If there's one annoying trend that gets under my skin this generation, it's the length exaggeration.

Gamers and even critics have been guilty of claiming a game is at least 2-4 hours shorter than it really is; a good example would be a game like Heavenly Sword , which was widely accepted as a 5-6 hour quest. That's not even remotely close to the truth; it took me and everyone else I know at least 10 hours. Thing is, most of the length estimates you see are often the fastest possible finish time imaginable, so a regular gamer with no guide, no codes, and no hell-bent desire to speed through every last section in record time will almost never finish a game in the times claimed on the Internet.

And now we've got user reviews popping up for Portal 2 , claiming it's very short; some say it's as short as 3 hours. Don't believe this BS for a second. I'm not done and I think my play time is between 8 and 9 hours. Some of the puzzles have stumped me for a little while, but I'm certain that none took up an abnormal amount of time to solve, and I've been moving right along. The belief that it isn't worth $60 because it's "too short" is erroneous and shouldn't be given any attention whatsoever. I've also noticed some PC elitists are just plain miffed that PS3 owners get the game first (and the best version), so they're just automatically giving the game a 2 or something. You know, because they're so mature.

I just wanted to stop this right now before it got out of hand, and consumers start saying to each other, "yeah, but I heard Portal 2 was only…"

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Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

I will add one caveat- even if Portal 2 ends up being 10 hours for some people, without a multiplayer angle (which I don't care about, but many do), and little replay value, the game may not be as appealing as other titles.

I say "little replay value" because after you've solved the puzzles, it just doesn't have the same impact to go solve them again. Really, the only downside of puzzle-based campaigns.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 4/19/2011 10:05:16 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

What about the multiplayer campaign? That should add some value.

Zorigo
Zorigo
9 years ago

and some would say its worth it, i mean i played portal a good couple of times, its interesting enough and different to make me want to play it a feew more than one times

frylock25
frylock25
9 years ago

i want to replay the first portal just for the hell of it. i am hoping portal 2 does the same for me.

off topic but amazon has gold box on video games today. next deal is a ps3 exclusive, dont know what though.

SvenMD
SvenMD
9 years ago

It's still fun to shoot portals everywhere even if you've beaten the game. And I'm hoping the CO-OP is awesome (doesnt it have it's own dedicated story?)

Thanks for the headsup Frylock!

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It's KZ3 Helghast Edition for $60, get it while it's hot.

@Sven, yup Portal 2's co-op is a separate story from the SP, it takes place right afterward with two robots.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 4/19/2011 12:08:21 PM

BTNwarrior
BTNwarrior
9 years ago

and that is why they should have added a level creator, because the puzzle based mechanic would have been a perfect match for user made content

Godslim
Godslim
9 years ago

i dunno see i have begun to find it hard to justify the buying of games that arent long for the 40 pounds (england) that they ask for them when they dont last me more than a few days or 6 ish ours
games like ffx took me 30 plus hours to do along with the god of war and mgs series on ps2

it seems tho to me that games on ps3 arent usually as long any more and are to focused
on mp…..back on ps2 games seemed to last alot longer with sp campaigns and with certain exepctions on ps3 it seem not as much effort is put into the sp parts of some games

oh and i cant wait to get portal 😀


Last edited by Godslim on 4/19/2011 10:15:17 AM

Wissam
Wissam
9 years ago

I though most of ps3 exclusives has a good length. like kill zone 2 3 and gow3. uncharted 1
and 2 infamous etc. yet talking about other games some of them are really short.

Godslim
Godslim
9 years ago

yeh uncharted took me a while to do, same for a few ps3 exclusives actually yeh

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I'm sure it's a great game, I'll be looking at reviews from pros instead of d-bags.

NazzyQ
NazzyQ
9 years ago

I agree with Godslim. The fact of the matter is that games are very expensive these days, and unlike game critics, we don't have the luxury of receiving review codes of games.

