It's the only phrase – stolen directly from "Seinfeld" – I can think of when jumping online.

I don't do it often but when I do, I typically don't even use my headset these days. While some will say the Xbox Live contingent is more immature than the PlayStation Network or PC online crowd, the fact remains that civility isn't often a common trait anywhere. Given the many, many strides we've taken in this industry, and considering the fact that we are involved in a legitimate form of entertainment that desperately needs a better reputation, this type of behavior can only hurt us. Thankfully, those in the mainstream group that continue to stereotype gamers aren't aware of this ugly trend…if they were, we'd never hear the end of it.

And I don't blame any specific game; in fact, this doesn't really have anything to do with video games. This is more about what happens when adolescents and woefully underdeveloped "adults" are allowed to compete and interact under a blanket of near-perfect anonymity. Psychologically speaking, it's one mass superiority complex and a social deficiency that apparently turns the majority of participants into raving idiots. I don't wonder at all that female gamers have to remain mute, nor am I surprised when I hear people say they simply won't play with anyone they don't know. I'm just wondering if, given the multiplayer boom, the online community will ever grow up.

Maybe with the ever-increasing average age of the gamer, that growth process is inevitable. I'd like to think it is. I'd also like to think parents might start being parents at some point, and restrict the playing of "M"-rated games online with complete strangers. He'll learn all sorts of things; none of which are pleasant. The bottom line is that the games can make all the strides they want; unless those who play them look up words like "dignity" and "sportsmanship" in the dictionary, the reputation of video games – and gamers – will remain mired in the muck.

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LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

It's never going to change. Thankfully when I game online PC side there are admins around (sometimes even me, how sweet is that) to control the mic spammers.

I don't think it has so much to do with age as the fact that gamers are behind a mic and a monitor and thus they're able to act in such a way they wouldn't normally do if everyone was in the same room.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

No I think Ben is absolutely right regarding the age difference. If you listen to a kid playing in real life he says a lot of stupid things, objectively speaking. It's just not as bad cause we can see them, most probably know them, and see they enjoy themselves. Gives it a different perspective.

I've played a lot online over the years. And of course you find exceptions amongst the adults but usually it is a teen that makes the gaming experience bloody annoying, with their bragging and immature behavior (naturally… 😀 ).

And you mention PC with admins etc, and you hit the nail on the head there.
On the pc platform, where we have a lot more options regarding running a server, customizing the game play and administrating access, communities can much easier get established. Getting "inside" one of those communities and a completely different world unfolds.


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/31/2011 2:44:01 AM

BIGRED15
BIGRED15
9 years ago

to be quite honest I come across a lot of players that are kids online but there are few that actually cause a problem. Sure they are naiive at times, but it sure doesn't mean that there aren't exceptions to the rules.
The esrb is around and for good reason for me, I am also an exception to a rule im the one who was, while living with parentals, was not allowed to endulge in a rated M experience in fact the 1st m game I played was GTA vice city and the 1st one I owned was resistance. While M games dont effect me now, its mainly because of my parents and id hate to say it, but im thankful that they restricted me because looking back and looking at kids that are unrestricted, i dont want to be know as some stupid loud mouth unfiltered kid that no one wants to play with.
I have played with kids that are perfectly fine and easy to cooperate with but then there have been other instances that arent so great. I played against some dolt on midnight club who couldn't help but make fun of my user name in the most irrelevent ways possible. Back when i played lost planet there was this kid that I loved to just terrorize because he was all over the map when he ran his mouth and it made for a good time. I will say that the instances that i run into these kids are few aand far between matches that it doesn't even matter so it really doesn't have as much of an effect on me on ps3 as it might if I owned a 360.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

This isn't going anywhere any time soon. Thankfully we can rest in the knowledge that none of this is especially unique to gaming. People behave just as reprehensibly to each other over sports, cars, motorcycles, politics, art, literature, and even philosophy.

The biggest problem is that if you give young people an impersonal platform upon which to grandstand with no repercussions it will result in disaster.

laxpro2001
laxpro2001
9 years ago

What an eloquent post.

Also not to be "that guy" but in some cases their are consequences as I'm sure you've heard of the occasional idiot trash talker gives address out and kid actually shows up and retaliates.

But yea def agree 100%

laxpro2001
laxpro2001
9 years ago

Going online is only fun for me if I win for the most part, though in some cases like LBP its fun no matter what 🙂

It actually annoys me because I see myself getting frustrated over a game when it really means absolutely nothing in RL. I respond to those who trash talk which annoys me even more because there is no reason to.

My competitive nature is really to blame, though I'm a lot more O.K. with losing to someone next to me.

