Someone needs to explain this to me: how exactly are so-called "journalists" putting up articles that are comparing Forza 3 to the demo that is nearly two years old ? What's even the purpose of such a ridiculous comparison, besides to simply promote Forza 3 ?  Come on .

Look, Prologue may very well be the largest and most impressive demo of a full game we've ever seen, but comparing it to the final Forza 3 product is entirely absurd. Polyphony Digital's Kazunori Yamauchi has often said that Prologue isn't exactly indicative of the final GT5 product, and furthermore, the sheer difference in content is enough to make me balk at any such comparison. And yet, with the impending launch of Forza 3 , I see a whole lot of people who wish to up the sales of the title by saying it's better than – I repeat – a freakin' demo . I suppose the argument is that the demo will be exactly like GT5, but it only takes about 10 minutes of research to realize how idiotic that particular belief is, and in short, nobody should bother with the editorials in question. The best we can do at this point is to examine the available content in the racing competitors; you can see the latest information from our Tokyo Game Show coverage and after checking both games, I'd say GT5 has the definite edge in terms of content. But beyond that, I'm not about to make any other claims.

Why? Because I haven't played GT5 and I'm not braindead enough to believe that Prologue can – in any way – be compared to a final Forza 3 product. I love simulated racers and I'm perfectly willing to give Forza 3 a chance, but just two quick things: 1. Turn 10 should probably shut their big mouths when it comes to boasting, because they haven't proven a damn thing yet. No Forza installment yet has been able to favorably compete with a GT entry. Confidence is one thing; to talk big like you're the king of the hill – when you never have been – is nothing more than adolescent posturing. Knock it off; it's annoying. And 2. Kazunori Yamauchi may know more about cars and racing than the entire damn Turn 10 studio combined; that may be an exaggeration, but we're talking about a guy who had a direct hand in creating one of the world's most impressive and accessible supercars (the Nissan GT-R). And the amount of work put into GT5 in the past few years is…well, look it up. It's downright epic.

So I think my final point should be obvious: feel free to compare Gran Turismo 5 and Forza 3 when both are sitting on store shelves. Please, for the love of God, don't make yourselves look silly by comparing a full, finalized product to a demo . Just stop . It's embarrassing from a gaming journalist standpoint.

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TubbyUrchin
TubbyUrchin
11 years ago

You'd think people would be smart enough to know that's not a fair fight.

King James
King James
11 years ago

On the contrary, I just got though pwning some xbot that said the same thing. And his support was an article that said Forza 3 had better track and environment detail than Prologue . Too bad he stopped reading after that because the rest of the article went on to say how everything else looked better on Prologue.

EddPm6
EddPm6
11 years ago

FORZA IS A JOKE! thats all.

Charger7302
Charger7302
11 years ago

I hope your not talking about Forza 3 becuase anyone who is not a fanboy, can easily tell you that Forza 3 is ganna be legitimate competion for Gran Turismo 5. If the game plays just as well as the demo then we are looking at a game that MAY finally take the crown away from Gran Turismo.

Naga
Naga
11 years ago

I believe that Forza 3 is really bad & overated, that isn't being a Sony fanboy thats having a preference !!

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
11 years ago

@Charger

Yes, he is talking about Forza 3 and understandably so. If Gran Turismo's gameplay is anything like their recent demos are than they will UNDOUBTEDLY smoke Forza. Period. GT is photorealistic whereas Forza is nice but there is not a moment that you forget that your looking at a game.

Diggity Dan
Diggity Dan
11 years ago

Forza = The "Sam's Choice" version of GT5

OtisFeelgood
OtisFeelgood
11 years ago

LOL @ Diggity Dan

So true.

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
11 years ago

O' man to think I almost wasted my money on a 360…Well, their demo of Forza is out and here is the "earth shattering" damage that everyone has been b*tchin about….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eByftWg6n7A&NR=1

Notice how every car looks drivable…not like it should of looked…

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/r8/r8_20080501_003.shtml


Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 9/28/2009 9:25:46 AM

SkantDragon
SkantDragon
11 years ago

I'm certainly a GT fan. And I'd say that GT is definitely the more realistic of the two games.

But I wouldn't call Forza a joke. That's fanboyism really. Just because Forza may not be as good doesn't mean it sucks.

In fact, I'm very glad that GT has a competitor nipping at its heels. GT was starting to become lax before Forza came on the scene. Competition is producing great games here.

