"She must not be forgotten."

So said Square-Enix boss Tetsuya Nomura in reference to Lightning, the pretty, fiercely independent protagonist from Final Fantasy XIII . This from a mysterious e-mail Nomura sent out to Square-Enix Ultimate Members; the simple art work and corresponding message can be found at GamersMint , and it has sparked a whirlwind of discussion. Unsurprisingly, the majority believe Nomura is hinting at a sequel, which wouldn't be entirely unwelcome.

Most remember Final Fantasy X-2 and although it still holds a less-than-stellar reputation, many of the fans – myself included – loved it. So if they want to make Final Fantasy XIII-2 , this particular franchise follower will be intrigued…after all, Square-Enix has received a ton of feedback concerning FFXIII, and they just might make a few changes… We've given up on the possibility of turn-based, but there are many steps the developers could take to provide us with a "truer" FF experience.

As always, I must add that I thoroughly enjoyed FFXIII – despite my disappointment that it wasn't what I expected – and both Lightning and Fang are two of my favorite characters this generation. In fact, Lightning was just starting to get interesting at the end of FFXIII, so I'm all for a return. Gotta love the strawberry blond hair, too.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

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Jonesy555
Jonesy555
9 years ago

I'd welcome a XIII-2 for more Lightning. But Sazh better make a cameo appearance or two. He was easily the most relatable person from the game. Maybe because we're both Black…

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Do you both have that sweet fro? =)

GuyverLT
GuyverLT
9 years ago

I got a fro I really don't know if it's sweet or not though seeing how I've never tasted it……. HMMM!!! I'mma have to try that one day.


Last edited by GuyverLT on 12/14/2010 10:37:29 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Guyver, it'd probably taste okay just as long as you didn't keep a choco-chic in it 'cause your hair would probably smell and taste like poo.

=p

GuyverLT
GuyverLT
9 years ago

LOL.

I'll try to keep that mind.

GuyverLT
GuyverLT
9 years ago

Also would it be too much to ask for developers to use more Black protagonist cause their almost always The side guy/Partner but never hardly the main character asides from a couple game like the Def Jam games or GTA: San Andreas, or 2nd True Crime game but aside from them not many.

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

I totally agree: more non-white characters.

I don't want to start seeing tokenism, but there's no reason for every lead to be a white dude. Except for the fact that they're all voiced by Nolan North, I suppose.

GuardianMode
GuardianMode
9 years ago

A unforgettable character in a very forgettable game.

Victor321
Victor321
9 years ago

Awesomesauce for the comment at the end Ben, I feel so happy that I'm not the only one who notices that….or at the very least, says it out loud to his friends and gets awkward looks in return.

🙂

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Bah, forget your friends. Lightning is cute. 🙂

Victor321
Victor321
9 years ago

Indeed she is, no doubt about that!
I have a very big poster of her to prove it ^__^

spiderboi
spiderboi
9 years ago

Lightning, when she gets all emo, gets me me frustrated with her and then makes me think of bad things with her :p
Like c'mon, who's a female soldier who comes to battle in a skirt.. (not that I'm whole-ly complaining though)

Kevin555
Kevin555
9 years ago

Noone will forget Lightning, but most will forget about FFXIII.

Snaaaake
Snaaaake
9 years ago

So true my friend.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I won't forget FF13. The game was a stunning example of artistic design and strong production values that I can't imagine anyone being able to soon forget because, frankly, there aren't many other games that match it on those fronts. The issues "fans" have with it tend to be directed towards the stripped down more linear format. While I loved the combat engine, I didn't love missing the more varied pacing of FF's from say the PSX era. It looks, sounds, and is presented as the part, but the game experience is on a diet compared to prior outings.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I could forget Lightening. Vanille on the other hand….

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

@temjin
i'm not surprised you liked the combat system. like how ninja gaiden combat, final fantasy combat system is pretty speedy/fast too. As for why fans dont really like it, its not really about linearity. final fantasy X was pretty linear too but i still loved it. If i was to say why i dont like about it, i would say its more of pacing or the feeling of being rushed. That and the feeling that your characters dont really seem like theyre growing stronger throught the game.

sure, you need to get the best armor or what not but to me armor and weapons should be a secondary type of add on/stat augmentation. your survival shouldnt be dictated by what armor or weapon you equip. they could factor into it but not be solely reliant on it. basically your party hasnt grown that much, they just found armor that allows them to survive a lot longer. maxing out the chrystalium, which is capped depending on story progression by the way, and still being crushed easily isnt satisfying.

