We all have our personal preferences; what someone might call "boring" another might call "immensely entertaining." Considering this, we know Gearbox Randy Pitchford was speaking about a certain group of gamers who may have considered the excellent RPG, Fallout 3 , "boring." …but he might also be a member of that group.

Anyway, in talking up Gearbox's very promising RPG/FPS, Borderlands , Pitchford said it would be "less boring" than Fallout 3 in a recent interview with OXM . Essentially, he's referring to the inherent action in Borderlands , which has a better chance of immediately snagging those with shorter attention spans. Said Pitchford:

"I understand why we do those games [like Fallout 3] but I don't know – do we want that? I think that game could have been much better if it didn't have a single dialogue tree. Honestly. And if it was more action-orientated, and if the shooting was better."

Pitchford isn't saying his approach to exploring vast landscapes is better, but he does say he'll leave it up to the consumer to decide. "We'll find out when we decide what people are gonna buy," he said. If it weren't for the more fantastical setting, we'd compare it to Deus Ex , as Borderlands will most certainly boast both role-playing and standard FPS elements. The question is: does it appeal to you ? It'll drop on October 20.

Related Game(s): Borderlands

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Zemus101
Zemus101
11 years ago

As I've said on other topics about this game, I am extremely stoked. I ordered it from Amazon.ca and I'm hoping it arrives around the 21st. 4 player co-op and definitely confirmed the system generates over 16 million weapons (or is it items?) anyways …can't wait, hoping it's as good if not better than Fallout3.

When can I expect a review from you guys? Would be nice to find some before I get it, for those that get the review copies early.


Last edited by Zemus101 on 10/6/2009 9:51:38 PM

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

Why OH why do these devs open their mouths??!!

I'm very interested in Borderlands, but why does he have to open his stupid yap and bad mouth one of my all time favorite games?

Hey Pitchford, here's an idea, talk AFTER you've released your game.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

Maybe becuase one of your all time favorite games didn't live up to the hype. It wasn't a true RPG or Fallout game.

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
11 years ago

I agree Alien. That sh*t talking doesn't come over too well with me either. One thing M$ did innovate was the thuggish approach everyone has while endorsing their products.

This game already had my attention because I loved Fallout 3 and I must agree the shooting was not the best. The weapons were just awesome though.

coverton341
coverton341
11 years ago

I'm going with Vertigo on this one actually. Fallout 3 was neither a true Fallout game, and it was not too RPG akin either, but I will also go onto record as stating that I do love Fallout 3 for what it is.

It is a solid open world FPS with customization aspects. I have not really been too excited about this game though. I never really heard too much about it quite honestly up until recently and Demon's Souls snuffed any and all interest in other games as of late and now that I have it I am realising that I will not really have time for too much else for a great and long amount of time.

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

@ LV and coverton341 – Are you guys for real? Do you think Borderlands is a true RPG? He's comparing his game that is yet to be released saying it is what people want, compared to a game that IS released and has sold millions and won many GotY awards. Go on guys, speak to me about how it didn't live up to the hype.

When a game sells into the millions, yeah, there's going to be a few who don't like it and don't 'get' it, but don't pretend that Gearbox has the right to mouth off about it before they've even released their game. When they have over 5 million in sales for bordeland, THEN they can say "our game is about as good as F3."

About it not being a "true Fallout game." Well that's not what Pitchford is saying is it?

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
11 years ago

@Alienange

Damn, we just got crapped on for no reason. Unless people like the bully approach to propaganda.

On Fallout 3, all that should matter is that it was a good game. MGS4 wasn't exactly like the first so is it a bad thing?


Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 10/7/2009 7:36:04 PM

BTNwarrior
BTNwarrior
11 years ago

This game just reminds me so much of Resistance 2's co-op. And considering that was the best part of that game, this is a must buy for me.

And fallout is only boring when someone else is playing it!

nickert0n
nickert0n
11 years ago

Resistance 2 co-op owns.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

lol !

Won't get this either

HAMCHUNKS
HAMCHUNKS
11 years ago

i wont buy Besthesda's basterd children (yes they did buy the Fallout license from another studio but its ders now lol)

Borderlands looks awful with its points poping rite out of the ppl as u shoot them
i would rather have my buggy FO3 then this rip off thats just more shooter heavy

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Blasphemers. Without dialogue Fallout 3 would have been a waste of time. Anyway this game looks lame but I will keep an open mind and eye out for reviews.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 10/6/2009 10:25:46 PM

The_R0gue_Ninja
The_R0gue_Ninja
11 years ago

I like it when people stir up controversy. By making blatant statements, such as what Randy Pitchford said about taking out the dialogue tree in Fallout 3, mature people actually consider new possibilities.

