John-ShepardWell, it was bound to happen.
The February NPD results are in and before we even bother with the monthly numbers, we should announce that Call of Duty: Black Ops is now the best-selling video game in US history: the sold number has hit 13.7 million. …anyway, moving on- after a 5% slip in January, things are looking up after February, when the industry enjoyed a 3% rise to hit $1.36 billion. Hardware was up the most; this category rose 10% to $466.9 million, with the Xbox 360 leading the way at 535,000 units (a February record). The Wii sold 454,000 and while Sony is not in the habit of releasing hardware sales numbers, NPD analyst Anita Frazier confirmed that all three consoles "realized a unit sales increase over last February." So that's something.
As for software, that side fell 8% to $637.4 million. Black Ops was once again atop the list, while Capcom's Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds landed (perhaps surprisingly) in the runner-up slot, followed by the Wii exclusive, Just Dance 2 . NBA 2K11 and Dead Space 2 rounded out the top five, and we notice Bulletstorm and Killzone 3 coming in at seven and eight respectively. And here's Sony's statement, from SCEA Sr. Director of Corporate Communications, Patrick Seybold:
"NPD’s February numbers illustrate continued growth of the entire PlayStation 3 ecosystem, including increases in hardware, software and peripheral sales. PlayStation’s exclusive titles, combined with stereoscopic 3D and precision motion controlled gaming, continue to resonate with consumers, and we look forward to furthering the momentum with MotorStorm Apocalypse and SOCOM 4 next month."
The fact that Killzone 3 is #8 and CoD:BO is #1 isn't surprising, but it still depresses me that such a crap game (CoD) sells so much better than such an excellent game (KZ).
Last edited by Lairfan on 3/10/2011 9:37:38 PM
If MW2 sold that many I would understand, but black ops, wtf?
That is a pretty crazy figure for what is a mediocre game.
Yeah that game sucks…got bored after 1 day of play
I gave it back after 1 hour of play, too glitchy.
Personally, I'd like to have seen KZ3 at number one, but it's placement is nothing to sneeze at either.
I also think it's a good point by Sony that their eco-system isn't so clearly polarized into a couple classifications. It's great to see games like Heavy Rain, GoW, LBP, Infamous, GT, and KZ3 draw in solid sales; yet, they're all clearly different experiences. Which is demonstrative of how healthy Sony is when considering the breadth of their offerings. Many eggs in several baskets.
Currently, I'm enjoying Lost Odyssey a lot, and it's too bad that the 360 audience didn't give the game the kind of loving a PS userbase would've more than likely have given it, like Alan Wake.
That's like the 100th time you've snuck Lost Odyssey into a post. Are you looking for props/ thumbs up because you decided to play a game that's three years old and that any gamer with even the slightest interest in the best genre of gaming would have already owned and finished by now? There. You got one on me. And as far as 360 owners not appreciating it, that may be true but the PS community has overlooked their fair share of gems ,as well. Okami, Folklore, Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls etc. etc. etc. and PS3 owners haven't exactly welcomed great titles like Eternal Sonata with open arms, either. Some times great games don't sell, no matter the system. But, hey, this IS the internet, so logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.
Actually one day I'd still like to play Lost Odyssey. As soon as a 360 is for sale at the price its worth though.
"That's like the 100th time you've snuck Lost Odyssey into a post. Are you looking for props/ thumbs up because you decided to play a game that's three years old and that any gamer with even the slightest interest in the best genre of gaming would have already owned and finished by now?"
No hostility huh?
PorkChop: Do you even have a point? What was the point of that? And PS3 owners supported Demon's Souls and Valkyria Chronicles quite well, and same goes for 3D Dot Game Heroes.
Sounds like a desperate attempt to defend the 360 userbase, which doesn't even make any sense, considering all Temjin said was that he liked the game.
@PorkChopGamer
That was knida an unnecessary post homie. Like seriously I see if he was just down right bashing the 360 but he wasn't so there is no need for you to get so defensive.
