Oh, how true it is, regardless of how good some of those shooters might be.

We asked EEDAR analyst Jesse Divnich about Grand Theft Auto V , and whether or not it could reclaim the sales crown from current industry blockbuster Call of Duty . And while he wouldn't hazard a guess as to GTAV's release date or coming-out party, he did say that despite CoD's stranglehold on the market, consumers are begging for a change. We've heard something similar from our readers. Says Divnich:

"Call of Duty provides a differentiating experience than Grand Theft Auto, and vice versa, but both are definitely the top dogs in their market segment. The market has been absent of a high-quality sandbox title for a while and that has resulted in a migration in sales from sandbox action titles to modern war first-person shooters. But that works in GTA’s favor. Consumers are just drowning in modern day shooters right now and I believe the next 16 months present an excellent timeframe for a high-quality sandbox game. My prediction? GTA V’s sales will be of epic proportions."

It must also be noted – even if it's of little consequence – that due to the inordinate number of bugs and glitches experienced by Black Ops players, some have predicted this bitterness would translate to lower CoD sales this year. Also, analyst Michael Pachter apparently agrees with Divnich in saying that GTAV might hit 20 million in worldwide sales.

But there's one fact that does indeed ring true- the shooters are everywhere these days.

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maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Drowning in shooters?

Understatement of the year.

ColTater
ColTater
9 years ago

I just wish Infamous 2 would get the recognition it deserves and be that HIGH quality sandbox game. If part 1 wasn't considered high enough quality, I don't know what is.

telly
telly
9 years ago

I love a good shooter, but enough's enough you know?

shootu
shootu
9 years ago

GTA needs to change shooter gaming and make the first shooter game that is first person and third person. In my opinion all shooters should be this way. It cant be that hard racing games can do it why can shooters???

laxpro2001
laxpro2001
9 years ago

Not so much drowning in shooters, so much as it is experiencing a drought of other options… There are a lot but there always have been (for the past few years)

EDIT: They better make GTAV good and undo the mistakes they made in IV. I loved GTA III, VC, and SA as they were all excellent games. There was no reason I shouldn't have liked IV


Last edited by laxpro2001 on 3/30/2011 3:31:58 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Actually that's a *very* good point, Lax. We do not need fewer shooters, we want more of the other stuff.

What I want to see sometime soon, is a *really* complex, large, deep RPG for the rpg geeks. A game where I can spend days just figuring out stuff, a game where nothing is "on auto". I want to craft, I want to make decisions, customize skills, The battles should be a bonus to test your skills, not all you do.

I do not mean to sound ungrateful, the BioWare rpg's was really a lifesaver for me and there's Mass Effect 3 just around the corner, but dang I miss those games where I had to not only think, but *ponder*. I want to be forced to use a spreadsheet just to figure out where to put my skillpoints! 😀


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/31/2011 2:13:10 AM

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

Ive never been a fan GTA, and I probably won't play this one, but it does kinda feel like the shooter craze is coming down a little, I think, I hope.


Last edited by MadKatBebop on 3/30/2011 3:34:08 PM

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

He pretty much summed it down with:
"but both are definitely the top dogs in their market segment."

slugga_status
slugga_status
9 years ago

So true..everything is a shooter these days. If it isn't a FPS then it's a TPS. Some are good some are average and I've seen some that shouldn't have been a shooter at all..

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

well if patcher said it, it must be true. gta5 will be a great seller no doubt, but i still think the multiplayer is driving cod sales to their heights. this isn't 2006. the market has changed to one that prefers a close quater run and gun shooter named cod. i don't like it, but the sales of cod say a lot. i think it'll be tough to knock cod out the top spot unless the next game is really bad.
those glitches won't even phase cod sales. if something does overtake cod it'll probably be another twitch shooter.

maybe the oversaturation of shooters explains the poor kz3 sales. i wonder how crysis 2 is doing? i heard it was at the top of the 360 charts in the uk, but that's all i know. the shooter craze is far from over in my opinion.

gta4 split a lot of people's opinions on the series with many claiming the fun of the series was lost. it will be interesting what direction gta5 goes becuase that could factor into sales as well.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 3/30/2011 4:03:31 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

what did Pachter say?

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

he said he agreed with divnitch that gta5 would sell 20 million copies. at least that's what this article says at the very end.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Guess I spaced at the end, it will be interesting to see what the sales are. I'm tiring of GTA but I don't think the market is. Still, just about everyone complains that GTAIV wasn't a compelling game despite the quality.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

World, I have never played a GTA game, so GTAV will be my first outing with that I.P. Surely it should be a memorable experience…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

DjEezzy
DjEezzy
9 years ago

I definitely agree. Although, there are some great shooters out and coming out. Brink looks pretty cool and everyone one knows Battlefield 3 and Resistance 3 are going to be great. As far as another Call of Duty goes. No thanks. I really like COD but they need to change it up a bit. Really diggin Crysis 2. It'll probably be my FPS fix for a good while to come. Socom is my next buy and at least it's a TPS. Gotta love 3d gaming. LOL.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

socom 4 is my next buy as well. i wish ben would do a preview on it. the beta looks, and plays great so i think it deserves a little more attention. i don't want this to be another ps3 exclusive that slips under the radar. it's much improved over confrontation, so i encourage people to check it out for a great tactical tps fix.