I think you hit the nail on the head that its not th game but rather the users. Also these immature users are a lot fewer in number than they seem but you can often count on one to be in each game.

It also ruins the chance of having a conversation with someone because often times if I enter a lobby and hear (c)rap "music" playing the background I silence everyone if i can't single out the person because I just don't want to hear that garbage and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

It's like the saying goes, 1 bad apple spoils the bunch… or something like that

One last note. There have been some occasions where I not only made friends with ppl while playing online, but I was often losing in many cases, though these situations are often too rare.

Riku994
Riku994
9 years ago

I played with a girl named LusciousLabia once…

On Uncharted 2, come on guys, I'm not like that >_>

But seriously, most guys online can be pretty big dicks, (btw I'm actually watching Seinfeld as I type this) but there are the select few of us that can control ourselves. Not gunna lie though, I was really expecting a funny story in this article.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I haven't had the chance to play very often online. The only two games I've actually been able to participate in were White Knight Chronicles and ModNation Racers. Everyone I played with in WKC was extremely polite, but MNR was a different story.

My brief online experience is not enough for me to draw any definite conclusions, but the atmosphere with the crowd in WKC was a lot more pleasant.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

RPG gamers tend to be quite civilized.

sirbob6
sirbob6
9 years ago

@ World
Then you have never seen my RPG-gamer friends. Things get pretty brutal over what build is better. Then there is my D&D buddies. *shudders* Never, ever debate over anything, EVER!

But yeah, RPGers usually keep things classy.

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

I'll be honest, the rare times that I play an online game, I have a headset, but I rarely use it when I play. More often than not, it ends up the same way.

No one wants to work as a team, everyone is out for themselves. I hear people complain all the time that no one uses a mike on psn, but every time I get on with mine, all I hear is trash.

I've been cursed up and down for warning someone that they were about to be stabbed in the back. I don't usually see a point in using my headset, because apparently all they're good for is foul language and verbal abuse.

Only good experience I've ever had with online play. White Knight Chronicles. I headset up for that game every time.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

I used a headset in that game and it was kind of funny staring at the other players for minutes at a time, waiting for their typed response. Just when you thought they were ignoring you and you start to run off, the message would appear.

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

lol, yeah, before I got my headset I had a keyboard at least. I'd type something out and wait and wait and wait. lol

White Knight is a great game for using a headset.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

"This is more about what happens when adolescents and woefully underdeveloped "adults" are allowed to compete and interact under a blanket of near-perfect anonymity."

Just wonderful Ben… LOL!

Quantic Dreams, and a few others, are trying desperately to hoist aloft the flag of innovation… whilst the commercialism of the men in suits continue to demand a soup of fast cash and twich gaming experiences, with the net effect being the dumbing down of the gaming industry and the users themselves…

What I say though, if it is fun for the individual concerned, should they really care…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

My biggest pet peeve about gaming online is the goobers who have their rap music blasting in the back ground. Thank God for the mute button.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

I know, don't these idiots realize it sounds like sh*t over their mic.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Just over the mic?

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

It sounds worse in those all-open windowed $37 junkers sporting $8,000 DUBS, as it's doing it's fancy 2 MPH white-exhaust roll-by.

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

I love the people who are arguing with their wives and children, or they're yelling at their kids to shut up, now those are the real winners.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

Honestly, I don't really see the problem coming from the kids that play online. To me, it's usually the adults who are getting owned by the kids who start acting like immature idiots.

My son likes to play COD online and when he gets going on a killstreak he always says the same saying, "Rollin like a big shot". He doesn't direct it at anybody and is just playing but then I start hearing adults, some who are on his team during team deathmatch start yelling at him, calling him all sorts of names and just be general d*cks because he is a kid. It's basically come to the point where he turns on his mic and just sets it down so he can't hear it at all.

LittleBigMidget
LittleBigMidget
9 years ago

It's the internet. What can you expect? Personally I like the big douche waffles who spew garbage online. It feels good when I I beat them senseless in the game anyway.

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

I always use my headset. You miss 100% of the lulz if you don't have one. All this crazy talk about a few kids who overreact to criticism is just nonsense. You meet all kinds online, sure, but in general, people with headsets are hilarious. I wouldn't turn my mic off if you paid me.

The people with the biggest problems in mp matches are the ones who are stuck-up and can't handle a ribbing.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Or the ones who don't find the lamest, most cringe-worthy jokes funny.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

It's never just a ribbing. People tend to take things way to far. I don't know how many times I've been sent messages on PSN saying ridiculous things just because I beat them in a video game.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

"I f**ked your mom, you faggot *N-word*!"

