Reading up on Jade Raymond's recent comments has really made me think: the industry continues to grow and expand, although it seems to have a definite expansion direction: multiplayer.

Raymond spoke about the emergence of social gaming and how the face of the industry has changed, and let's not forget that the two biggest game franchises – Call of Duty and World of Warcraft – are the most popular due to multiplayer. This is an entirely new phenomenon, although most just take it as par for the course these days; very few games hit store shelves without an online multiplayer option of some kind. That's why certain franchises that have always relied on the quality of a single-player campaign have fallen; it's why so many developers feel the need to either change or grow. And one thing really frightens us: the death of single-player. For some, it's just terrifying.

Realistically, that probably won't happen. Most all analysts and developers agree that the single-player experience won't disappear any time soon, and it remains crucial for the industry. But things are happening so quickly these days, the "distant future" may only be 10 years away. So fast forward and think- if every game went multiplayer tomorrow; if they could only be played online with other humans, what would be your reaction? I imagine some younger gamers, who basically only play online anyway, wouldn't mind in the slightest. They probably wouldn't even notice the loss. But older gamers certainly would…then again, it's a generation that has to disappear at some point, and later generations might not even know "single-player" video games ever existed.

Maybe it's just that one quote of Raymond's that strikes fear into my gaming heart: "it's more fun to play against humans." I really think that's subjective, and game genre does matter, but I also have a feeling I'm in the minority…so what do you say? You wake up in the morning and nothing you can buy will let you play alone. Just imagine…what would you think?

P.S. When answering the question, you're not allowed to assume you'll be playing with the girls in that picture.

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Radiohead
Radiohead
9 years ago

If this were to happen ill probaly give up gaming.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Indeed. I might not give up gaming 100%, but I would find a new hobby.

THEVERDIN
THEVERDIN
9 years ago

I would go to Gamefly and rent the games I could. When I was done I would quit gaming.

Note to Dev's you should pay attention to people that help feed your families.

LightShow
LightShow
9 years ago

i'm with radio. i'd quit buying new games.

Vitron
Vitron
9 years ago

That'll be painful. No just no. Dom't they dare let that happen.

Nice PS though…


Last edited by Vitron on 2/13/2011 9:49:29 PM

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
9 years ago

One of the most satisfying parts of a great game is the story, imo. Any RPG fan will agree 100%. The problem with online-centric games is that the single-player lacks a strong story and it ends up being full of plot holes or making the whole thing feel disjointed.
Thats not to say that games without stories are bad. Mario never had much of a story and i dont think anyone can say SMB3 isnt one of the best games ever made. But Mario doesnt pretend like the story is a huge part of the game. MW2's story is pretty bad, but the game keeps insisting that it is great.

Maybe its because i've been gaming since as long as i can remember, but i tend to associate online-centric games with less talented developers. There is very little difference between MW and MW2's online gameplay, yet thats what most people buy the game for. People effectively pay $60 for a giant map pack. Then i'll pick up a game like Uncharted 2 that is 100% better in every single aspect, yet sold tons less copies.

So i guess it comes down to the developers pride. Comparing MW to Uncharted again, MW has a much bigger budget, a much larger staff, and one of the biggest publishers in the world yet they still make a game that doesnt hold up to Uncharted 2 in any aspect. Could you be proud of that?
Yeah, CoD sells more and makes a ton of money, but Nickelback sells more records than Steve Vai, but that doesnt mean they have accomplished anything with their music.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Agreed. It takes real talent to make a flawless game with a compelling story, and significantly less talent to say "Here are your guns, here are your levels, now go shoot people and make your own fun."

Not that it can't be great to make your own fun in a game, that's the appeal of MP, but I find it to be a weaker form of digital entertainment.

Veitsknight
Veitsknight
9 years ago

What about Bioware's The Old Republic and NCSoft's Guild Wars? They are MMO's that have decent Stories. Bt id rather play single player games than MMOs.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Well, The Old Republic is not launched yet so we don't know how good it is, however being BioWare it should be pretty safe to assume it's good…!

556pineapple
556pineapple
9 years ago

Give me a game with a great single player campaign and multiplayer won't even cross my mind. I'll take the God of Wars and Mass Effects over the CoDs any day.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

thumbs up to you sir.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

… But what if you could get a ME where you also could meet other players, roleplayers, who are returning from a defeat trying to take over a base. You call him up on the radio and he express his defeat. He was short on doctors. You then think of how well covered you are with docs onboard your ship and you two then agree on joining your forces to help defeat his enemy. On your way to the destination you get to know this captains engineer, some exotic race that apparently likes you too.. And so the story continues…

My point is, you guys have to broaten your minds. Multiplayer tomorrow need not be what multiplayer on the ps3 is TODAY. Multiplayer on the ps3 has hardly started!