As you've already said Ben, no real person is going to speed through the game, hell-bent on completing as quickly as possible. But these total playtimes claimed by reviewers do give us some indication as to how long each individual gamer is going to take to beat a game.

I think reviewers should should give a total playtime range, like so: "you could beat game X in 4-6 hours if you really set your mind to it, but most people, playing at a reasonable pace, will beat it in 8-10 hours".


Last edited by NazzyQ on 4/19/2011 10:31:17 AM

Eld
Eld
9 years ago

I'm sorry, but 10h game, especially when it needs to be stretched, is really not worth $60.

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

Who said it needed to be stretched?

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Great. There goes half the games out there, and most all action games like God of War III and Uncharted 2.

SvenMD
SvenMD
9 years ago

I also find peoples times on video games misleading.

Dead Space 2 took me 14 1/2 hours the first time I played it….but later I did a speedrun in 3 1/2 hours…so it's all relative.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Most games I really enjoy I play more than once. I've played U2 three times, GoW3 three times, KZ3 three times and I think I lost count with all of the Ninja Gaiden's and their variois iterations.

And sometimes, I think games can be too long if they're not properly balanced and engaging enough to have the legs to carry it through to the end.

Eld
Eld
9 years ago

Eh, you can downthumb me all you want. It doesn't change the fact gaming industry is a business. If publishers estimate people are willing to pay $60 for 3h game they will be releasing 3h games in the future. We didn't get where we are today overnight.

And yes, that does mean I will not be buying quite a few games out there on release day. Sorry, but I can't justify paying full price for games I can finish in two short evenings.

Serakek
Serakek
9 years ago

I'm thinking that I gonna wait on this till it drops to $20-25 dollars. I just played the first Portal this morning and beat it in less than 2 hours(start to finish). So, even if Portal 2 is 5 times longer than that, I still can't justify paying more than $25 for it. Especially since I paid $20 for the Orange Box and got 5 games. Still, the game looks great and I've been hearing it's getting really good scores.


Last edited by Serakek on 4/19/2011 11:03:21 AM

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

This isn't my thing and I'm one of those who holds to the length vs value trend. If a game is only 10 hours but I want to play it 5 or 6 times then ok, paying more for it is fine.

However I honestly don't care how great or awesome a game is, if it's 10 hours and you are left with no reason to replay it, then I'm waiting for it to be cheap.

To be fair though, I don't have a lot of money and I wait for almost every game to be cheap. I only buy 1-3 games a year at full price.

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
9 years ago

Thanks Ben, what a great article! I agree with you and feel Portal 2 will be a fantastic game. One aspect of the game that will make me come back for a 2nd play through is the story. I hear Portal 2 is very well written. I also plan on trying out the COOP too. Certain games are to short, Homefront I am talking to you! If Portal 2 turns out to be a 10 or more hour SP experience I will be happy with that. I should be getting my copy in about 2 hours so I cannot wait! Time for the final tune-up/training for Half-Life 3! We are going to need all the skills we have learned from Portal and Portal 2 to complete Half-Life 3! My prediction! 🙂

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

This is a prime example of why I only take the positives out of most peoples reviews.

The positive aspects that are usually covered in the reviews tell me everything I need to know.

Evil Incarnate
Evil Incarnate
9 years ago

I completely agree with you! Sometimes you'll find something in a review that may be game breaking in your opinion, but most of the time it's just nitpicking BS! People use these stupid number scores far too often, without reading a review and forming they're own opinion. If you go by only number scores, you're missing out on some damn good games.

As far as the length of games, they really haven't changed in time completion since video games were invented. Most games since the frickin NES could be completed in 5-10 hours!


Last edited by Evil Incarnate on 4/19/2011 11:54:15 AM

Mornelithe
Mornelithe
9 years ago

First eh? My friend Nate was playing Portal 2 last night at around 10pm. He was pre-selected to get it early via Steam.

