"Gamers are smart people." This is why games don't need to be "dumbed down."

At least, that's what DICE executive producer Robbie Bach told OXM in a recent Q&A about Battlefield 3 . Consumers have blamed many a developer for dumbing down various franchises to reach a wider audience, but Bach says this is unnecessary for their new title:

"We do not think we have to dumb Battlefield down in any way to let more players enjoy it. Gamers are smart people. Our goal is always to build a better Battlefield game by keeping what makes Battlefield great: huge and tight battles, vehicles and infantry, destruction, the possibility to use different play styles and everything else.

Battlefield 3 will definitely be the best and biggest Battlefield game we've ever built."

Bach has gone on record by saying they're aiming for the stars with the graphics in Battlefield 3 ; they've overhauled EA's "ANT" animation system to fit into DICE's new Frostbite 2 engine, and thus far, early footage has proven impressive. This "no dumbing down" bit is also intriguing…

Typically – and this isn't a knock against shooters – the FPS genre doesn't exactly cater to the intellectual gamer; shooters can be a ton of fun and boast good stories, but few can be considered a "thinking man's game." It's the dumbing down of RPGs that give gamers fits this generation…maybe companies like Square-Enix can listen to Bach and his "gamers are smart people" comment.

Related Game(s): Battlefield 3

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UK_MrSim_UK
UK_MrSim_UK
9 years ago

Glad to hear this, I'm glad they're sticking to roughly the same formula I know and love.

Day 1 purchase. 😀

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I agree that games shouldn't be dumbed down, but I can't say that FPS-only players seem all that smart. Ya know what I've found in my own little anecdotal research? They won't even play a game unless the controls are the same as CoD. *eyeroll*

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

ha! that is so true. when i mention kz3 to my friends i get a lot of eye rolls. some claim it sucks even though i'm sure they never tried it. the most discouraging response is when they say huh what's kz3. my answer is the best online fps i've ever played, and it's ps3 exclusive. kz3 makes cod look ancient.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

So, considering that PS3 exclusives like Resistance 3, Socom 4 and MAG for example all have had more players online, how am I supposed to take this comment?

Does this mean that BF3 on the PS3 will more then 24 players?

rogers71
rogers71
9 years ago

Well, considering this comment has nothing to do with how many players the online mode will hold, you obviously took it way out into left field. Doesn't bode well for their 'gamers are smart people' view on things.

Start over please.

___________
___________
9 years ago

Yes, but you do realize that neither of those have the graphics or scale of BF3 right?
Only reason MAG can have 256 players is it has crappy graphics, small maps and no jets and such like BF3 will have.

Kiryu
Kiryu
9 years ago

In battlefield 3 from what i saw Graphics really matter to me and if the PS3 version is not as good as the PC version then i'm not buying.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Then you better get ready for the PC version, I'm afraid. 😀

Kiryu
Kiryu
9 years ago

I'm afraid i don't have a powerful pc.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

PC version is always better with the right rig, but that sh*ts too expensive, just get it on PS3. Graphics are important with games like this but they aren't worth a custom rig to me.

Kiryu
Kiryu
9 years ago

but i'm afraid to pay 60$ for a game inferior version when other people r enjoying the best version.


Last edited by Kiryu on 4/26/2011 11:34:28 AM

LightShow
LightShow
9 years ago

looks like youre stuck then, eh?

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

To be perfectly honest I think you are being silly now Kir. It's two different systems, different platforms. If you can't afford one of the platforms then forget that platform. Did you get annoyed if a psp game had a better looking version on the ps2?

If you do not want anyone else in the world to experience a better version than the one you are playing, for whatever reason, then you are pretty much stuck on only playing exclusives, and then, in my humble opinion, you are missing out on a *lot*.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

So you would deny yourself a good game, just because the graphic's aren't exactly up to PC code?

I could see it if it looks as bad as the Wii game "Marine 5: Modern Urban Combat's horrible Pre-Dreamcast dated looking graphics did.

But for Battlefield??????????