Re: The damage video from Forza above… yeah. Not very impressive. I hope GT will model it more realistically. That collision should have completely obliterated both cars into tiny fragments.

Polyphony has a problem to deal with there, however, in that very few players could actually handle real damage physics. They may yell that they want it, but be careful what you wish for. What appears to be a very slight tap in the game would disable most sports cars.

mustang750r
mustang750r
11 years ago

Prologue is was that awesome that's why.

How many "demos" (I see it as a beta you can keep playing) do you know that can stand up to full fledged games?? Only 1, GT5P.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

They think Prologue's a full game lol

godsman
godsman
11 years ago

It's the only demo that can pull it off and sell for 40 bucks, yet still sell over 3 million copies.

Titch1794
Titch1794
11 years ago

What they said ^^ ^^ 😉

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

Oh! Let's compare a demo tape (music wise) to the final version

The difference in quality is huge.

I know Prologue is an IMPRESSIVE demo, but if these "journalists" have a brain they'll understand that it's just a demo.

Just you wait, GT5 will raep the crap out of these SUPERFICIAL racing franchises:

Including Need For Speed which has always failed in Gran Turismo's presence.

ThePearlJamer
ThePearlJamer
11 years ago

Playing Forza vs. GT is like going outside to watch children play around on those crappy plastic "Big-Wheels" while you have a Maserati parked in the driveway

Deathstriker
Deathstriker
11 years ago

i agree forza 2 alone makes me laugh i watch my friend play it…and its like epicly fail to see him say "THIS IS AS CLOSE TO REALISM AS YOUR GONNA GET" im like…lol sell your xbox and get a job cause you dont know what real is…

mexgeo86
mexgeo86
11 years ago

GT has earned the reputation that it has. Forza should not say anything and just let sales do the talking; in which case when GT5 hits it'll be fact which is the better product

archs13
archs13
11 years ago

need for speed hot pursuit games > forza

seriously, forza 3 being real?

Naga
Naga
11 years ago

Ridge Racer?

Deathstriker
Deathstriker
11 years ago

LMFAO…

Jiggy
Jiggy
11 years ago

I agree fully that FORZA sucks, I owned the first one and it was downright horrible. But I am worried about GT because I've seen several videos of the damage modeling and its not that pretty. Granted there is a lot of time until release, but I would have rather Poly left the damage out and made the game that much prettier.

Mamills
Mamills
11 years ago

THANK YOU BEN!!
you have no idea how many ppl think prologue is gran turismo 5 i dunno whether to laugh at the stupidity or to be angry. (mainly because prologue is a demo and they comparing it to a full title is pretty funny)
(THAT MUST BE ONE HELL OF A DEMO, EITHER THAT OR FORZA SUCKS!!)
but anyways
anyone who has half a brain would know GT5 will be ridiculously insane.
and dun get worked up by turn 10
they just need some attention to sell their little game.
(Emphasis on LITTLE, GO AHEAD AND COMPARE TO PROLOGUE)

MWHAHAHAHA

b3mike
b3mike
11 years ago

It's just Sony bashing that's all it is. In the minds of the 360 contingent, this is as close to Gran Turismo as they're going to get without actually supporting Sony by buying a Ps3 due to their sheer fanboyism. Or at least they trick themselves into thinking it's as good as Gran Turismo for this same reason.

BeezleDrop
BeezleDrop
11 years ago

GT5 will be perfection, but comparing a full game to a "demo"? And the demo is still tons better? Wow, hahahaha

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
11 years ago

They're comparing it because even GT5P > Forza 3 XD

Sir Shak
Sir Shak
11 years ago

Message to Dan Greenawalt : If my game was being compared to a two year old glorified demo , I'd be embarrassed .

