DICE has the Frostbite 2 engine for Battlfield 3 , so might Infinity Ward have a new engine for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 , which they are rumored to be developing?

Nope. When someone mentioned on Robert Bowling's Twitter page that "someone just needs to spend the $ and construct a new engine for the CoD franchise…ground up," Bowling replied: "That would be counterproductive. An engine takes years and years to develop and get right." For a frame of reference, check out the new Battlefield 3 gameplay , which shows off that aforementioned Frostbite 2 engine. In contrast, all the CoD entries since CoD2 in 2005 have run on the same engine, although modifications and other upgrades have been obvious. We all assume Infinity Ward is cranking away on MW3 and we expect an official announcement soon, but if they want to be competitive with DICE and EA, maybe a new engine will be necessary at some point… The CoD fans don't seem to notice or care that each entry has been using the same engine but then again, both IW and Treyarch have done some pretty amazing things with that piece of technology.

But uh…maybe that Twitter poster has a point. Maybe if Activision didn't have to put out a CoD title every year, someone could make a new engine…

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NotGoofinAround
NotGoofinAround
9 years ago

This is why capitalism and our greedy money-market economy is destroying gaming (along with everything else). It just isn't worth it for these companies to sit on something for a few years and make it great. Why would they anyway, if you make the greatest game ever then nobody will want to buy the next lump of crap-o-la they shovel into our faces.

OPHIDIAN
OPHIDIAN
9 years ago

NGA:

Your talking about the ideal world where developers forgo interest in profit and try to create the best possible game within their ability. However, you got to understand, IW, Dice etc are all companies, businesses, they exist to make a profit.

I mean, who would pay the IW team while this extraordinary engine is being made?

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Oh knock it off. Don't blame capitalism. Blame Activision and the zombies who continue to buy their crap games. Capitalism didn't force Activations hand. It's simply a tool to grow money and make a profit. You sound like a marxist with that "it's teh capitalism's fault" claptrap. If it wasn't for capitalism we wouldn't have games in the first place.

booze925
booze925
9 years ago

go back to the soviet union and play in the dirt instead, Karl Marx

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

That's right! We should rally together our proletariat peers and stand united to rise up and overthrow those "evil" bourgeois butt-faced-capitalistic-pigs who make us do all their dirty work!

=p

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

In Soviet Russia: Engine builds you!

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

IN SOVIET RUSSIA…GAME PLAYS YOU!

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

LOL @ World!!!

Your posts are always good for a laugh.

Ishkur
Ishkur
9 years ago

Hi, PSXextreme, 1st time comment! Just want to say I don't believe people are evil, I do believe systems make people behave accordingly, so yeah I'm with you NGA 🙂 Whether it's this or that, one thing can be blamed over all, and that's our lust for money, and the bigger lust the people with more money have..

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Ishkur and Notgoofinaround

Imagine if IW, Dice, etc. had sharholders to be responsible to! Man, imagine how many games would be released th…. o wait….

Yeah… I suppose they do have alot of people to be responsible to.

You guys can blame the human condition and the lust for money or that fanciful thing called capitalism, but don't forget, people have always been wanting more. It isn't a new idea with capitalism that just sprung up in the last 2 centuries… *rolls eyes*

If you're really mad, blame the people who settle for mediocrity and buy the game year in/year out. Your thoughts on capitalism are porous because you act like people have no choice but to invest in a new game with them every year. We, the people, have the right to vote with our wallets. And guess what? If most people continue to buy it, maybe we're in the minority believing it's only mediocre. And if that's the case, the people have spoken in which case IW has done nothing but deliver what the people want.

I dunno… I just see so much wrong with your undergraduate thinking. It's much akin to a second year undergrad. (not an actual graduate or even someone who's never been to university…)

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

"I don't believe people are evil"

Riiiight, it was the "systems" that forced Hilter, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Mummar Qadaffi, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jung IL, Saddam, etc etc to inflict horror, suffering and death upon hundreds of millions of people through out history. Gotcha!

/

Ishkur
Ishkur
9 years ago

Sorry in advance, this will be a long post mostly due to quoting 🙂 (also sry if I get some words wrong, ingles ma 3rd language!)

@Underdog15
"Imagine if IW, Dice, etc. had sharholders to be responsible to! Man, imagine how many games would be released th…. o wait….

Yeah… I suppose they do have alot of people to be responsible to."
So they release alot of games, which is good for people who want quantity, but I like quality, so there.. I don't like to see the same game in a new box every month, I don't like to see creativity being held back due to time constraints, budget or what have you.. I'm sorry to bring this up, but the truth is, I've watched a movie called Zeitgeist(you may have heard of it), and I am convinced, that all good would come out of having a world free of money.. I'm not here to debate how that would work, I don't know, all I know is we'd be better off.. That's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, no?