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Nice , Zipper should learn from DICE. Socom 4 is the worst Socom ever

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I believe that title goes to Confrontation, it was a mess.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

No it goes to Socom 4 , Confrontation was and still a mess but it plays like Socom it also doeas have all the old Modes and everything.
Socom 4 has nothing to do with Socom , Cover system? No pistols? No lobbies? No party system? Unable to play with friends? Ugly camera that soom in and make u sick , Horrible hipfire ,SMG more powerfull than snipers rifles.Mic system not working well.Do you wnat me to continue the list this game has?

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Grenades fails , Only clan leaders or commanders can create clan challenges other members has to wait for them to be online in order to play togethers, if not they have to join games and wait 20 to 40 to get a spot.Camera dont switch shoulders do your left side is always a blind spot. XP for getting kills? wow it is obvious this game was made to bring other kind of gamers.Air strike? hahahaha ,Ranked respawn??? u gotta be kidding me.Plus the leader designer leaves the game guess why.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

SOCOM 4 is still SOCOM, it's just different than the other entries. God forbid the developers try something new with the series but you get people like you who keep others from trying something different.

They also could add new modes with complete old school stuff from SOCOM 2 with new DLC for it.

It's still fun to play I tried the Beta out when my bro was playing it, but it will never compare to the old entries of SOCOM. Confrontation also wasn't my favorite but I played it once in awhile when I had it.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

24 players online is weak for a game of that type. I do not want Zipper to follow suit.

Kiryu
Kiryu
9 years ago

Then go play the first socom again.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Yeah something new and dumbed down.New modes? the only new one is bomb tech all the other modes are from MAG , terrorist speaking english?? hahahahaha i almost forget that one.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@mid10

i have to agree with CLAMEDEUS that confrontation is worse than socom4. that game was a mess, and i did not care for it at all. i do understand what you are saying as a socom vet. you probably have different expectations than me.

i just have a hard time rating confrontation over socom 4.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

It's all good excel , i know that confrontation its gliched and has a lot of bugs but dont tell me that Socom 4 is a Socom game.The only Socom part of Socom 4 is the name on the box.
Clamedeus have FUN trying to join agame with your bro ,but please come back to the forums and tell me how long it takes you to get in the same room.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

It's not going to take long, well considering the downtime of PSN it could take a while.

If you read up on things you would know that Zipper is working on the Party system they want to do it right and not rush it and screw something up.

You can get in the same game, but you might not appear on the same team.

But rest assured when it releases i will gladly tell you how i was able to join.


Last edited by Clamedeus on 4/26/2011 11:46:41 AM

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Dont you think its a little too late to add something that should already be in the game?
A game that's all about team work without a party system or lobbies its a JOKE im sorry.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

How is it too late? It's called patches my friend it's a very good thing in this day and age.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Whatever man Socom 4 is the best shooter of all times!!! its that ok with you?

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Did I ever say it was the best shooter ever or best SOCOM? No. My favorite SOCOM games are 1 and 2. So please stop trying to turn what I am saying into something that I didn't even mention.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

mid10 –

It's obvious you are passionate about SOCOM. But I believe you have reached a point in which you need to move on.

Games should make someone that upset.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

U dont think Socom 4 was dumbed down in anyways from the other Socom games?

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

I will Max , im moving on ,im just waiting for my first computer gamer so i can forget what they did to Socom but im not spending $60 on that crap.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I do, but I don't know if we can do something about it. But i like to believe all of us can. All we can do is try to get the developers attention to fix things in SOCOM 4, to me it resembles a bit of CoD with the Air-strike mind you it wasn't usable in the older entries like you can use it in SOCOM 4, I'm just viewing it at a different angle. I do agree with you on the Pistols and such. Secondaries should always be a Pistol in SOCOM.

I'm not trying to make fun of you or anything I am just trying to show you a different perspective on it, maybe they can change it? We don't know until we try.

I don't like to argue with people that's not how i am. But I am passionate about SOCOM and other games, I'm just trying to hope for the best of it. I'm sure you can understand where I am coming from on this. I'm a veteran of SOCOM just like you are, but i like to keep an open mind about things especially when it comes to my favorite game series.