I mean no disrespect to Forza fans , the game will probably be great but certain people at Turn 10 need to STFU .

godsman
godsman
11 years ago

I hope GT5 won't have the feature to freeze time and rewind. That is the dumbest thing to do for a racing game.

mexgeo86
mexgeo86
11 years ago

Indeed, if they claim to be a simulator, there's no 2nd chances in a race. I saw a video of that and thought, 'wtf you can't rewind'. I also didn't like how they have guided paths to show you how to take curves. GT only does that for License tests which is appropriate. You can't call it a simulator and then add all these 'lifelines'

HOODGE
HOODGE
11 years ago

Played the Demo of Forza 3 on my crapbox and all I can say is (and even comparing it to Prologue for Graphics and Physics)it SUCKS. EPIC FAIL TURN 10!! As a PC sim fan as well, FM3 is nothing more than an arcade/sim racer. Not much difference in the feel of the definitive physics and tire flex is a gimmick in that game at best. The cars still seem like they have no weight. If you touch or get tapped lightly a certain way, you fly off just like FM2, so very little rubbing can you get away with. And the R3 Porsche 911 still drives like a non racing car on slicks. Fishtail city.

What a joke. Dan Greenwalt, if you read this at all which I doubt as everyone here will tell you you are a joke and a liar at best. You definitive racing game that has the best graphics, physics than any other game is a load of bull. Hell Need for Speed Shift is better looking than FM3 and even tho it has some arcade aspects to it, the physics own Forza.

I hate how Microsoft always has to be a b**** to their competition and consumers. I have yet to hear KZ from Polyphony go on record and say anything about Forza 3 at all. He doesn't have to. He knows GT5 will be the best SIMULATOR out there. And yes I capitilized it because GT5 is a true Simulator. Forza 3 is a RACING VIDEO GAME with a pinch of Grid and PGR mixed into it.

KZ on GTPlanet.net had reporters he invited to his studio, and I noticed he had a 360 set up in one of the pics. I'm sure he tried the FM3 demo and laughed at all the hype Turn 10 and Dan Greenwalt gave their game. Hell I don't think he even cares about all the bullcrap talk out there. FM3 has maxed the 360, and Prologue still owns it…That's funny.

And as for all the complainer whining about the launch date next March, don't even think about it. So what if the game is entering it's 6 yr in development. It's going to be epic, and the shoddy 2 yrs Turn 10 took to make their next Forza definately shows. It's not much of a giant leap forward. Hell the cars don't even look like the 10 times more polygon count Dan was bragging about.

Once GT5 comes out, Forza 3 will be forgotten and all those 360 fanboys will be pissing in their pants and running to buy a PS3 for GT5. INEVITABLE!! Rant over….

Mamills
Mamills
11 years ago

Atta boy!

PREACH!!!

Jawknee
Jawknee
11 years ago

I have a buddy who's planning on getting a PS3 soon. He also wants Forza 3. I told him to wait for GT5. He said no. Lol

I'll never understand those who like to throw their money away on subpar games when there's a better one available for the same price. O.o

eLLeJuss
eLLeJuss
11 years ago

Well, if i wanted a racing game i wouldnt wait like a year or two to get the best one. ill probably buy the best one thats out to quench my thrist 🙂

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

GT5 will be played for YEARS

Forza will be played 'till the next Arcady racing game *cough* Need for Speed, PGR, or Grid *cough* comes out.

Ricochet
Ricochet
11 years ago

PROLOGUE? I COULD'VE SWORN THE COMPARISON WAS FROM GT:HD CONCEPTS!


Last edited by Ricochet on 9/27/2009 11:24:21 PM

godsman
godsman
11 years ago

Thumb me down if you like guys, but I think Gran Turismo PSP "should" be a good representation of GT5. Because:

1. Even though gran turismo PSP has been mentioned for a while, but the team has been diligently working on GT5 for the last couple years, I don't think they have the resource to do something completely different.

2. The PSP version is supposed to have connectivity between GT and GT5. The game modes, cars, tracks should be identical.

I think GT should retain at least 80% of the game in GT5, (except the graphics). Which is a good thing, if GT got 80/100, GT5 should be a 100/100.

Banky A
Banky A
11 years ago

I don't know why there were 5 thumbs down.

But all I can say it that GT5 will have a full GT Mode – just like the good ol' days.

Kangasfwa
Kangasfwa
11 years ago

I think I'd be embarrassed as a developer if my final game was being compared to a two year old demo by a significant number of people.

Ultimate_Balla
Ultimate_Balla
11 years ago

LOL @ The guy that wrote an essay 2 comments up. Anyway, like i keep saying, no 2 player-plus on one console, then it is a no-purchase for me. . .

Jawknee
Jawknee
11 years ago

Weren't they compairing Forza 2 to GT5P not too long ago?

Pathetic Failza 2 sold less them a glorified demo. ha!