Last edited by Beamboom on 2/14/2011 2:10:39 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Beam, we have a long way to go to find the online world populated by civil thinkers who are willing to give up their right to be a complete ass in order to help you have a better "story experience"

coverton341
coverton341
9 years ago

Couldn't have said it better myself World.

When you introduce the human element to a story it is completely left up to where those humans want to take it and if they so choose, they can be complete tools about it and act like simple minded imbeciles.

When I play a game and I am looking for a good story, I want to be told an enthralling story and make choices and see the outcomes of MY choices, I don't really want to have other people interfere with a single player, story driven experience.

Now, on the other hand when I play a multiplayer game, I am looking for that human interaction and not necessarily wanting to have others involved with my story and don't want to impose what I think the story should be onto their game.

That's just my opinion though.


Last edited by coverton341 on 2/14/2011 11:41:02 AM

Gabriel013
Gabriel013
9 years ago

Beam, I'd still rather play with/against the AI.

I play games like I read. I want to pick it up when I want it and put it down when I don't, without being concerned with other peoples interests or requirements.

hellish_devil
hellish_devil
9 years ago

Well, I'd probably start playing games I couldn't play before, that I always wanted but didn't have the time. And we all know, we've all missed some must-play gems. I'd like to play Shenmue, or Skies of Arcadia, or PSOne's Spyros.


Last edited by hellish_devil on 2/13/2011 10:03:53 PM

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

Yep. Time to bust out the old school consoles and rediscover the classics.

Victor321
Victor321
9 years ago

I'll buy less games in general (due to more time consumed in the games I would get), internet usage would go through the roof (and ISPs would go berserk and pulling out their hair due to that strain), the industry will stagnate in quality, etc.

In short, the future will be bright 🙂

/sarcasm

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

I'd hate it. I enjoy multiplayer games but I really love my single player experiences. I love to get sucked into the stories and multiplayer just doesn't have that.

Radiohead
Radiohead
9 years ago

I don't hate multiplayer its enjoyable especially local multiplayer back in the ps2 days and also local multiplayer in the ps3, playing online with other people is fun too but yeah i prefer single player games.


Last edited by Radiohead on 2/13/2011 10:31:26 PM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Like everyone else here, I'd become much less of a gamer, for sure. I'm not even sure I'd invest in future consoles, if that happened.

LittleBigMidget
LittleBigMidget
9 years ago

Like the others I would probably stop gaming, or buying new games anyway. I buy games for the glory, gameplay, and the story (if there is a story). No way in flaming hell would I sacrifice that for multiplayer. But I do see this happening to the industry, maybe not multiplayer only, but I'm start to see less SP only experiences.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I wouldn't play as many games.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Alas my gaming days would be at an end and you could only find World with his nose in a book.

Gaming as always multiplayer? I would not have it so. In fact I am staying with my position that online playing should just be a bonus. It should hardly even factor into a review score if at all.

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

Full agreement. I come for the single player experience and only rarely participate in multiplayer, typically only if it's local multiplayer.

Gabriel013
Gabriel013
9 years ago

World, I really want to give you more than 1 thumbs up for this.

Multiplayer should only ever be an add-on.

TheAgingHipster
TheAgingHipster
9 years ago

God forbid. I don't participate in multiplayer because I don't like playing with peole I don't know. I will always fondly remember playing CounterStrike on the LAN at my college dorm with my hallmates, but it was our close acquaintance that made it fun. The only difference between single player and multiplayer against a faceless, nameless avatar is the crap talking if they win, and the cries of foul if they lose.

If all games go to online multiplayer, I will no longer be a gamer.

Snaaaake
Snaaaake
9 years ago

Then I'll quit gaming.
But I don't see this happening, not when Sony and Nintendo still exist.

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

I would hate that. I would still play old games but I wouldn't buy any new ones. Multiplayer is fun with some games, in my experience the only enjoyable multiplayer games for me are the Battlefield series, and there the only games I'll buy for online only, other then that I play games for the singleplayer story, that's what gaming for me is all about.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

The Industry=Dead.

I see this a lot with my son. He hasn't finished KZ2, MOH, or BFBC2 single player but has played them all online extensively. As soon as I buy a game he wants, he goes straight to the MP. Only after long talks from me as to why he must experience these games for their stories and such will he even start the single player.