SOCOM 1, and 2 will always be in my heart of my favorite game it was amazing back then when i first played it, there was something special about it.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Great , the problem is that Zipper dont listen , they just want money thats why they make this game the way it is.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Well, I do hope something happens to make them go back to their roots of SOCOM 1, and 2.

I'm just hoping for the best even if it's far fetched, If they can fix things. And if they listened to some of the MAG users I hope they can listen to the community of SOCOM to make it a better game even though I myself wouldn't know how to go about doing that because I'm not a developer.

I hope the window is open so the crowd is loud enough so they hear it.

jimmyhandsome
jimmyhandsome
9 years ago

I think Zipper is a developer that cares and listen's to its community. They'll make the changes and the patches.

mid10- dunno if you heard but the PSN has been down, how could you have possibly played this game online enough to pass judgement? Or are you just going off of playing the beta?

dkmrules
dkmrules
9 years ago

LOL I think someone has buyers remorse… Learn to read reviews before buying shitty games.

daus26
daus26
9 years ago

Oh they're talking about gameplay. At first I thought they were talking about transitions between PC to console or differences between PS3/360.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear this. When I'm sniping from far away, I don't expect to hit the target by just pinpointing with the aim at dead center.

sa3vis
sa3vis
9 years ago

It annoyed me when the reduced how high and how far you had to lead really long distance shots in Bad Company 2 so this gives me hope.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I had a hard time trying to pilot the helicopters effectively in Battlefield Bad Company 2, if you could make your own lobby and train for awhile in piloting it, I don't think I would of had any problems using it online. And the fact that people steal it all the time, and destroy the helicopter that you are piloting in because they didn't get in first.

The only thing i didn't like for the private match is you need I believe an amount of 8 people to start a private match.

mid10smaradoarg
mid10smaradoarg
9 years ago

Noob

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Noob you say? I would like to test that theory in multiplayer.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

And the reason why it's so hard to pilot is because everyone hogs the helicopter and you don't get much air time. If that didn't happen I'm sure I would be a good pilot. I mostly play on the ground but I'm interested in air combat.


Last edited by Clamedeus on 4/26/2011 11:09:15 AM

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

@Clamedeus

I know what you mean, Ive been playing BF since 1942(see what I did there lol!) and once the helicopters got introduced in BF2 I had such a hard time trying to pilot them I eventually quit. I wish I hadn't though I could be a really good pilot by now, I just stick with land vehicles.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I hear you man it's pretty tough especially if you can't get into the helicopter without being scolded by players, and not being able to train in private to get better.

But when I'm able to play BF2 when PSN gets up I'm going to try it out and start training, I don't have a PS3 right now but I'm using my brothers when he lets me use his.

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

One thing I do like about playing BF on the PC is the amount of assistance I get when I don't know what I am doing. My teammates will help me instead of insult me if I am making one too many mistakes. One thing that sucks about playing BF:BC2 on my PS3 or 360 is that some players aren't that nice, instead of encouraging me to try to train with helicopters they will bash me until I get nor will they let me back in to give it another go.

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
9 years ago

I like that they market to the smarter gamers. I guess they dont want to compete with COD after all 😉

Culoslap
Culoslap
9 years ago

I'm sure Battlefield 3 will be a great game but I'm more excited about Resistance 3. I won't have the time to play both so I choose R3.

I have a question for the community. Are there any other gaming sites that aren't IGNorant and show obvious bias against the PS3? I like to check other sites but it's getting ridiculous with the amount of Sony directed hate.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

the sixthaxis is a decent site. they cover all the systems. they cover the ps3 extensively, but i have noticed they will take shots at sony. they are usually pretty fair, though. it's a uk site.

as for these US sites like ign, the 360 is a lot more popular here, and i think they might be somewhat protective of the 360 becuase of that. not to mention all the money ms throws around. it should not influence them, but it might. it's also possible there are just more 360 fans over there.

Zorigo
Zorigo
9 years ago

I think you referencing the whole UK thing might be right, the ps3 is moreover the console of choice, obviously there are plenty of xbox gamers but the one more people talk about is the ps3. or at least thats what i hear at the parties i go to…