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

I have no problem with someone comparing Forza 3 to Prologue, the fact that Prologue (a 2 year old demo) holds its own against a full fledged game touted as the 360's GT killer speaks volumes.

Jawknee
Jawknee
11 years ago

GT killer. That's funny.

Douchebaguette
Douchebaguette
11 years ago

Touché!

fundando
fundando
11 years ago

$40 for a demo you guys are ridiculous.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

They're not forcing anyone…

Charger7302
Charger7302
11 years ago

@ scarecrow
"they are not forcing anyone", the same can be said about Halo ODST, yet so many keep bashing Bungie for that one.

P.S i'm not justiying the fact that the are over-pricing some DLC pack, just that it really gets to me when people try to back-up their arguement with a statement like yours yet when it comes to other things they completely turn on what they said in the first place. Seems to be happenng alot lately in the world of console fanboys…….


Last edited by Charger7302 on 9/28/2009 1:23:32 AM

SkantDragon
SkantDragon
11 years ago

@Charger7302: I see your point. But I think GT5P is something of a special case. GT has always been this game where there's so much put into it, it's amazing they sell it for only $50-60.

If there was no such thing as the 'full GT5', GT5P _would_ stand on its own as a complete game and compare favorably to other racers on the market.

And yet the delta between GT5P and the full GT5 is a massive chasm.

It's really actually nothing like Halo 3 versus Halo ODST. ODST is a re-release of essentially the same game with only a couple of changes.

The relationship between GT5P and GT5 isn't actually similar at all. Starting with the fact that everyone knows up front that GT5P is an 'in between' release. It's represented honestly as exactly what it is. And it exists for hardcore GT fans who want to get their hands on some version of the next GT early. Anyone who scoffs at it as an expensive demo need not buy it and just wait for the full GT5.

Buyers of Halo 3 didn't have that. All they got was 'Surprise! Please buy Halo 3 from us again. We added a new mode.'

SkantDragon
SkantDragon
11 years ago

GT5P is not a demo. Please stop calling it a demo. It's a retail game.

However, the prologues are not full blown Gran Turismo games either. They are unique in being something more than a demo but less than the full game.

You're absolutely right to point out that comparing Forza 3 to GT5 _Prologue_ is just sad though. It's like comparing two professional boxers by saying 'Oh yeah! He could totally beat up the other guy's 12 year old daughter.'

Forza has never been the equal of Gran Turismo. I happen to be an amateur racer in RL. I race a Corvette. And I've had the pleasure of running Laguna Seca in RL, in Gran Turismo, and in Forza.

Gran Turismo's representation of that experience is not perfect, but it's eerily close. Mostly, there are just aspects GT doesn't simulate… like the effects of brakes heating up. Whatever GT does simulate, it simulates well.

Forza's representation, on the other hand, is pretty far off. The development team doesn't seem to understand rear wheel drive vehicles and for some reason thinks that wheel spin should cause the car to alternately kick left and right among other weirdness. There are a number of things wrong in its physics simulation which people who haven't actually raced in RL might think feel realistic, but are very much not.

Oh, and graphically, Forza's Laguna Seca doesn't even look like Laguna Seca. It's barely recognizable as Laguna Seca.

There was only one thing that impressed me about Forza… the sound. The sound in Forza is way better than Gran Turismo. Forza's Corvettes rumble and roar like real vettes. Where as GT's Corvettes sound like whiny 4 cylinder engines for some reason. And it's not just the engine sounds. Forza really has it in the sound department. Polyphony, for whatever reason, has never seemed to take sound very seriously.

In every other category, however, it's GT all the way.

Fane1024
Fane1024
11 years ago

I'm amused how people (not specifically Ben) will insist Prologue isn't a demo when others complain about "paying $40 for a demo", but they will insist it is a demo when others compare it (supposedly unfavourably) to a full retail game.

They sold it in stores for more than most portable games. It's a full game, not a demo. HD Concept was a demo.

Skant has it right: it's a special case.

It is stupid, however, to compare Forza 3 to Prologue. I guess it's the only comparison they THINK that they can "win".


Last edited by Fane1024 on 9/28/2009 2:08:37 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
11 years ago

You're both wrong. It is a DEMO for Gran Turismo 5. Because it's sold in stores is entirely irrelevant; it's an early sampling of a finalized product, plain and simple. This is exact definition of a "demo."