Ben-DutkaDavid Jaffe began his career with Sony and in speaking with him, it's clear he has the highest respect for the mega-global electronics corporation. It's at least part of the reason – presumably – that his new development studio, Eat Sleep Play, makes titles exclusively for the PS3.
He has often stated his preference for Sony's machine in the past but when Destructoid posted an article about this subject, site members made some relatively hostile, ill-informed comments…which is never a good idea when dealing with Jaffe. He responded promptly at his Twitter page :
"Holy f**k, Destructoid Xbox only owners out in full force against me. WTF? I can't have an opinion? It's not that we would not LOVE to have our games in every home in the world…even the ones w/out electricity. F**k it- we don't care! It's just that we value our relationship with Sony very, very much. They give us extra time to make the game great, lots of creative and marketing and business support. And we like the people over there tons; they are like family. Why is it so hard to understand we'd like 2 stay in that kind of working relationship?"
He later clarified that his words weren't an attack on Destructoid; in fact, he likes the site just fine. It was just a matter of responding to statements he didn't take kindly to, and we suppose he's perfectly entitled. Some designers just feel more comfortable with certain hardware; that's the way things are. Jaffe has a long – and prolific – history with Sony, so it shouldn't be any surprise that he feels comfortable working with them on most any project.
We won't be commenting further on the situation. It has pretty well dried up…let's just say, like developers, certain sites are on different wavelengths.
Why can't fanboys respect opinions
Its because they love Xbox.
and cock.
sorry thats was childish.
but so are they.
Yea it is really sad that they can't behave themselves in a civilized manner.
I own all 3 major systems and play on them regularly i have favorite games on each as how it should be.
Yea, in this kind of world in the eyes of an Xbox fanboy, if you ONLY own a PS3, you 'MUST' be a PS3 fanboy because you clearly haven't played or owned the 360 and if you did, you'd be on THEIR bandwagon. I own a PS3 and Wii, but HONESTLY I've wanted a 360 just for Gears and Lost Odyssey, but you just think to yourself and without being a fanboy, it barely has any games towards my damn field of interest! I buy a console for the Games, first and foremost. That means my investment to the price of the console must be met equally or higher-than, with great quality games and I'm afraid 360 as well as its infamous faulty-rate is not worth the expenses and concern. I've had a preference to Sony products not because I am a fanboy, but I know they're quality made, and Sony usually gets a great deal of quality-titles and the sequels from PS1/PS2 days came to PS3 that I wanted like MGS4 as a Must.
PS3 is my preference this generation as PS2 was my own last generation. I'd rather consider myself a logical Gamer. I'll buy the 360 just as I did the Gamecube when its price goes down and its life is over, I don't want to pay or Xbox Live and I don't need to play Online, I just want to experience the few games it DOES offer.
There is a bunch of xbox fanboys over there, you say one word about the PS3 you are automatically a Troll/PS3 Fanboy.
See even Jaffe gets attacked by them, that's why i don't like a lot of the sites out there, IGN, Kotaku, destructoid just to name a few. This is why i like this site honest opinions and no immature arguments. This site can have a good conversation/debate about something.
Well Wreckless, it's why I pretty much only live here.
Indeed, this is a very good site to be apart of. And this site has friendly people and if you make a mistake they don't make fun of you they will correct it and tell you what's going on about it etc.
You guys trying to make me cry?
I'll cry with you if that helps. =')
Yah i agree totally, cause i do read other sites, this is the only site I make comments on… woot woot
Its funny because I still visit IGN from time to time, but I almost always leave angry because of all of the fanboyism. I really don't get why I even bother going back.
@ Ruta – LOL @ "massive troll hive-mind"
I gotta use that one day.
@Clamedeus
You don't want to know wha the PSX community did to Infamousgod_V2 (or something like that)
@Killa Tequilla
I was here when that happened.
I missed the events that happened to him, which was odd timing.
But in my experience, if you get banned from this site, you might as well have just asked to be banned.
Bizzare Creations openly revealed that a big reason they abandoned Project Gotham and went multi-plat was because MS created ultimatums for the studio. MS forced their product out for release before the team felt prepared that their game's were ready to ship. Today, PGR4 can be had used at Gamestop's for $5 =
It's nice reading that some devs have had positive experiences working with larger corporations who are willing to work with their creative partners.