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

Besides BFBC2 I can never play online before I beat the campaign, its one of my main rules. I still haven't touched Dead Space 2's MP and I've platnimued it and beat it 5 times. The singleplayer is just to good.

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

I'm in the middle of playing Darksiders. I guess games like this wouldn't exist in a mp only world. To me, that would be a real shame.

I certainly would never quit playing games because that's just what I do. But like Jawknee mentioned, I too would just play less games. When it comes to online, one or two is really all you can play at a time. They're just so engrossing. I mean look at those WoW addicts. I doubt they even know what year it is now.

Something tells me though, that if the world went mp only, we'd eventually see a dev come out with a fantastic sp experience and gamers everywhere would look at it like some kind of revolution in gaming.

LittleBigMidget
LittleBigMidget
9 years ago

@Paste2TheNuggs. Well, those ARE FPS games, alot of people only love them solely for the multiplayer.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

Too add to my point though. I have a library of over fifty games and he won't touch any of them. His gaming is basically COD. I got him to play Bioshock for a little bit but he stopped for some reason although he says he loves it. He loves Star Wars but hasn't touched The Force Unleashed 2. At times, I literally tell him he can't play any shooter games for the day. He hates it, but I hope he will come to love SP games the way I have.

P.S. I don't consider games like Bioshock to be shooters. More like first person experiences with shooting added on.


Last edited by PasteNuggs on 2/13/2011 11:44:08 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I think there is a significant issue with certain youths being unable or unwilling to stick to a lengthy narrative in this twitter fueled world. That's a generalization, but it's obviously easier for those shorter of attention span to pick and put down a deathmatch within the hour than to put in time to become attached to well developed characters and ingenious plot development.

MadKatBebop
MadKatBebop
9 years ago

I notice that a lot with kids my age. I'm taking a video game design class at my high school and all the other youth in my class hate the PS3 and everything Sony and love MS and Halo, CoD but only for there MP.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

No, that is a significant issue. The youth of this current generation are – I believe – extremely shallow culturally speaking. Everything to day is speed, and immediate consumption/gratification. Kids don't learn to take in information and think about it, they don't analyze, they respond. Everything is about reacting faster than someone else, whether it's texting before someone, posting 'first' or firing first in a game, or beating someone to a great deal. It's all about speed and reaction.

Story, character development, puzzles, skill, all of these things take time, practice, analysis or effort to learn and master. They are not about immediate gratification or reaction time. I think we are breeding a generation of people who lack so many of the basic cultural norms that most of us here grew up with, that we may not recognize society in just a few short years. There is no fellow feeling, the level of humanity and civility is at an all time low, then again, when you text or email someone in a split second, there's no time for civility or humanity, just respond! React! NOW!

And at this point, since I know there will be many people concluding I'm an old git who's just too old to understand, I'll cease prattling.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

"The youth of this current generation are – I believe – extremely shallow culturally speaking" … and so it has been, ALWAYS! I don't know about you but when I think back to when I was in my early teens and the games I created then (yes I coded games when I was a kid, cause my chosen platform had practically no games) they were almost all fast paced, conceptually easy games, with characters often based on my favorite pop stars (!) like Boy George and Michael Jackson. Yeah I know, it sounds totally pukeworthy but that IS the mindset of a teen!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

@beanboom.

I completely understand, I've written some stuff in the dim and very distant past, but nothing was ever published…

As for this :

"The youth of this current generation are – I believe – extremely shallow culturally speaking" … and so it has been, ALWAYS!

Definitely. That's the worst part. Every word I typed in that reply I felt like I was now the old crotchety gray haired man in the rocker on the porch complaining about those young whippersnappers. But in all seriousness, I remember being that age, and I remember being accused of being shallow and superficial. So I recognize that there is an element of my own bias, and an element of it always having been this way. However, I do also think that the societal trends in technology, communication and media consumption are having profound effects on the youth of today, effects that previous generations were not really subject to. I think that there is kind of a tipping point after which the accumulated effect of technological change and societal change and change in both entertainment and communication styles, methods and media, all these changes accumulate and when the tipping point is reached, something, or some things, will break. I don't know what exactly, but the paucity of communication these days is distressing to me. The rapid fire speed and brevity of communication destroys the ability to convey subtle or complex thoughts, concepts or other matters. People laugh and complain if you write more than 5 -lines in a post because you're long winded. Well, the thing is, sometimes 5 lines is sufficient only to introduce a topic. It's certainly not enough to fully convey complex thought on deep topics. But the way we are headed, 5 lines will be considered long winded.

xenris
xenris
9 years ago

No I agree with you highlander. I'm not really old, but even when I was younger, just in my teens I really enjoyed the single player experience and the story driven RPGs. Most of my friends did too because honestly console shooters just werent up to snuff. But these days kids opt for the instant gratification kill fest with copious amounts of aim assist. PC shooters back in my day when Counterstrike and Tribes were the shooter kings were hard as heck. You needed twitch skills and reaction sure, but you eventually had to learn strategy because if you didn't work with your team use grenades properly etc you would die. I dont see this anymore in CoD, its all about lone wolf instant gratification, oh you died heres some exp, died some more? How about this gun then to make you better….I swear its ridiculous.