^– most common and most annoying "ribbing" I ever hear. If that kind of obnoxious juvenile slander is your version of "ribbing", you (referring to the people who prefer this type of joshing) can kindly keep that in the gutter next to your personal diaper bin your mom bought you. I'm sure I've never heard your version of "ribbing" online. And if what I mentioned is what you're referring to… I'm quite positive we won't ever be agreeing on this.

Perhaps you're just FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR luckier than I am in the conversations you hear online, or maybe it's just that I don't have time to listen to your version of what is actually a poor and uncreative pot-shot.

Some of us have standards we like to live up to. It's not about "not being able to take it"; it's about being better than the ribbing… having the ability to rise above that collegiate nonsense.

Imagine… having the decency to talk to a person you don't know like a… uh… person. I joke and prod my buddies all the time, and vice versa… but in public, people just think you're an idiot if you try to land pot-shots on people you don't know. Especially since, chances are, they don't share the same type of humor you do.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/30/2011 11:17:01 PM

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

PasteNuggs,
HA, that reminds me, I've only received one message(that I thought was comical) that was while I was playing KZ3's Warfare mode.

I shot many enemies who were fleeing me, but one in particular must have not liked it too much because when I opened up the message, here's what he had wrote…

"You shot me in the back, YOU COWARD".

Well, I laughed my a$$ off & then deleted it.

But it's a shame that I didn't think to save it so I'd remember his username, cause I could have really had some wicked fun just chasing his Johnson & Johnson talcum-powdered butt all over the frigging map.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 3/30/2011 11:32:35 PM

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

aah yes, how could I forget the people so bent out of shape they take the time to type you a personal hate message full of colorful words.

LittleBigMidget
LittleBigMidget
9 years ago

I have the 2nd PS3 official headset, but alost no one ever has a mic on PSN ):

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i agree with littlebigmidget about hardly anyone having a mic on psn. it's a ghost town, and makes for a lot of boring sessions. might as well be playing bots. the lack of communication on psn is not a good thing.

it is the anomity of the internet that cuases some to act out. people are a little bolder on the internet when they know nobody knows who they are. others seem to be a little too much into the game. most of it is harmless banter that i think makes the session more lively.

it's not going anywhere, and there is always the mute button for those who need it. it is not always bad becuase i've had some great conversations with my fellow gamers. a lot of good times for the most part. i enjoy talking with my fellow gamers, and really wished more used a mic on psn.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 3/30/2011 11:17:39 PM

RadioHeader
RadioHeader
9 years ago

I rarely use a mic since there's usually a few people round my house taking turns, and of course we're all talking amongst each other. It's not a problem on PSN because as you say it's pretty quiet anyway, but when I had an xbox there would often be some dork declaring that anyone not using a mic would be kicked!1 …even though the only game I played was PGR3 which required no teamwork.

I prefer PSN the way it is. The less mics there are, the less chance there is of listening to someone whom you wouldn't normally give the time of day.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
9 years ago

Wonder how it is in other countries. Sadly in our country a lot (the majority) of people decide to act like 8 year olds.

I always mute mics and don't bother with FPS multiplayer sessions.

BIGRED15
BIGRED15
9 years ago

i remember someone giving a poll out to people over the mic as to who liked horseraddish or mayo better. lol yea you meet all kinds all right.

Nlayer
Nlayer
9 years ago

I hate that some people are so mean online games. It makes me fear to play with them. Although there really isn't any consequence to losing a match because I didn't do the "right" thing, I still feel bad when they start yelling at me before the kick me from the match.

It takes me awhile to get good at a game, so if I don't start playing the game online on its release day then I'll be hated and looked down upon for not knowing what to do.

Even with MAG; I'm so very scared to play Domination because I fear someone will get pissed at me.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

don't be afraid. it is just a game after all. i know what you mean about feeling bad if your are not doing so good at first. i will say this…i've learned a lot from my fellow gamers online. it's not just a bunch of mean people. there are helpful people, too.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

I have 2 older PS2 mics, one being the SOCOM mic, but I rarely used them till KZ3.

But after hearing 2 tweens at 3 in the morning(yes, I said 3 AM) going at it with each other **your mama sucks this, your mama does ___, ETC**, and then the very next morning(6AM) some little white 8 year old racist ankle-biter was talking some serious racial trash at a black man(just because he was black), I just got so disgusted that I unplugged my mic & I haven't used it since.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 3/30/2011 11:20:57 PM

THEVERDIN
THEVERDIN
9 years ago

I think that some of it is stats tracking, I've always said if took the stats out of online gaming it just might be fun to play.

elass0wyp0
elass0wyp0
9 years ago

Post of the day.

Pointless stat tracking creates a competitive drive in a generation that has never heard the word no. They grew up playing soccer games where no one keeps score so feelings aren't hurt and then throw themselves into simulated competitive testosterone inducing moments and are expected to react favorably. They don't know how to be a good loser and lash out verbally.