"You guys can blame the human condition and the lust for money or that fanciful thing called capitalism, but don't forget, people have always been wanting more. It isn't a new idea with capitalism that just sprung up in the last 2 centuries… *rolls eyes*"
Of course it isn't anything new, but that doesn't make it less outdated, does it? Or more OK. Does it?

"If you're really mad, blame the people who settle for mediocrity and buy the game year in/year out. Your thoughts on capitalism are porous because you act like people have no choice but to invest in a new game with them every year. We, the people, have the right to vote with our wallets. And guess what? If most people continue to buy it, maybe we're in the minority believing it's only mediocre. And if that's the case, the people have spoken in which case IW has done nothing but deliver what the people want."
I'm definitely not mad, I choose to ignore the money hungry companies, and try to buy games with thought put into it.. Absolutely! And there you go and put words into my mouth, I never said people don't have a saying into what comes out, and in what quality, all I'm saying is that companies have the incentive of selling it to us.. Now what does that mean? Does that mean they want to make the best product we can get? Given the fact there's the option of DLC, a new in the series coming out next year, and in the case of the story, not wanting to make a new, better engine, because it costs more than they could be making without.. The answer is no, of course not. But after those factors, yeah sure.. They'll make it good! And remember, DICE is only doing theirs, to compete and perhaps overthrow COD.. Do you see a pattern here? They're driven by money, not by wanting to make the best thing they can do for us, but by our wallets.. 🙂

"I dunno… I just see so much wrong with your undergraduate thinking. It's much akin to a second year undergrad. (not an actual graduate or even someone who's never been to university…)"
Good to know I don't sound indoctrinated, thanks!

@Jawknee
Riiiight, it was the "systems" that forced Hilter, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Mummar Qadaffi, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jung IL, Saddam, etc etc to inflict horror, suffering and death upon hundreds of millions of people through out history. Gotcha!"
The fact that people have the ability go get power is inherently evil, isn't it? Get the wrong guy/s up there, and you're screwed.. And the money system allows that, that's all I'm saying.. It's all connected ooOOooOoo…! xD

Thumbs up if you love video games <3 :*


Last edited by Ishkur on 3/3/2011 3:59:49 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

You are one confused individual. When children are born, you do not have to teach them to lie or steal. Human nature is flawed at it's core and because of thinking like yours, evil men are allowed to commit the evil acts they do while decent men stand by and watch.

Evil doesn't exist in man? Tell that to the boys Jeffery Dohmer drugged, raped, murdered and ate. Tell that to the people who ended being Ed Gaine's lamp shade. Those evil men didn't commit the horror they did because of money or power. You points would be sad if they actually made sense.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/3/2011 5:54:44 PM

Ishkur
Ishkur
9 years ago

I'm definitely not making myself clear enough on my points, and I'm sorry for that.. I'd like you to go watch the Zeitgeist movies, and at least see what I'm trying to say, but I'm pretty sure you've got your mind set..
One thing though, I'm fully aware of extremely messed up people around the world, and I didn't mean that these things that they do aren't evil, but they weren't born that way.. Brought up in another environment they'd be different than what they were..
*waits for the "you're defending these monsters, blasphemy!" aka the flame
(no im not)

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Ishkur
I was certainly not putting words into your mouth, nor were you the only one that I was addressing.

I, also, have grown tired of the CoD franchise, as many on this site can attest to, and I most certainly prefer to buy games of quality, which again, many on this site can attest to.

I was not even remotely arguing that Activision is my favorite company or that you should support them NOR DID I EVER SAY IT MAKES IT LESS OUTDATED!

The most frustrating thing is that you completely misread my whole post. I was merely addressing the fact that this phantom evil corporation mumbo-jumbo was silly. That Activision behaves like a business, and that the only way to change that is for everyone to buy TRUE quality over what is popular. We're on the same page dude!

Additionally, my POINT that I made…. well…. was that if people keep buying it up, then perhaps it is because they are given what they want. Why would you change a product that keeps being purchased? Why would you refine something that gets eaten up annually like a religious feast whether it's made by a gourmet chef or a McDonalds line cook?

Of course I would prefer refinement. I'm constantly on this site complaining about the poor multiplayer reliability found in CoD. I'm overjoyed when I write about how my friends have converted to KZ3!

I was, quite clearly, justifying Activision's actions, not as artists in gaming, but as a business who has a responsibility to their shareholders. I was pointing out the flawed logic of the "evil corporation". I was not trying to say CoD was some AAA title.