"That's like the 100th time you've snuck Lost Odyssey into a post. "
I have to admit you got me there. I love the game so far so it's first on my mind. But hey, I found a way to work it into the topic, eh?
"Some times great games don't sell, no matter the system."
And I agree, but not in the case of Lost Odyssey. When this game was unveiled it took center stage during an E3 presentation with plenty of hype and exposure. It had notorious FF devs behind the quality game. This should have been enough to have kicked this game up into platinum hits status easily. I have no doubt that if Sony had Mistwalker on their side marketing nearly the same game to a PS crowd it would've been much better received.
So to connect this to mine and Sony's point, something like Bulletstorm sells better on 360 because their eco-system is much more shooter saturated. Or in other words, less balanced in gamer interests compared to Sony's.
When I clicked onto that link and read the comments from the teenagers with the horrid grammar, I realized that I'm too old for the Internet; it's a young punk's domain. I'm sick of these little boys who comment on the major video game sites.
Most of them also probably play Black Ops.
Ugh…Black Ops should be number #8. I recommend Killzone 3 to one of my friends on my list, he said nah because her heard it was just like every other shooter while he was playing Black Ops. O.o
It is a damn shame Killzone 3 is only at number 8. I thought it would have been much higher… what has happened to PlayStation owners? I will help the numbers when I finally get around to purchasing my copy!
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
My only guess is a lot of them were turned off my the controls in the second and didn't get the memo about the revamped controls in 3. Either that or people are losing their minds. Which seems plausible too. 😉
Plus I am sure the biased reviews didn't help. Too many people look at the score and think "8? that's not a good score". Sucks too considering the game should have been a 9 at least.
I find it awkward that Sony doesn't release it's hardware sales numbers. It makes them look like the embarrassed quiet kid in the class. Speak up and let's hear what you've done.
Yeah that was strange, last I heard NPD was the one shutting down units sold numbers. And now they do again but without Sony? *Conspiracy mode on*
Once Sony does that price drop at E3, maybe they will be more open to announce their numbers. Then again, all MS has to look forward to are sales numbers because they have no games other than a Halo remake, Gears Of War 3 and every multi-platform FPS they overpaid to promote to their lemmings. English-speaking video gamers love shooting people and aliens and very little else as well as swearing every second word.
Ouch for KZ3. Just ouch. What is wrong with people?
I guess if you're going to play a stale FPS, which KZ3 and COD BOTH are, you might as well play the one everyone else is playing.
Relax your hostility Mr. Power Ranger, if a person is gonna play an FPS they might as well play the one with cutting edge tech versus the one that's basically a 4 year old game reskinned.
"I guess if you're going to play a stale FPS, which KZ3 and COD BOTH are, you might as well play the one everyone else is playing."
Says the guy who still plays Dynasty Warriors.
Cutting edge visuals? Yes. Cutting edge gameplay? Not by a longshot. Pretty doesn't translate into sales. And there's no hostility. Just my honest assessment of why one sells more than the other.
People just don't buy as many games as they should. They buy a PS3, they go with the flow, and pick up the shooter that all their friends have.
In a perfect gaming world, there'd be 40 million copies of certain games being sold on day one.
Yup, Musou is and, more than likely, will always be a guilty pleasure of mine. Not sure why that should in any way impair my judgement of completely different games and genres, but you seem to have a wild hair that it does. How about this? I'll continue to buy/play/finish different types of games and remain diverse and informed and you can continue to make 'intelligent' observations about games you haven't played. Oh and before you say it, uh, 'duurrrrrr' and *facepalm*. If I've missed any other little useful nuggets you repeat ad nauseum, you have my sincerest apologies.
Maybe because it's evidence of your abysmal taste in games?
Just a observation. Oh and "That's like the 100th time you've boasted about how diverse you are in a post. Are you looking for props/ thumbs up because you decide to play mediocre and stale games that any gamer with even the slightest interest good games would have already pushed to the way side because of how stale the franchise has become?"