ColTater
ColTater
9 years ago

I must just be really terrible at it, but I can't even see where I am getting shot from and 1-2 hits and BOOM dead and it isn't even from a sniper rifle, yet when I unload a clip at someone, nothing. Although it may not help that I am only level 10, and you have people that are already level 50 and higher on the beta. Also, it seems the characters run so darn fast that even if someone goes right by me while in crouch or prone, I can't even keep the aiming reticule on them to hit em. I can't get an even KD ratio. The camera doesn't seem to move fast enough, even with both set to the highest sensitivity. Maybe SOCOM and the TPS style just isn't for me, but I am great at Uncharted 2 so I don't understand.

I'd give the beta a 7 out of 10 right now, but maybe thats cuz I am getting pwned.

Guess I am stuck with the Sharpshooter for KZ3 and Dead Space Extraction until R3 comes.


Last edited by ColTater on 3/30/2011 4:47:52 PM

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

I've been loving the Socom beta. A friend of mine was over this last weekend and tried it out and loved it. I also gave him my extra code from KZ3. It reminded us both about all the fun we use to have on GRAW. Socom 4 just feels and looks so much better. Can wait for the final copy.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

@ColTater

It only takes 3 shots to kill someone. You might need to play a bit longer to get used to it. Also, by the time the final game releases, it will be completely different because of the feedback. That, my friend, is what betas are for.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

yes, you do get cut down fast, and there is a learning curve. it''s definitely not for everyone. when you get several good players with mic's in a group it's great. you can be a lot more aggressive when someone's got your back.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Gee, it must be so nice to be paid to state the blindingly obvious. I truly envy these analysts, when they're right, they're right, and when they're wrong, the market changed in an unanticipated manner requiring further analysis. Talk about a win/win job.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Well, for the record, Jesse didn't want to guess at the GTAV announcement because he predicted it would arrive at last year's E3. …obviously, that was way wrong and he's afraid to make any new predictions.

Not everything is so obvious in the analyst's world. 😉

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I blame consoles, there I said it. The 360 community has brought about this plague of shooters upon us. Where are the great RPGs, Adventure games, or even RTS. Too many are fine with a generic formula that is reused over and over.

Hell Crysis2 is not what it could have been. They finally released a patch PC-Side to deactivate autoaim. Pretty obvious who the lead platform was in that development.

I'm looking forward to Battlefield3 but other than that I'm done with the shooter genre, especially on consoles.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Not sure how you can blame consoles when the first PlayStation provided us with the greatest diversity of RPGs ever seen…something beyond the same real-time D&D format always seen on PC. Not to mention the popularity of certain titles in the action, platforming and sports genres.

I mean, if the PC has relied on anything at all, it's shooters. At least there are more than three genres on consoles.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

there might be some truth to that. at least on the 360 side. xbox fans have always preferred their shooters, and the shooter craze on consoles can be traced back to halo. i think the rise of the 360 as console of choice for hardcore gamers definitely is a factor in this shooter craze.

ben, will you please do a preview of socom 4, and offer your impressions of the beta?


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 3/30/2011 4:30:56 PM

ColTater
ColTater
9 years ago

360 only has the popularity it does because the PS3 wasn't out at the time when it first arrived so all the whittle boys went and asked their mom to buy it for them because they had to have the latest (not greatest) tech at the time, and the 360 was the ONLY option console wise, not talking about high end PC's, then again little kids probably know next to nothing about high end PC's and wouldn't have asked for that anyways.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

I'm siding with LV on this one with one point of contention. I don't outright blame consoles, I blame this generation of consoles and the new console owners of this generation.