In fact, I would argue, that the parts you quoted from me, were the LEAST important parts of my post and were likely just the parts you wanted to address. And to me, that is frustrating, and a little bit indoctrinated.

Look… no developer in their right mind (aside from SquareEnix…) would stray from a recipe that works. I agree that it hurts the industry as a whole and limits progression, AT TIMES, but it's not like there aren't high quality AAA titles. If we're going to buy the next annual cash-cow title they throw at us, guess what they're gonna keep making? That's right.

You can't blame the corporations for that sort of business model. Blame the masses that support it. THAT is my point. On everything else, we agree.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/3/2011 7:26:40 PM

NotGoofinAround
NotGoofinAround
9 years ago

— Edited by Admin.

Note: Now you're LINKING to your baseless propaganda crap? Right. Not here.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Even linking to it doesn't change the fact he doesn't answer anyone.

Ishkur
Ishkur
9 years ago

@Underdog15
Some notes about your post.

1. You're right, you weren't only replying to me, overlooking on my part whoops.

2. Be reminded, this is only my opinion. No need to get frustrated, just because we don't share the same views 🙂 I'm sure you'll agree on this; as long as games make a huge profit as they do nowadays, we will have people in power telling the developers how to make it most profitable – a given. Now what I was trying to get across, was that if it didn't make a huge profit, and people still made games without wanting to make a profit, but with all the benefits of advancing technology, they would try and make them as good as possible. It's an abstract huge longshot, I know, but I just wanted to throw it out there in support of NGA since he was getting heat! 😛

3. I'm glad we're on the same page, but I kind of knew that. I didn't misread your post, I know what you tried to say, and I don't dismiss that. All I'm saying is that it's wrong 🙂 Not you, but the fact that games, and basically everything is controlled with profit in mind.. 🙂 It might be right in some ways, but it's more wrong IMO.

4. The problem I see with the notion that, if everyone just buys intelligently we'll have better games, is that the vast majority is not informed or just doesn't care.. It's like with Coca Cola, Nestle or oil for that matter, people still buy it, even though it might stem from underpaid workers, or in the case for oil, not being infinite and causing damage to our environment some say.. A bit off track there, but you get my point 🙂

5. I actually quoted your whole post 😉

6. I'm for both refinement and sticking to what they know, as far as developing games goes, what I'm not for is holding back due to constraints. That's all 🙂 So we agree!

7. Here's where we disagree, I wouldn't blame either the corporations nor the masses that support them, I'll rather blame the money system for allowing, encouraging and rewarding it.. Yeah, it's invisible, and yeah there doesn't seem to be anything that can change it, so it's easier to blame people, but they're not the real culprit in my opinion! 😛

somethingrandom
somethingrandom
9 years ago

YEAH! let's switch to communism so we can never move past the current generation of consoles as the state will have no reason to make progress in gaming. GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!! Thumb up like 10 times!

somethingrandom
somethingrandom
9 years ago

Ishkur, you don't realize that your education is your drawback. I'm sorry to say that you have been indoctrinated into being a poor political thinker for life. Typically it is the more educated people who are most ignorant because they have been taught an opinion and don't do any of their own analyzing! I promise that any trade made between two people (fuguratively in this case Activision and the consumer) can benefit both! You socialist guys think that someone is always losing in every trade. Do yourself a favor and THINK!

OPHIDIAN
OPHIDIAN
9 years ago

DICE have felt the need to upgrade their engine in order to compete with COD: MW (hate Treyarch's outings). IW are doing just fine without upgrading: why fix something that isn't broken?

I played BBC2 and was surprised by the lacklustre graphics, but then again Black Ops was a mess in my opinion too.

Bugzbunny109
Bugzbunny109
9 years ago

So you think it is fine that IW can keep releasing games with little to no sort of significant improvement every year, while Dice updates their engine to release a fresh product? Have you seen BF3? COD could not even dream of its graphics.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Yea BC2 isn't the best graphical presentation but it is pretty much a sandbox shooter.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

What is the difference between BC2 & Battlefield?

I don't know much about both

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Bad Company seems more fictionalized while Battlefield seems to be based more on the real world military.

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
9 years ago

When their goal is to rehash the same game every year with minimal changes then yes, a new engine is counterproductive.
If, however, your goal is to make the best game you can, you should be pouring resources into making the best engine you can.

It just reinforces in my mind that Activision takes no pride in their own work, they care just about sales numbers. This is why i generally stick to exclusives. MGS4 would undoubtedly sell tons more copies if it were cross-platform, but theres a certain level of quality that can be reached only by focusing on one set of hardware.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed, this is confirmation that CoD is now little more than a military version of Madden with an annual rehash and roster update.