And yet, somehow, Killzone 3, Black Ops, and Fist of the North Star can coexist in my collection for the time I am in the mood to play either of them. As far as my diversity, that's just a plain fact. No boasting. You think following reviews and owning strictly hyped/9.0 titles makes you a great gamer. I think owning those hyped titles AND owning games that I want to experience myself, reviews be damned, makes me a great gamer. Just a difference of opinion/.
Nope, just makes the gamer who spends his money more wisely.
PorkChop… Killzone 3 may not be that innovative, but it is still a great experience I think… and visually you can't fault it. Thank goodness it has both, great visuals and great gameplay…
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
I'm sorry, I must've missed the last FPS that was "innovative."
Just for the record; Killzone 3 has been a revelation for me. It introduced me to the PS Move (total game changer), but even if it didn't support the Move, it's far from being a stale FPS. Your face is a stale FPS!
@ Porkchop
Don't waste you're time. You made the unspeakable offense of talking negatively about a PS3 exclusive. You're now considered a "troll" within the PSX community.From now on your opinions don't matter and you will receive an excessive amount of "thumbs down".
@Jimmy
Last I checked it was a conversation with Jawknee. Not the entire PSXE community. You're the one spouting anti-psxe hate the last couple days. Nevermind the fact that it's completely baseless. In case you didn't notice, PCG started out the convo with lots of histility.
Anyways, I'm ok with PCG thinking KZ3 is stale, but first I'd like him to point me towards an FPS that isn't. Then I'll respect his opinion. Unless of course, he simply doesn't like FPS's. Then it just means he isn't as diverse as he claims… which means all his posting so far is bogus!
So uh… PCG… what IS an innovative FPS?
And Jimmy, got anything constructive to contribute for once? Surely you're more than a mass of opinionated website hate. I mean… heaven fobid people who frequent a Playstation site prefer Playstation exclusives! Imagine that!
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Jimmy is smelling more and more like a rotten troll with every comment. Seriosuly, if you dislike this community so much, why so you continue to post?
jimmy: Looks to me like the only one causing problems is YOU. All you ever do is whine about how nobody can voice their opinion, when everyone is merely disagreeing and explaining why.
Nobody is flaming anyone, and nobody is being uncivil. Sounds to me like you just want everyone to agree with someone because they're "against the grain" and go, "oh yeah, you're definitely right about that; we're all biased morons."
Knock it off. Either contribute to a discussion or don't post.
As I've mentioned before I've been coming to your website for over a year now. I recently just opened an account to start posting/discussing on the stories you post. I really enjoy read the editorials and reports from this website. I enjoy reading different people's opinions on different topics and seeking people's advise, especially Underdog and Ben. You both generally are very well spoken (written?) and seem to have a great passion for your hobby. That's cool to me. For the record, I have never posted or had a "username" on any other video game website, so that's something you should feel slightly proud in, Ben. That this is the first time I've wanted to openly discuss/debate with others on a website.
However, in the time I've been posting I can't help but notice that there is an overwhelming amount of anomosity towards people who "go against the grain" in terms of loving and worshipping anything and everything "Playstation". There are a particular few that always seem to pop up when this happens. Now I own an Xbox360 and just love playing games in general. So there are some posts I can over look, but the general amount of fanboy hate that a small few spew out can be quite unbearable. And believe me, I get that its a Playstation website and that obviously people are going to be biased toward the PS3, but sometimes it gets ridiculous.
Jawknee, you in particular are quick to "bash" or insult anyone that would dare speak negatively against a Sony exclusive. You flat out were trying to dismiss porkchop's opinion by trying to backhandly insult him about liking dynasty warriors. And I've seen you do it numerous other times. I'm sorry for lumping the entire PSX community in my post, I certainly didn't mean that. But it seems that the same few regular posters will come to his aid and suddenly its a gang-up sesh on the guy with different opinion.