Fallout 3 really could have used better gunplay, though. It was pretty bad, and V.A.T.S. only sort of made up for it.

The_R0gue_Ninja
The_R0gue_Ninja
11 years ago

So you know, I was not indirectly saying you are immature. I said that mature people consider different possibilities, because if they weren't mature they would immediately crucify anyone with a different opinion instead of listening and discussing other viewpoints.

Just wanted to make sure you knew that. 😛

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

man, im pushin 30 and consider myself pretty mature, and it is also my diagnosis that dialogue integral to a grander story and strategy (such as VATS) cater to a more grown up audience than mindless blasting away. The fact that guns were in the game at all was just an artifact of the story. It wasn't a shooter.

Anyway, shooting ones mouth off isn't mature, its what makes the news when you do it at a town hall. Introducing "new" ideas isn't about stripping away what is vital to the experience.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 10/6/2009 11:08:15 PM

coverton341
coverton341
11 years ago

" I think that game could have been much better if it didn't have a single dialogue tree "

I don't know about you guys but when I read this sentence over and over I see a stark word that it appears a lot of people are over looking and that word is SINGLE.

I am not trying to defend the statement he made but I am trying to look at it from a different point of view. What if, he is saying it could have been much better with a dialog tree that went in a multitude of directions?

Why don't we try and see from more than one perspective instead of a single viewpoint? (See that there?)

The_R0gue_Ninja
The_R0gue_Ninja
11 years ago

That was profound, and really caused me to think. Good insight to a different viewpoint, coverton341. 🙂

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

All of the dialogue trees went in a multitude of directions, are you guys high?

The_R0gue_Ninja
The_R0gue_Ninja
11 years ago

I already have Borderlands per-ordered and fully paid for! The only thing left now. . . is to. . . . . . wait. . . . .

Zemus101
Zemus101
11 years ago

Tell me about it 😛 It's killing me. It's also the only game I'll be able to get until after Christmas, I think the last full priced game I bought was Fallout3 lol I spent over 200 hours into that before trading it in and pre-ordering Borderlands.

The_R0gue_Ninja
The_R0gue_Ninja
11 years ago

That's awesome! The last game I bought for full price was Killzone 2. I only spent about 80+ hours in that game, but I still feel that I got my money's worth.

This holiday season, though, I'm getting four games for the full price. I would usually wait for the price to fall, but these games are simply too good to wait.

1. Uncharted 2
2. Brutal Legend
3. Borderlands
4. Modern Warfare 2

napoleon85
napoleon85
11 years ago

I don't know about this one 'cause I haven't paid enough attention to it. Regarding FO I thought it was boring indeed. I don't know, that's just my opinion. I know there are lots of gamers out there that actually enjoyed it.

The_R0gue_Ninja
The_R0gue_Ninja
11 years ago

I first read about it in GameInformer's September 2007 issue, this was before I had a next-gen console. Borderlands was the first game that made me want to get a PS3. I have been waiting for it for a long time now, and it is only two weeks away!

Has anyone ever heard of the band Further Seems Forever? Well, they're wrong! It should be: "Sooner Seems Forever"!!!

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
11 years ago

I thought Fallout 3 was boring
<_<
>_>

Half the time is spent hunting down the next person to talk to. If i wanted that i'd play Professor Layton.

Borderlands looks pretty sick. Cant wait to get my hands on it.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

lol, don't buy an RPG if you don't want to hunt down the next person to talk to 🙂


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 10/6/2009 11:12:29 PM

Zemus101
Zemus101
11 years ago

I agree. I loved Fallout3 and loved the pacing, didn't find a single thing boring about it. Actually, even after the 100 hour mark and on like ..my 2nd or 3rd character it was still insanely fun blasting away people in different ways, with different weapons.

chucknasty
chucknasty
11 years ago

I thought fallout 3 was worse than boring. I go to take an exam which I assumed would form my character traits and…pencil tap….yeah, fail. Fine I tried to be crappy to my annoyance since I hated to hurt my karma and snuck though.
Then I am outside, with a 10mm hand gun and run into a mole (yes, a radiated mole) and shoot it not once, not twice but three times in THE HEAD!!! and it killls me. Huh?
Keep playing and run into captain-fix-my-pipes. Find hole, can't fix. Fine.
Keep playing (?) and go to store, shoot everyone in the head twelve times or whatever it takes for a 10mm with head shots to kill someone and then get killed by a dog as I leave.
Put game on shelf.
worse game ever.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

@ chuck, its an RPG not a shooter. I'm pretty sure one sword swing would reasonably kill any bad guy in FFVII too, but it didn't for a very good reason. And well, there is this thing called "Difficulty" you could have turned down.