Like Ben said, previous console generations had great diversity in their genres but then again, I think a lot of that has to do with the owners of those consoles vs the owners of these. (New owners that is)

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Ben,

Sorry I didn't clarify. I was referring to this generation. The PS1 and PS2 have given me my favorite gaming thanks to all the RPGs and Adventure games.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

I redact my statement, I completely agree with LV on this one.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Oh, well, that makes more sense. 😉

But the trend seems to be blind to platform, in my eyes.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

that is the same argument that the original xbox fans used to make about the ps2. sony won that gen by winning over the hardcore gamers, and with its stellar game line up. the success of the ps1 carried over, too. it wasn't just little boys picking up the 360, it was the hardcore gamers. the same people who owned, and loved their ps2's that jumped ship over to the 360 for whatever reason. sony had all the momentum going into this gen, so what happened?

i blame the $600 price tag, and the poorly handled multiplats. it wasn't just becuase the 360 was out first. there was an unbelivable amount of negative buzz around the ps3 early this gen. that, combined with the price scared many in the ps2 crowd who then jumped ship. so much so the 360 survived the rrod disaster virtualy unscathed. it was only when we saw the price drop to $299 did the ps3 show any signs of life. by then it was too late, and the 360 has consistently outsold the ps3 in na since. almost by a 2:1 margin.

it's a little more complicated than being first, and mommy buying them 360's. sony's doing better now, but i think their loss of marketshare has contributed to this shooter craze. japanese developers covet the na market so badly they have thrown out their traditional way of making games so we see less diversity.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 3/30/2011 5:43:21 PM

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

I enjoy my FPS's but a lot of shooter bling bling has dumbed down gaming somewhat!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

___________
___________
9 years ago

no offense ben, but that shows how little about the PC you know!
yea, all the mainstream titles are shooters but your forgetting all the indie titles it gets.
PC is the only platform these days that actually gets a decent flow of puzzle and platforming games.
puzzle games especially are very rarely seen on consoles, but are popping up all the time on PC!
super meat boy to name one of my most recent favorites!
basic, simple, PISS HARD, elegant and fun at the same time!
one of those few games that manages to be ridiculously hard, but not frustrating, and somehow very rewarding!

wizzardofozzy
wizzardofozzy
9 years ago

Yeah but I would have to say that it started with the xbox and halo.

Am I the only one that saw it coming like years ago?Call of duty 3 said it all,for me(respawning enemies,the fast pace,multiplayer)that was the last console game I would buy.I put maybe fifteen minutes into it.

…ok maybe the move was partly because I was poor att and couldnt afford a ps3 but hey it worked out pretty good anyway,I found half-life2,gmod and battlefield.

Dont get me wrong,im still a huge sony fan,always will be.

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

You can't drown a man unless he gets near the water. Right now, I'm just splashing a little bit on like cologne.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Do you have any recommendations on colognes? I have been trying to find the right one but i can't find any that suits my taste.

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

Armani Attitude. It's heavenly

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Ok, thanks. I'll have to try it out then. How much is it by the way?

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

You can find a 1.7 for $40USD

I have a tonne of different colognes because I am a scent Wh0r3 so a 1.7 bottle lasts quite a while for me.


Last edited by coverton341 on 3/30/2011 5:07:45 PM

tes37
tes37
9 years ago

It was a stupid joke. I hate cologne, so I recommend not wearing any and using unscented deodorant.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

I don't mind wearing cologne.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Axe Twist

kraygen
kraygen
9 years ago

I wear axe too, but I wear phoenix.

DjEezzy
DjEezzy
9 years ago

I think that is a totally biased statement about consoles. Honestly let the shooters come and go. Thats what makes these action, rpg, rts and games like Heavy Rain so great. If every game were the same then we wouldn't have AAA titles. The action games wouldn't feel so fresh. The sandbox games wouldn't feel so overwhelmingly awesome. If we had too many action games then they'd start to feel stale and watered down. I enjoy my shooters and to be honest, nit picking about the auto aim is just being well… Nit Picky!!! I hardly notice it and it definitely doesn't detract from the main experience. The things people complain about sometimes just amazes me.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

do you ever get the feeling that pc gamers look down on us console gamers? like we stole the show unfairly somehow. they did all the work, and we get all the credit. that's the vibe i get.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 3/30/2011 5:50:43 PM

GuyverLT
GuyverLT
9 years ago

@Excelsior1
I agree but don't forget how allot of PC gamers constantly going on & on & on about how much better graphics are on PC like it's the important thing in gaming when it isn't.


Last edited by GuyverLT on 3/30/2011 7:40:55 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

I agree with what you say Guyver, but graphics sure has a huge focus on the consoles too. We just compare with the xbox instead, and of course the infamous multiplat discussion…


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/31/2011 2:22:38 AM

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

I'm drowning in to many great games. Which isn't a bad thing just wish I had more time to play.

just2skillf00l
just2skillf00l
9 years ago

Laxpro,

I like that perspective better. A drought of other game genres.

Shooters aren't the bad guys, but if I flipped over the chess board I would say that for every game that is released that's a shooter, that's one less RPG, or interactive drama, etc.

On a completely off-topic question…does anyone know what has happened to Ni no Kuni? Just fell off the radar. Haven't heard a thing since the announcement it was going into development.

ryu
ryu
9 years ago

never got into fps w/o mouse and keyboard,

in fact, never even touched it