You're quick to tell people to "knock it off", Ben. But the blatant insults from the people with the "popular opinion" goes unrepremanded. Hardly seems fair. People aren't "merely disagreeing", Jawknee has made it his business to insult, dismiss, and *facepalm* anyone "that goes against the grain". So if thats how its going to be than maybe I will stop posting and visiting your site.
"You flat out were trying to dismiss porkchop's opinion by trying to backhandly insult him about liking dynasty warriors."
WRONG! Read his posts again. You are obviously over looking who started with the hostility as you always do. Now once again, if you dislike the community so much, why continue to post? You haven't contribute anything to these threads except constant whining about how others are being uncivil or calling names. I called you a troll because you are acting like a troll. I call like I see it. If you don't like it than too bad. I recall your first post on this site, you started out by calling us "pathetic" if I remember for holding a different opinion than yours. How big of a hypocrite can you be? Shameful, the amount of projection you're throwing onto me and others around here.
Like I always do? Was he being blunt about how he thinks KZ3 is stale? Yea, he sure was. Was he being "hostile". I didn't think so. You are blinded by your constant need to defend certain things that I don't think you realize what you're saying, dude.
Maybe you should take your own advice and re-read my post and not over look the fact that I listed all the reasons why I ENJOY COMING TO THIS WEBSITE. People like you, actually mostly you are ruining it for me, however. I never said "I hate this place" or whatever else you're swawking about. I enjoy debating with people with different opinions so long as they don't insult or dismiss, which you almost always to do me and others. My problem is the fact that Ben will tell me to "stop spewing hate" but nothing will be said to the people with the popular opinion that throw around insults.
And by calling me a troll, you're only proving me right about the insults.
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Maybe not "hate" but a whole lot of whining. What ever you say though hypocrite. You come around here, start off your debut by calling some of us "pathetic" and "weird" for holding a certain opinion and you expect things to be civil form there on out? Who doesn't know what who is saying?
@Jawk
I was paging through some other threads re-reading some articles and looking throuhg past posts, etc. And with the exception of the 3 times or so I read Jimmy upset at the apparent bias he perceived, he does have some good insights.
So I wouldn't consider him "trolling" so much. IMO, despite having differing opinions from him on some things, he is the kind of poster you would want on this site. And I'm not just saying that because he complimented me. :p Just in comparison to others, just by his one response on this thread alone, you have to admit he at least responds intelligently to what we actually say, and he even took back the generalization! Something a few unmentionables would never do. :s And we wish they would! My suggestion is to let this topic drop and start fresh! I'm sure you can think of at least 1 member on this site you didn't initially get along with that now you get along with just fine, right? 😉
@Jimmy
I'm of the thought that if you want to put down a PS3 exclusive on a PS3 site, that's fine to express opinion and all, but it's wise to be extremely tactful in how you do it, since, unsurprisingly, fans will be quick to defend their title with equal or greater bluntness. PCG probably could have used more tact. I certainly wouldn't go onto an XBOX site and try to claim bluntly that Gears or Halo isn't as good as other games. lol (Both I think are good, actually, but just painting a picture.)
I dunno… If you go to a Playstation site, and put down something Playstation, fine, but you need to be prepared to be ganged up on. The people who are indifferent won't say anything. Only the people who feel strongly will. And that's why it can feel like it's "the whole community". Nobody ever replies forcefully with a "I THINK THAT GAME IS PRETTY OK, YEAH!" lol
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Fair enough Underdog. Not every post he has made has been "trollish". Just his very first comment and the few in the last few threads. I retract my "he's a troll" statements and replace them with "he has exhibited trollish behavior."
It's fine if he wants to express his opinion and not everything he says is wrong, offensive or whatever but if he's going to start out by calling people "pathetic" and "weird" then cries about the lack of civility, I find that tremendously hypocritical and there is nothing that bothers me more than a hypocrite.
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Okay, everyone calm down.