I also didnt like how i was being rushed in both story and combat. linearity is fine but a 20 hour tutorial is just mind numbing. being rushed in combat just leads me to just picking whatever command i can get to fast enough. there can be strategy but its kinda meh. i like thoroughly thinking out strategies to defeat enemies. i dont mind if action doesnt stop but the way FF13 did it, you can be defeated easily at any turn. of course, you can be killed any turn as usual but your enemy's power compared to yours at any point in the game is overwhelming. like that last boss, if you dont have your buffs up at all times, he can practically kill your team in one move. couple that with the main character dying means game over, even though you have 2 damn medics right next to you by the way with the revive spell.

All in all, pretty much all the things that made the game great were there, the visuals and story. What they're missing is the final fantasy experience which is why fans feel like they've been screwed. We expected a final fantasy game, which we cant be blamed for seeing that they did use the name, but ended up with a game that was far below our expectations as series fans, even if it was a great game in its own right. basically, if they say they were giving us final fantasy, then give us final fantasy, not a different game bearing the same name. Kinda like how hollywood does their video game movies. all they use is the name to cover up their crap. although in final fantasy 13 sense, this was far from crap.

on a side note, i was really pissed that we couldnt use snow for what seems like have the game. i dont remember if he was weak as hell when he joined but i was irritated that they shelved a character which had personal ties with lightning and her sister for that long. snow wasnt even my favorite character but if they did that with vanille, i'd be really pissed.


Last edited by johnld on 12/15/2010 2:55:55 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

The battle system was terribly terrible. Worst gaming experience I have had in the last 10 years. Such a stupid and pointless battle system. Didn't even feel like I was playing a game. Who ever designed that system should be fired.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Johnld, yeah, the time element I liked. It added a couple dynamics to the battle tactics. Staggering some enemies would reward timing efficiency and understanding how to optimally arrange your team. And secondly, I almost always felt I had plenty of time to choose what command my one character would do. I also liked how I could break the ATB and execute a command early to meet a time sensitive demand.
I also liked the way the game would remember your libra scan and automatically pick the best elemental attack etc. It cuts down on input command redundancy.

I also think liking the FF13 combat is necessary to liking FF13. I just can't see how anyone would like the game if the combat was a turn-off. The game is largely on a one track course with battle after battle after battle, broken up by brief traveling, and story sequences.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I don't mind seeing a spin-off return to the characters of FF13. I can't say I was really compelled by FFX-2. In fact, I had a pretty ambivalent disposition towards it. Many of my friends agreed the game had a way too feme'ish vibe for our tastes. But those who actually could stomach the content claimed the game as a jRPG was great and not to be missed. Perhaps if it ever goes PSN I'll take a crack at it… again.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/14/2010 9:48:36 PM

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

yeah, it was more of that "girl power" type thing. I still loved it though, story was great and tied up loose ends. i initially played if after i replayed X so that i dont miss a beat with the story. Combat system was pretty sweet too.

Arvis
Arvis
9 years ago

Final Fantasy X-2 is one of the greatest video games of all time.

Do yourselves a favor, drop the overly masculine insecurities, and treat yourself to one of the best RPGs of any generation.

-Arvis

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Lol! X-2 was not that great.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Look Arvis, the content has to be interesting. I love game play too but it better look and sound like a game I want to play. The first couple hours of FFX-2 was really hard to swallow. I'm sure perverts, femme guys or lonely guys who can't get girls may have a voyeuristic kick from playing it but I don't belong to either of those categories.

Arvis
Arvis
9 years ago

How about guys who are comfortable with their masculinity and actually know a thing or two about girls beyond their physiology?

Is that a category you fit into?

-Arvis

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

No Arvis. How about YOU try coming up with a better argument for why the game is "one of teh best games evah" than just accusing us of misogyny.

Pretty pathetic argument and tells me more about you than it does those who disagree with you.

Arvis
Arvis
9 years ago

The game speaks for itself. Didn't know this was an argument.

Also, I apologize if I made you think I considered you guys misogynists. I don't think that and didn't mean to convey it.

The game has a very deep story if you pay attention, and understanding Yuna's mind and the way she is dealing with losing a loved one in death is some of the most complex characterization in any RPG.
Admittedly, the story hangs on the first game and wouldn't be anything special without it.

As for gameplay mechanics, read a review if you want to know why it's awesome. JOB CLASSES, man! 🙂

-Arvis

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Always a friendly argument. 🙂 Not the other kind of arguement. I just thought it was a little odd that you kept going back to the "anti-woman" defense for the game.