This topic is a dead horse, circa 2001.

CoolBLKguy
CoolBLKguy
9 years ago

Because of the tone of my voice most people online can make a good guess that I'm black. I don't need to tell you how that usually turns out. I get called the n word online so much to the point where I'll probably have some level of respect for one of these cowards if they called me one in my face. I would break their face open still for attempting to offend me but I would respect that they were man enough to speak their mind without being the protection of the internet.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

i must be lucky becuase in my countless hours of online gaming i've never heard that sort of thing. sorry to hear that you did. mostly what i hear is playful banter between players, and on a game like kz3 you can only talk to the other side between matches. on average i find about 4 to 6 out of the 16 are using a mic on kz3. most of the chatter is people telling teammates where the enemy is. i don't doubt what you say, and i am sorry you had to hear that.

CoolBLKguy
CoolBLKguy
9 years ago

The ignorant and hateful stuff I hear online is definitely specific to certain games online, not all. Killzone hasn't been that bad over the years, I've only heard racist rambling on 3 separate occasions playing Killzone 3. I lost count on how many times I've heard that stuff on COD games directed towards me and in general.

Random but relevant story, I bought another 360 earlier this year and picked up Gears 2 and some other games. My very first match online in Gears 2 I got blasted with n-bombs. I laughed and shook my head because it was just funny to me to experience that in my very first match online.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
9 years ago

I still can't believe our country still hasn't grown up since the 1960s. It's embarrassing. Not all of course, but if it's a common occurrence it reflects HEAVILY on the country as a whole.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

No it doesn't Crow. Stop spreading lies and misinformation about your home country. Leave if you are so embarrassed to be an American.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Hang on a sec, Jawk. He's got a point. He's right.

Not about America, specifically, but about 1st world culture in general. I assure you it has nothing to do with America specifically. The same thing occurs in England, Canada, and most any other English speaking 1st world country. It's a byproduct of other problems in culture.

And like crow said, it's not everyone. Some people are still raised well. But I think quality is now (and likely has always been) in the minority.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

He's not talking about England or Canada Underdog. He's taking another jab at American culture specifically. It's consistent with the rest of his anti-American ramblings. If he were talking about all western nations I wouldn't take as much issue with it and he wouldn't have brought up the 1960's. Though I would still disagree that a majority of the west is full of racists. He has a particularly negative view of American culture and this isn't the first time he's taken a cheap shot at us.

Also it's the wrong assumption to make considering the fact that gamers are a minority in any country and an even smaller number have mics and are willing to trash talk the way they do over the internet. So I completely disagree that a few racists idiot's who hide behind their mics on PSN or LIVE are a reflection of the country or society as a whole. US, England or Canada.

A majority of the fools I hear spouting racist non-sense online are the same fools who can't speak proper English because they have substituted it for Ebonics. They are hardly a representation of the United States as a whole.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/31/2011 8:15:46 PM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Well, there are some pretty discriminatory and awful people there. Just look at The Doom!

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Excelsior1,
You don't even have to have a mic to hear some seriously f*cked up sh*t going on. I still hear some of them coming out my TV's stereo speakers

Until my PS3 just died I used to marathon KZ3's Warfare mode so I'd be playing up to 36 hours at a sitting.
So I usually only heard the crap late, between the hours of 3:30AM to around 6AM when most ankle-biters should still have been in bed sucking on their pacifiers.

I can't believe their parents let them keep their consoles in the bedroom & then not even checking in on their well being, thereby catching them in the act that they've been sneaking on & gaming at all hours of the night.

My kid would have been grounded from his console & all games for at least 6 months, and also take his mic away……"FOREVER".

Plus, if & when I finally felt they were responsible to get their console back, it would have to go in a common area of the house(no bedroom!!!) that I could see at all times.
And then only allowed on during certain hours or the cord will be removed & hidden.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 3/31/2011 12:39:46 AM

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

oh, i believe you guys. that's why i said i don't doubt it. i've just never heard any racial slurs. anyways, i just don't like these blanket statements that it's all bad. there are helpful people out there.

WolfCrimson
WolfCrimson
9 years ago

BikerSaint, I thought you don't do online. What is this blasphemy about you playing KZ3 MP 36 hours straight I'm hearing? 😛


Last edited by WolfCrimson on 3/31/2011 2:06:10 AM

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

Busted!

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

No, BikerSaint doesn't 'normally' play online, but I clearly remember him saying a while back in another thread that he was going to make an exception for KZ3 when it came out.

So, no, Killa, not busted. His stories still check out.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/31/2011 9:19:16 AM