Jawknee, I don't consider Jimmy a troll, although you're right in saying he didn't start out on the right foot. So just lay off him for a while; we'll see how that works.
jimmy, I know what you're saying. But you have to remember something- this is a PlayStation-oriented site. If you'd like, feel free to head over to a Microsoft-oriented website, and watch what happens if you call Halo a "stale shooter" (as PorkChop called KZ3 here). Go right ahead. And after all the flaming, personal abuse, and a half-dozen death threats in your mailbox, you'll realize people treat everyone with a lot more respect than normal around here.
I have no problem with you. I do, however, have a problem with people making the accusation that nobody is allowed to voice different opinions at PSXE, because that's entirely untrue. Nobody ever gets flamed for that, and there are always agreeable, civilized debates amongst members. Hardly everyone agrees all the time.
One word: WINNING!
@ Underdog
Thank you for at least understanding where I'm coming from! I think sometimes people that post on this website can be ridiculous (that _______ fellow comes to mind) and I automatically can be lumped into that pile, which is very unfortunate. And I understand completely about the fact that this is a Playstation only website and I should expect that kind of reaction.
You also make a very valid argument about the indifferent people not commenting. Thats something I should've thought off as I used to do the same thing before I opened an account and started posting. The ironic thing is I'm currently b***s deep in Killzone 3's multiplayer after beating the SP twice, so it's a game that I thoroughly enjoy. I just have such a hard time watching people get torn to shreds because their opinions differ. I honestly think its a vicious cycle, I know its part of the reason why I come across as arugmentive, because I'm expecting that type of response out of Jawknee and/or others.
@ Ben, fair enough. Like I said I retracted my "PSX community" statement. I unfairly lumped everyone together, which was a result of the past few threads I've read. As Underdog pointed out this is probably a result of people with lesser opinions on the topic avoiding posting altogether. Like I said I have been a reader of your website far longer than a poster so I'm sorry if my "debut" got me off on the wrong foot with some of you. I still believe that there isn't much of a reason to think that KZ3 was the victim of "bias and BS review scores" but I don't feel like getting into that. I love the game, I personally would've graded it a 9 or higher, but hey thats just my opinion.
I'm willing to put the whole topic at hand behind me and not hold any hard feelings.
Peace
And Jawknee,
I feel as though you think that I'm a "troll" because you're quick to go on the attack with anything I post that you don't agree with. You simply don't comment on my other posts that you agree with. You either don't notice them or don't care to comment. Its ironic that you consider me a troll when you are drawn to arguments yourself. You def contribute to the community in other ways, but you are always the first one out there to throw around an insult or dismiss someone else who you don't agree with.
But like I said I have no problem moving on from any of this. If you do, then so be it.
The internet.. the drama..
Jimmy, I only took issue with your comments that seemed "trollish". As I said, I retract calling you a troll. My apologies. My issue wasn't that we have disagreements. Disagreement is fine and it can be fun. I took issue with you calling some of us "pathetic" and "weird" right out of the gate. Why would you expect civil discourse from there on out when you, yourself kicked off your comments by being uncivil? Had you not done that, then proceeded to lecture me about civility, these conversations wouldn't have ended up where they did.
In the case of others that will remain unnamed, they have a history not of simply disagreeing but being disagreeable for the sole purpose of stirring up controversy and hostility. That is the reason I may seem brash when responding to them. These people don't get "torn into shreds" simply for having a different opinion. It's the way they arrogantly go about it. As a long time member here, I have learned who these people are and it's almost always predictable at this point. Disagreeing is fine. Being disagreeable is what I take issue with.
Anyhoo, I also have no problem moving away from this. Water under the bridge as far as I am concerned. 🙂
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Crazy numbers there? Congrats Treyarch, congrats. Now if we could get an updated game engine for your next title, that would be extremely appreciated! Oh yeah, and more stable multiplayer action too! You know while I'm at it a different take on guns as well like futuristic elements or something new to counterbalance the same ol' from year to year. But don't mind me though cuz I'm just a naive little fan.