ColTater
ColTater
9 years ago

I just see it as them being lazy sacks of poo. They don't care about the fans/customers, its all about the greenbacks. They basically are saying we don't want to spend the money on R&D when in comes to developing a new engine because all the SHEEPLE already are familiar and comfortable with the presentation style of COD and changing it could jepardize its ongoing success. This just really irks me. Seems like regression in an industy that strives for original and innovative IP's and new ideas.

Oxvial
Oxvial
9 years ago

Not bad, they are giving to those FPS zombies what they want.

Am I wrong? well sorry just stop buying their games so much.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

So, here we have the biggest game this generation, and all they want to do is offer another rinse and repeat of the original Modern Warfare? You can add this to a long list of reasons on why I don't play COD anymore.

shootu
shootu
9 years ago

You stopped playing cause you suck. There are lots of lego games that im sure you are really good at.

JMO_INDY
JMO_INDY
9 years ago

A new COD entry in itself is counter productive to the industry as a whole IMO.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Indeed my friend. Indeed.

TheCrazyMerc
TheCrazyMerc
9 years ago

Battlefield 3!

Douchebaguette
Douchebaguette
9 years ago

Call of Duty has pretty much become the McDonalds of gaming…

Though fast food has it's differences. Like Guitar Hero, Activision's prized possession will crash sooner or later. Well perhaps progressively.

I have to ponder though: what if each game developed by Treyarch are perceived as scapegoats by Darth Kotick in the pursuit of Modern Wearfare's success / stall to it's inevitable downfall?

Meh.

booze925
booze925
9 years ago

i find ONE fatal flaw in your logic…
while McDonalds is whatever you say it is… its still more popular than the cross and shows no signs of slowing down and not about 2 crash sooner or l8er. so… yeah.

Douchebaguette
Douchebaguette
9 years ago

Well I did say fast food has it's differences =P.

Sanji_Himura
Sanji_Himura
9 years ago

@booze925: As a relative of someone who buys these garbage games year after year, I would say that the fast food analogy is perfectly valid for two good reasons.

1. COD is a popular game, regardless of the hatred spewed by PS3 owners over DLC. The timed exclusivity deal should make clear that Activision is having COD developed with PC360 owners in mind and just simply porting it over to the PS3. They see the PS3 as a way of earning extra money at little to no risk to the publisher.

2. In the early days of McDonalds, you could NOT order a hamburger without onions(according to Heavyweights documentary series). You had to take it as they come. I remember my boss and I having these discussions when we are eating McD's that his hamburgers came with cheese when he was lactose intolerant. I say that to highlight a problem with COD. They do nothing to improve the hit detection and all these other common problems inherint in the experience, and yet they still sell.

Simcoe
Simcoe
9 years ago

@Sanji_Himura I'm not sure I'd call the PS3 version of CoD a port. I remember CoD4, the first Modern Warfare, being one of the first games (along with Burnout Paradise), that looked and performed identical on the PS3 as the xbox. I do agree that it is a genre that goes over well with the xbox crowd. And with reference to PC players, I do remember the big hullabaloo when Activision announced that all multi-player PC games had to be played on their servers (though I don't know if that is still the same with Black Ops).

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

LOL! Riiiight, because it's still 2006.

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

Die!

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

I've giving up on COD for good. Activision can't ever seem to get the online to ever work right. Black Ops is a joke on the PS3. I'll stick with my Sony exclusives and many other titles that actually work online.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

You can't go wrong with a PS3 exclusive.

booze925
booze925
9 years ago

unless you buy haze
FACE

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Negative booze. I actually enjoyed Haze.

Godslim
Godslim
9 years ago

lol there are bad or average ps3 exclusives too ya know haze is a perfect example

somethingrandom
somethingrandom
9 years ago

You know, now that I think of it, in all of the games that I've ever played Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 had the best reliability and least connection issues. Oh how I'm loving the lag in Killzone 3. I thought the SMG's were useless until I saw their actual power on Botzone.

JSwayze
JSwayze
9 years ago

Modern Warfare 2.5 confirmed?

Haha…definitely not getting this

NotGoofinAround
NotGoofinAround
9 years ago

Imagine a world where these developers can actually work on their art instead of being pushed by a corporation into putting out crap. This is the result of maximizing profits and getting a bigger and better paycheck for themselves. This corporate capitalist machine is responsible for destroying the art of games and they don't really care about whether we will truly enjoy the product they just put it out and we keep buying it. This isn't my opinion it's a fact.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Yea, they are called Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, Insomniac, DICE, Kojima Productions just to name a few.

Stop being so dramatic drama queen. There ARE developers who care about their art. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge it. Activision isn't the only Publisher and Call of Duty isn't the only game.

AND…it is just your opinion. Not a very informed one at that.