Best version? C'mon Ben, we both know that they said it would be the best 'Console' version. And really, it depends upon the PC you're playing with, that defines performance. Hardware-wise, we're well aware that PC's outpace the consoles, and have for a few years now. Why even try to start something with PC users?

Obvious flame-bait aside, I'm supremely happy to see Valve finally getting their heads around the PS3, and to see Steam opened up on Sony's machine. It'll only make things better for everyone in the long run.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

To be fair, I think he's just talking about the grumpy elitists. The one's who constantly talk crap about console games and gamers. Not all PC gamers are elitists. I wouldn't consider you or Limited_Vertigo PC elitists. 🙂

Nlayer
Nlayer
9 years ago

Not only is Portal 2 the best console version, but it also comes with the PC version. That translates in my mind the better buy-able version.

That's just me though. I get the great PC version of the game along with the best console version of the game. Perhaps this is why Ben said it was the better version?

I'm not trying to start any heated debate, by the way. Just sharing my opinion. =]

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

I'll "start something" with PC users whenever I feel because besides specs, they basically have had no ammunition for about a decade now. 😉

Besides, PC elitists bug me far mere than any Ninty fankid or Xbot. The superiority complexes of the PCers are just………beyond vexing.

MyWorstNightmar
MyWorstNightmar
9 years ago

Top of the line PS3 costs $299.99. Rumors abound that it is soon to be cheaper.

Top of the line PC costs _____(enter dollar amount here, everyone seems to have an opinion as to how cheaply they can put together a high end gaming pc for).

PS3 works perfectly for my tastes, even if there are PC's out there that can outpace it as you say. It is not worth the cost investment IMO.

JMO_INDY
JMO_INDY
9 years ago

I remember hearing best played on PS3. I don't know whether he ever clarified. But those were the words he said, not best 'console version'.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@ben

that comment about starting something anytime you want with pc gamers just was not cool for an administrator. they are gamers too, and deserve a little respect. i have way more respect for them than i do for the brainwashed xbox fans.

i have actually convinced a couple of pc gamers to get a ps3. they share the view that the network should be free. so there seems to be some common ground there.

my xbox loving friends won't even touch a ps3 becuase they say the network is crap, games look better on the 360….blah,blah. they drive me way more nuts becuase they think the 360 is the best machine out there when it's not. factor in the free psn network, exclusives, and the 360 hardware failure rates and it seems like a nobrainer to me.

whatever, it is what it is, and i just can't get it through to them. there are a lot of elitist 360 owners out there as well…i will say that. they annoy me way more than pc gamers.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

It was a joke.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

LOL! I love it when users tell the admins how to run their site. Classic.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Elitists exist in any conceivable social category that I can think of. There's elitists with the PC, PS3, Xbox and, yes, even Nintendo camps. It's a human behavior that can be exhibited by anyone and anywhere.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@jawk

it's called an opinion. get over it. i'm not telling ben how to run his site so you can stop with the crouch riding.

@temjin

you are correct that there are elitist on all sides, but i've encountered far more xbox elitist. i got to thinking about your comment and wondered if i was a ps3 elitist becuase i think it's best machine, but i don't think i am. i'm willing to acknowledge the good points of the 360. it has some great games as well, and a great network to back it up. so i kind of get why it's so popular.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 4/20/2011 6:35:23 AM

SSRGohan
SSRGohan
9 years ago

I try not to rush with games and sometimes because of that i now have at least 8-9 games i still need to finish, good thing i never get rid of my games. I got this game because amazon was giving away $20 if i pre-orderd from them, same with new socom but i hope it has Resistance beta. i cant wait for delivery in 15 minutes!!!

JPHarvey
JPHarvey
9 years ago

There is certainly a Wow factor that should count for something. Even considering that Portal was on a crappy orange box PS3 port, I enjoyed every minute of it and was left with a Wow feeling that very few games have done.