*sigh* Some people's kids…

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

The guy got killed by a radiated mole… You can't take his impression of this game seriously after that comment.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Maybe Borderlands will change things and I will sing its praises some day but right now I don't think Cell shading belongs in a serious FPS.

Zemus101
Zemus101
11 years ago

That's why I'm interested in Borderlands (well one of the reasons) they aren't afraid of doing something different for an FPS (which I already played KZ2, that's enough FPS for me for awhile, not really a fan of FPS so much) also they aren't afraid of going up against the big boys this holiday season.

It's also not cell shading, it's an art style that strongly resembles their concept art and I really like it, much better than if it was bland and had no color.


Last edited by Zemus101 on 10/6/2009 11:31:39 PM

nickert0n
nickert0n
11 years ago

I'm interested to see an FPS in cell shaded look. One of the reasons I liked playing Crackdown was the amount of detail you saw with Cell Shading.

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

@ Zemus101 – Uh … You ARE aware that Borderlands is a FPS? If you've had enough of fps then maybe you should pass on this?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

nope, you guys are insane, cell belongs to rpgs and stuff like Jet Grind Radio. Mark my words.

Kevadu
Kevadu
11 years ago

He's basically saying he doesn't like RPGs, which is fine. Not everyone has to like RPGs. But why knock one of the best RPGs of this generation just for being an RPG?

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

Actually it consistently gets knocked by RPG lovers for not being a true RPG. Course the biggest crime the game committed was not being a true Fallout game, that aspect of it really pissed me off.

Corak
Corak
11 years ago

@Vertigo:
Exactly my thoughts.
Except maybe the fact that I LOVE fallout 1 & 2(!!!) so much that I couldn't go on playing Fallout 3 after about three hours of try really hard to like it.
Its not Fallout; its a Shooter with a few stats and a cheat button.
I have high hopes for Borderlands 'cause it does say it is a shooter with RPG elements.

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

Oh yes, the old "F3 is not a true Fallout game" argument. Funny how you never hear why. According to those l33t gamers who think it's cool to bash a blockbuster, it's "just not." Wow! What an argument!

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

@Alienange

You've been around the block before and if you've played 1 and 2 than I'm not going to waste my time listing obvious differences since you hate me. But I'll give you one of the things that pissed me off.

You can't kill children in Fallout3

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Sorry guys but I have Brotherhood of Steel on xbox and it is just so much lameness compared to what goes on in Fallout 3 I can't even begin to explain. Bad argument. And the only reason people say it isn't a "true" RPG is because it is a Western RPG. Which are held in less esteem than a solid JRPG affair.

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

@ LV – I hate you? No, last time we spoke it was YOU that was swearing at ME. You don't remember? Anyways, your point is valid, you can't kill children, but I don't feel that makes this game "not Fallout."

___________
___________
11 years ago

boring?
wow, you gotta be kidding me.
i loved fallout 3 and to this day its the only RPG i actually like.
even the game freezing every hour and me having to reset my ps3 was not enough to stop me from playing it.
arrogance like this is what puts me off buying a game, if you expect me to buy borderlands i suggest you stop running your mouth off.
i hate developers these days, they have become so full of themselves its not funny.
if your games good GREAT let the game speak for itself.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

The only RPG you like?

Well your credibility just went out the window.

Gabriel013
Gabriel013
11 years ago

I really enjoyed the 'take your time' pacing of Fallout 3. If this is more frantic then I'll give it a miss.

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

i love fallout3. true rpg or not. its the best ive played.

fair enough borderlands is in competition with fallout but dnt talk shit till uve sold more copies then fo3.

piratedrunk
piratedrunk
11 years ago

I got Fallout 3 collectors edition at a wicked sale at EB in July. About a week ago I traded the game in for $40 and now I'm up $10 and a lunchbox. sweet deal, boring game. RPGs are my games of choice but I could not get into it at all. If this is similar I won't be picking it up

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
11 years ago

Apart from the fathat Falout 3 has some of the best dialouge/ voice actors in a game…. They even had Liam Neeson!

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

Wing Commander FTW

slayerkillemall
slayerkillemall
11 years ago

I've been Following this game since 2007,before the Cartoonish Grephics?

I played a little of Fallout 2 on a friends pc,and he also got fo3,its like day and night.

this game might be fun if its cheap,but is it worth $60 ?….we will see…

DGo8
DGo8
11 years ago

RAGE will be better then this i think.