I will give the game this, it had a more entertaining battle system than FFXIII. I just couldn't get into the whole J-Pop feel of the game.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Arvis, just go dress up your little girlies, be happy and tell yourself there's nothing wrong with it =p

oONewcloudOo
oONewcloudOo
9 years ago

lightning is a cool charactor but im still trying to forget vaan *shivers*

eLLeJuss
eLLeJuss
9 years ago

LOL. Vaan is like the worst main guy ever.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I didn't really think Vaan was the main character. He was introduced to us first, but his purpose was pretty backseat to a few of the others, like Ashe and the knight dudes(forget their names).


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/14/2010 10:16:21 PM

nilos95
nilos95
9 years ago

She won't be forgotten.

Anyway, for me the best FF characters are Zack(FFVII), Balthier(FFXII) and………………………..Delita(ask Ben if you don't know him)

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Well, it's going to be made that little bit harder to forget him, what with his inclusion in Dissidia 012.
Peace.

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

actually, i think they didnt mean any of the characters to be the "main character". I believe their goal was to focus on the entire world/setting that was happening in it than the experience of a person's perspective. for that reason and that it was a politically motivated setting left me without an attachment to any character. i still enjoyed the game though.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

yeah, Johnld, now that you mention that, I think I read an interview somewhere where years ago that the story wasn't supposed to have any concrete protagonist.

Oxvial
Oxvial
9 years ago

Shes going to be on Dissidia 2 but still I just find her decent but I don't care if we don't see her again.

eLLeJuss
eLLeJuss
9 years ago

WHAT ABOUT VANILLE HUH? Best character EVAR! I bet you guys loved the way she spoke. We need more vanille scenes if u gonna make the ffx13-2 <3

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

I like Vanille, Light's cute too.
Would welcome a sequel, hoping it would be somewhat like Crisis Core.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Uh…I could do without Vanille. She's what, 13?

No, Fang and Lightning will be fine.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Vanille was 16, thank you very much…. Yeah, she was cute, but her cheeriness started to grate towards the end. I'd like to see her back, but Lightning was more my style. 😛

swapnilgyani
swapnilgyani
9 years ago

Oh…Vanille :: facepalm ::

Lightning was a strong character, and for most part, cute! But my favourite character was Fang. She had this "bad girl" vibe about her (which I love in ladies in real life too), yet was really good at heart. And oh, she was super hotttt. In many ways, she reminded me of Chloe from Uncharted 2.

chedison
chedison
9 years ago

Lawless, towards the end? more like right from the beginning lol.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

No, I could deal with it early on. Constant optimism is not something that I can deal with well though.
Peace.

eLLeJuss
eLLeJuss
9 years ago

Fang had the Susan Boyle accent so i didn't really like her that much. But yeah, she was hot.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

As long as Lightning doesn't get two other female friends to traverse the globe in search of treasure and dresspheres, while high five-ing girl style, laughing and cheering like a 13 year old, we'll be fine.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

And what about performing Britany Spears concerts? Is that out of the question too?
=)

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
9 years ago

Stop hating.
If you found treasure you would pump fists with your friends.

The story was extremely compelling and the gameplay was superb.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Oops, I accidentally gave you a thumbs down there Underdog. But I can fix that. *click* fixed 😉

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Scarecrow
I think you mean the gameplay was superb and then stopped there. The story only advances really at the start and end of a chapter.

If you break it down, there's almost no story. It just feels like there is because you're constantly engaged within a world that echoes the exact same emotions from one end of the globe to the other. I thought it was a nice exclamation point to FFX, but it certainly didn't have it's own compelling story.

I got the good good ending, myself, but there were numerous times I felt like a teenage girl while playing. I also felt like they made Yuna ditzier. And given Paine's past, they really did her character a disservice. She should have been far more compelling. Her entire personality is based on one single event in her life, and they made the illusion of her being complex by simply making her unwilling to talk about the past.

The writing, the music, the characters (LeBlanc and co.? WTF?!), the story… it was pretty poor. In fact, the best characters in that entire game were supporting leads (the 3 guys, I forget their names now… Nooj, Baralai, or something like that and I forget the third). Those three were the best characters.

But you're right about the gameplay. That battle system was one of the best ever, in my opinion. My comment was moreso based on the travesty that was Yuna 2-point-oh. They butchered her character and made her dumber. In fact, the only times she resembled the Yuna I loved, is in her thoughts. I dunno… I thought the writing was weak.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 12/15/2010 7:49:46 AM