Now that it's built for PS3, has coop and all, I'm not going to stop to some crappy estimates about gameplay length.

I bought Portal 2 this morning and cannot wait to spend some quality time with my son tonight!

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Ah, my copy just got delivered today. Haven't even unwrapped it yet. From what I have read, it's taking people 10 to 12 hours to finish. And that's just the single play campaign.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Wow, I had a look at gamerankings, the game is raking in rave reviews atm, even a ten blank! It's been a while since last time that happened?


Last edited by Beamboom on 4/19/2011 1:23:50 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

if there's something about the Portal series that doesnt particularly grab me, it's that it isnt very content driven.
Judging from the first game, most of what was done took place in a setting that has a very sterile, clinical-like, feel. I know this is more of a matter of preference, but something I value in gaming is the expressive artistry of fantasy settings and worlds. Which is something that Portal appears to tread lite on. Great game, nonetheless.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

You're absolutely right, though. The entire feel of Portal (and Portal 2) is very sterile to me.

But I blame that on the archaic Source engine, which gives a stark semblance to everything, and an almost complete lack of richness or artistic sensibility. Really, the doors in Portal 2 are basically the same doors I went through in Half-Life 2.

But of course, that isn't the point of the game. 🙂

Lairfan
Lairfan
9 years ago

I think the point of the game's style is to be clinical and sterile. Remember, its a testing lab, its not going to have elements of the fantastical scattered throughout it.

SSRGohan
SSRGohan
9 years ago

ok i dunno if it just went over my head or im getting really good about trying to ignore games around their release dates because i dont want to judge the game based on what people say but anyways totally unrelated and i think its a VERY good sign or at least i hope, im pretty sure i read the right thing from manual. ok so i by buying the game for the PS3 i now also have access to its mac/pc steam version totally free AND i could play across all three consoles (if needed) or at least use my ps3 and play with some friend using their pc/macs!!

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
9 years ago

Yes, you are correct, a very nice fan service from Valve! I have been playing the game for 2 hours and it's fantastic with an awesome atmosphere and story. The puzzles are very fun. Cannot wait for session 2!

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

the sixth axis gave portal 2 a 9 but did mention you could beat the game in a dedicated weekend. they also claimed it has little replay value. a lot people in the comments section were complaining about its length saying they would not buy a short game while some defended it. sixth axis beat it in seven hours.

i'm sorry, but with little replay value or multiplayer i can't justify a purchase. sounds like a rental to me. i don't buy the argument that length is irrevelant. why spend $60 on a game that can be beaten in a dedicated weekend that has little replay value? i always factor in the length of a game, and its replay value when considering a purchase.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

If they beat he campaign in 7 hours then you factor in the co-op campaign, lets give it a 5 hour mark, the game is 12 hours. Plus with Steam we will be getting all the same DLC the PC version gets. The game has plenty of value.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

7 hours? They must be genius puzzle-solvers then. I guess I'm just no good at it.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

well, they did say they were portal experts. i forgot about the coop so i will keep that in mind. l'm still sensitive to length with little replay value.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

Well of course at least in theory the running time of virtually any game is going to vary depending on difficulty setting and/or individual ability. This may not have been an issue at all with the original Portal since it was released from the very beginning as part of a larger package: The Orange Box.

But Portal 2 is on it's own and as such I'm afraid that a lot of people may not find that it really justifies paying full price for it.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

yeah, playtime does vary and these guys claimed to be portal experts. having said all that, many seem to be complaining about its length. its the overall length, and replay value that has me concerned. i'm just not going to spend $60 bucks on a game that can be beat in a dedicated weekend that has little replay value.

others may feel differently, and that's fine.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i actually find the length exaggeration by developers annoying as well. they consistently state playtimes that are longer than what it is, actually. every playthrough i had of heavenly sword came in under 6-7 hours. that game was way too short in my opinion, and is a bad example to list when complaining about people exaggerating length.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 4/19/2011 4:40:41 PM