I bring this up because the CoD fans think they are kings at shooters, however CoD has some of the most obvious and down right silly aim assist ever. Which allows the kids to react not respond even quicker to the battle around them. I truly think this is creating a generation of hyper kids with ADHD. Now I do love my shooters but as I stated out above I also really enjoy a good story and good characters always have.

The main problem with online only games is right now at least it could only be as good as an instance in say world of warcraft(no I dont play it) which honestly isn't that appealing, and is several steps below the single player storytelling bar thats been set by devs like Naughty Dog and Bioware.

Good news for anyone who liked Arkum Asylum, Rocksteady said that they didn't put multiplayer into Arkum City because they wanted to create the best single player experience ever, so I don't think SP games are going anywhere soon.

hiverious
hiverious
9 years ago

"I think there is a significant issue with certain youths being unable or unwilling to stick to a lengthy narrative in this twitter fueled world."

I can say I find it terrifying that this is beginning to happen to me. I was ashamed to find myself glancing at my watch while watching Black Swan, and that movie isn't even 2 hours long!

With this being the information age, I suppose there's a push towards instant accessibility and with that comes less tolerance for things that require persistance. Why settle down to watch a slow burn drama when you can watch 10 minutes of cats being silly on youtube? Why invest in a well developed video game narrative when you can get instant action in a deathmatch?

I know most of my friends would prefer mindless entertainment like Transformers or multiplayer to alternatives such as The King's Speech or Uncharted 2. It's sad, really.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Well, I can't speak much for MP games, as I've only been playing my first one now(KZ3 beta), but surprisingly so far, I've been enjoying it.

But with that said, don't dare do away with SP modes, or I'll wind up going retro even faster than I'm doing now & my next hunt will be for the other 21 games I still need to complete my newest gaming collection, the retro "3D "Virtual Boy system that I just bought.

And as for those gals in the pic, no thanks, I'm just not into picking runts of all the litters.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 2/13/2011 11:25:20 PM

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
9 years ago

Short stints with that virtual boy biker,or it will fry your brain 🙂

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

Lord carlos,
Yeah, I know what you mean, I could only take about 15 minutes of playing Mario Tennis on it.

But no worries if games go all-out MP only, especially since I just ended another one of my 3 major Big Game Hunts every year.

I'm now at 30 gaming systems w/2042 games in my collection. So now I have a nice backlog of at least 1600+ games I still want to play & choose from.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 2/14/2011 12:44:01 AM

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
9 years ago

WOW
I think you've got 3 life times worth of gaming there,something to be proud off!
Fair play to ya 🙂

Eld
Eld
9 years ago

I guess I would start reading books more, since there would be no new games left to play:(

I like games with emphasis on story, mainly games from RPG genre, so such gaming world would not appeal to me. Unfortunately co-op action oriented gameplay is creeping even into traditionally single player RPG genre, replacing quality story-telling.

Hmm, maybe I should just start learning Japanese right now. That would be the last place where something like this might happen… I think.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I am doing just that. Starting off with japanese TV with subtitles to get used to the sound of the language. At some point both my wife and I will start learning real spoken Japanese and eventually some basic written Japanese. Enough to play the RPGs at least…LOL!

Lord carlos
Lord carlos
9 years ago

If single player went the way of the dinosaurs i think i'd take up knitting….Demolition man style 🙂

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
9 years ago

If the industry goes in this direction , they better hope that enough gamers stay in the gaming because I don't know that I would be buying any more new games. Games sell consoles not the other way around so 'IF' the whole industry went this direction, I don't think that it would be very good for console developer's either.

Wonder if they would even consider the extent of the damage the gaming industry would have to take if old school and new school gamers who live for the single player experience stopped buying games…

A2K78
A2K78
9 years ago

"Raymond spoke about the emergence of social gaming and how the face of the industry has changed"

Social gaming an emerging trend? How clueless is this woman, and I say this because the whole idea of social gaming have been around for ages and in a place I would like to call the arcade.


Last edited by A2K78 on 2/14/2011 12:35:25 AM