I stopped at "security firm" and blinked, because for some reason, I thought you meant a company like Blackwater, and I got really excited.

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

While I am really hopeful they catch them and give them the severest punishment we can think of, I'm afraid that in reality it won't dissuade others.

Criminals have been punished since the beginning of crime and there will always be someone else who says, "I won't get caught, I'm better than that guy."

Although I do think crime would diminish if we had harsher penalties. Today most criminals aren't afraid of getting arrested. "Oh no! Free room and board with cable tv, a gym, and free schooling." The terrors.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

So, looks like these <insert insulting and nasty name> hackers messed with the wrong hornet's nest. First it was the FBI and now the DHS, I bet that the resources of the NSA are being swung into action too, they can decrypt just about anything, and monitor a lot of data traffic in real time. If anyone can track these morons, it's them.

Basically, the hackers messed with the wrong target.

Frankly I think that both the FBI and Homeland security (in the US) and police/intelligence services elsewhere ought to be interested in this kind of thing. The people behind this, and the people behind removing the security from the PS3 – and hence compromising PSN security – all represent a threat in the cyber-sphere. This has been coming for a long time. A lot of real harm can be done by people doing things in cyber-space that they would never dream of doing in real life. It's time to bring real consequences to the perpetrators of these kinds of attack since their attacks and hacks can have real consequences for companies and consumers who are the victims of these crimes.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

We will have to see how this pans out. Personally I won't assume anything yet, nor would I assume that Law Enforcement has won the day.

I honestly believe they will not be able to bring everyone to justice due to the very nature of the internet and how anonymous one can be if they try hard enough. You can launch an attack from your local Starbucks if you want… who is it then? And then the one up the street… etc etc, are they going to pat down and search every Starbucks customer who walks in there with a laptop or smart phone?

I think Sony will have "some" success… but Homebrew and hackers are here to stay I'm afraid… We got to get over it and know that this side of the underworld will always be with us.

We may not want it, but it is here to stay. My advice is, becareful with your personal information; or be as careful as you can be.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"


Last edited by Qubex on 4/30/2011 12:28:13 AM

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

Qubex

Actually with the DHS involved, yeah they probably would search every person who had walked into the starbucks. They would probably raid your home, arrest you at work, and do whatever else they felt like doing.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Well, the attack was sustained, so it would be hard to carry out through a starbucks without some indication. But I get the point. However the DHS can – IIRC – call on the NSA for assistance. As clever as the hackers might be, I'm willing to bet that the NSA's Germans are smarter than the Hacker's Germans are (if you get the reference I will be delighted). Besides the brains of the NSA, you also have their computational resources which are silly big.

Either way, I agree that not everyone will be captured, but if they get enough of them, perhaps a few will cut deals by giving evidence against others. That should maximize the numbers caught.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

True, that is a good point Highlander. If they do get a few, more may fall!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

David Caruso: Looks like they… attacked the wrong Gaming company!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/CelL1337/david-caruso-horatio-cain.jpg

frylock25
frylock25
9 years ago

its to good to be true. I am glad that it is true though. funny how sony was "doing nothing" as everyone was saying. seems like they were doing a whole lot to me.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

This is why I read about this news here.

IGN is too busy scaring everyone into joining Xbox Live and saying that Sony did nothing until now. God I hate that website with a passion right now!!

Sony have been doing the right thing. They told the public everything they knew the moment they knew themselves. They are constantly keeping us up to date about what they are doing. It may have taken two or three days to figure out what the breach was and what was taken or copied, but Sony could have been like other companies and try to keep it hush hush while unsuspecting customers get robbed without their knowing.

In the end, all I can say is this.

F#*K you hackers!! No one likes you!!

Go Kaz, go!! Bring the justice and restore Sony's image!!

Kiryu
Kiryu
9 years ago

I bloody hate those pigs that talk down on Sony Computer Entertainment.
They teased ps3's games,sony disproved it.
They teased blu-ray,sony disproved it.
They teased ps3's graphics,sony disproved it.
They teased about move,8mil sold=sony disproved it.
and there r more then 6 aaa ground breaking PS3 Exclusives coming out this Year.I hope PS3 sales keep increasing till the next 10 years so that those pigs know that PS3 is the Generation Defining Console.


Last edited by Kiryu on 4/30/2011 6:41:10 AM

thj_1980
thj_1980
9 years ago

You know how serious this attack is when Homeland Security is involved.

I wonder what these hacker's are and their intentions on why they pulled this fiasco on SONY.

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

chances are their main goal was to desrupt psn which they succeeded. however, you cant really tell what each individual is thinging. a group may just go for an annoyance but one of those guys would just use it as a front to get stuff for themselves. either way they need to be found and brought to justice, law or whatever else fits.

Dreno
Dreno
9 years ago

Homeland securty huh? That's crazy. Hella crazy.

Well at least it sounds more and more like these hackers are getting ever so closer to their just desserts.. personally, I hope they get caught and spend a few years in a federal pen as some guy named rick the d**ks little personal blow up doll.

These hackers are screwing everything up for everyone.

I can't wait for this to be over though. Id just like for gaming to get back to what is was before this crap took place.

main_event05
main_event05
9 years ago

with the DHS involved i think they'll pray for club fed. I'm hoping for gitmo.

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

anyone else thing that this is practically the reason Anonymous claims to have stopped attack on the psn? they can say all they want to cover their @$$e$ but i still believe theyre the ones who did this. i cant wait for the day when i see the news that they caught these bastards.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Same. It's foolish for people to defend them and take them at their word. Even if they are "anonymous" they'd have to be morons to confess to attacking PSN at this point. They kept promising a huge attack on Sony then this happened and now they are saying it wasn't them? They're lying.

PorkChopGamer
PorkChopGamer
9 years ago

Careful. These comments can be used against you guys during jury selection.