I'm trying to find the interview I read about that on the net but I can't. I know I read that somewhere, does anyone know where that can be sourced?
Anyhow, looks like BC has been axed by Activision as well because Blur flopped.
Know what?
They should have gone with Sony or EA.
It's kinda like how I respect Bungie, Lionhead, Epic's Gears series and, for a long while, Valve for choosing to keep their games exclusive to 360 to try and get the most out of it. Some developers like to work on 1 platform to try and create an amazing game that suits the hardware perfectly, and I respect that.
Even the Wii can show some fantastic exclusive games if you can look beyond the shovelware.
Those attacks on Jaffe is a really, really poor example of gamer behaviour. Those members at Destructoid should be ashamed of themselves. They wonder why no one takes them seriously or treats them with respect, then they go and say dumb things like that. Shameful.
I only wish more gaming websites were like this one. Sure, this site is preferenced towards Playstation branded stuff, but a lot of members here also have open minds and are intelligent enough to argue without name calling or swearing. And I'm talking legitimate arguments with information to back it up! Opinions are also highly respected round here too, and I like that.
If someone here likes Halo and explains why, we accept it. This is just the wonderful community Ben has created for us.
If there's a respectful and mature Wii and 360 website similar to this one, please let me know members of PSXextreme. I like my gaming news and I can't get ALL of it from here alone, know what I mean?
Temjin001, If this May 2009 wasn't the article you read, this 2=page is still related to that whole M$ can of worms deal…..
(Shame they didn't know antivision would wind up canning them though)
Interview: Bizarre Creations’ Martyn Chudley
http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-bizarre-creations%E2%80%99-martyn-chudley
Bingo! That's it BikerSaint
Here's a quote from the article:
"But towards the end of that project they wanted us to bring it in early, to chop six weeks off development. But the way we work is really right up to the wire, so basically the game is nowhere near finished at six weeks to go, so we had to dig our heels in and say that our contract said that we’re to bring the game in on this day, and that’s what we were going to do because we cannot compromise the work that the lads have been doing, and the quality of the game. They didn’t realise how bad a situation it would have been – we needed that extra six weeks, and it got us concerned with the future with Microsoft."
Wow. Just wow.
The 360 elite are something else.
Truth be told, that's another reason ( of many ) I don't game on the Xbox anymore. I only know a few of them who don't have a superiority complex.
…has anyone noticed the hostility level of 360 fans has increased over the years?
Wonder why.
They have a hard time with facing the inevitable??
The release of GT5 has leveled it up even further.
Yes now that GT5 was released, they cant stop trolling the game saying how much better FORZA3 is just because of Metacritic and IGN.
The most funny thing is when they claim to already played the game and giving an unbiased opinion xD because they also have a Ps3, I always ask for the psname and they troll me back but rarely prove to have one.
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Majority of the site are ganging up on GT5, these guys aren't professionals.
No matter, only thing that matters is that GT5 is better than FM3 and that's a fact.
So when the next nintendo console comes and they implement them, just imagine the violent riots =S.
I belive it is called the little dog, or napoleon syndrom. It is when someone is inferior to those around them so they strike out as loud as they can so everyone notices them
Yeah, they hit puberty.
Reminds me of the story I told on here last year about that Xbot I ran across when I was on Youtube back in 2009.. Dude didn't want to give the PS3 any credit and he also down grade the exclusive line up.
I don't get where does the hate for the PS3 comes from? I don't care for the 360 I admit that yet I don't believe in bashing the 360 just for the hell of it.
To the subject at hand this is just plain ole fashion hypocrisy on the part of the Xbox community. If someone at Epic games or Valve said the things Jaffe said about the 360 they will be held up as a hero by them.
@ JDC80
Frankly I'm so incredibly sick of it. I prefer the Playstation 3 but just like you I DO NOT bash on the xbox 360 for no appearant reason. I am really curious as to why this vicious hate for PS3 come about to begin with. Its like we did nothing wrong and we offer them some of our food because we notice that they are starving yet because they can't relinquish their pride, they knock they food away and spit at our feet.
To all xbox 360 only fans: Are you really going to stand there and say that the PLaystation 3 has absolutely no worth at all?
They are poor people, if you are educated and have money you can buy a lot of stuff you like. But it also gives you the choice to not buy something and still be content. If however you are poor and dumb and don't have choices you start to complain.
I'm a xbox fan and I'm disappointed in MS. Not enough to punch people in the face and tell off David Jaffe, but it bothers me that there's hardly anything on the horizon from MS to get excited about. It's like their system has been progressively becoming less interesting in games. I think their E3 presentation earlier this year showed how polarized their efforts have become. Audience "A" likes competitive online shooters (looks at CoD and Gears 3) and their hopeful audience "B" wants to dance around their living room in front of a camera.
Is this it?
Is this the content that is defining the future of their platform?
I don't understand what their marketing ideology is, there's been no consistency for me to trust their leadership as a well rounded gaming provider. They ditched their powerful hardware identity with the original Xbox and transitioned 4 years later into streamlined affordability provider. The japanese partners who've tried to bring across their Playstation-centric games like Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden, and DOA have failed at integrating into MS's highly concentrated culture of competitive online gamer. Games that try to diversify the 360's library like Alan Wake can't find an audience large enough to appreciate such content. Now, MS's biggest announcements come in the form of CoD exclusivity agreements with add-on content, announcing new LIVE services, and redoing their dashboard.
Now, I get to wade through their expensive efforts at trying to motivate interests in Kinect….
Oh wait, I got a PS3/PSP WOO HOO!
=)
@Temjin001
I'm in the same boat. I'm a 360 fan while being no fan of MS. It's disappointing to see the lack of creativity in most of the exclusive software. I loved Alan Wake and wish MS would work with companies to develop more quality IPs than exclusive DLC deals on multiplatform titles. I'd like to see them work with a publisher on something like Heavy Rain for the 360. It's not a major issue to me as I have a PS3 and can enjoy those titles right now but it'd still be nice to see the machine get a better balance of quality games.
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Because they ave realized that they might have made the wrong choice. Have you ever notice (and I'm certain that you have, and probably know the psychological basis for the reaction…) how people often get hostile when shown a truth that they know but want to avoid?
I mean, many people have bought into the 360 very deeply, and have replaced one or more units, and spent a decent amount of money on a system that is lagging behind in several ways. Along comes Sony to wreck the party by having a successful PS3 that is continuing to forge ahead. Since they fear making the wrong choice, they have to denigrate the other valid choice, and the strength of that effort is directly proportional to how deeply they have bought into the 360.
This is exactly what happened with the HD-DVD/BluRay thing. The HD-DVD folks still, to this day, continue to paint BluRay as a failure. Amusingly even after HD-DVD had died, they maintained that it was technically superior. Yet ironically they switched tactic and started claiming that optical discs were dead and everything would go digital download anyway. So they do the two things most typical of someone who feels they are in the wrong, but don't want to admit it. They attack, and shift ground.
LOL Jaffe attacked out of the blue, wth is happening on Destructoid xD.
360 fans have always been hostile. Can't take being shafted by ps3 exclusives like MGS4, Uncharted, GT5, Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, GOWIII
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ya gotta mention Infamous in those exclusive lineup claims 😉
Funny, and they were the one always saying they prefer the box yet when someone prefer the station they go HAMPOOBABOOM!
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I visit destructoid often to laugh at the fanboy fools and seriously the members are so ignorant and hostile, mostly the bots. ahah. Seriously though I always hear the bots saying ps3 fanboys are the worst, clearly not. They did give gt5 a 10 though:p
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Damn, is just saying the truth, the mere fact automatically makes you the villain?
I guess so, even if you say you like both they will treat you as a villain which i don't get why if you like both consoles and don't treat one like crap then i don't see what the problem is.
But if you say something about the PS3 they immediately attack you and call you a PS3 fanboy followed with insults which is very immature.
The bots get hostile on an article about PS3 exclusivity and Jaffe throws a hissy fit on twitter?
Not very classy if you ask me. Let the idiots have their fun, you just make games and keep your dignity.
Well, that dude on Destructoid Jim Sterling (Don't like that guy) twisted the article a little bit to make it seem like he doesn't like the 360 at all or some nonsense like that so the bots are raging like mad.
Exactly. The site feeds on, and fosters, that kind of behavior. No need to get up in arms about it. It's not some surprise to anyone is it?
I applauded Jaffe. Those idiots need to be called out.
Umm, Jaffe isn't known for dignity, he's known for swearing and hurling insults at fools.
To what end?