I've written pieces dedicated to similar topics in the past; the surprisingly hostile attacks between the so-called "fanboys" of our industry is one example, but I've noticed something else lately: it's not just fanboys and haters…seemingly, it's almost everyone involved. What's going on?

If you are a frequenter of various enthusiast forums around the Internet, you will notice something disturbing. There are message boards dedicated to just about anything, ranging from lawnmower racing to hardcore reptile lovers. Obviously, the people who contribute to such places are fans of the subject in question, so one would assume that everyone would – for the most part – get along swimmingly. Such places are often great for inside information, chatting with those who share a passion, etc. However, one notices a marked difference when visiting the standard video game forum, and it doesn't seem to matter where it is or what they're talking about: hostility is the dominant form of expression.

A while back, I attributed this to nothing more than age. When you get a bunch of pre-teens and teens together who can't be seen or heard through a video screen, and who likely have massive inferiority/superiority complexes due to being social outcasts, it's inevitable. But we've gotten to a point in this industry where the average age of a gamer is approaching 35 years of age (I'm 30 myself), and things aren't getting better…they're actually getting worse . If someone disagrees these days, the very first reply is so loaded with venom and hatred, it's almost impossible to believe that both people supposedly enjoy the same hobby. I've often thought the haters must abhor picking up a controller; they despise everything they see, just because they're "l33t" and know more than every developer and critic on earth. Hence, they only see every negative facet of the production and in turn, focus only on the negatives when dealing with a person.

But why is this happening so often? Has everyone accepted hatred as the common basis for communication when video games are discussed on the Internet? There's no respect, constant suspicion, a recurring and childish belief that "I know more than you" and in general, it's like watching one giant bashfest. Some will say in defense of this behavior that it's "all in fun," but I fail to locate the amusement. Even so-called journalists – or the bloggers posing as journalists, and who, in all actuality, haven't left their mother's basement – are routinely insulting everything they see. Obviously, this could be considered a standard marketing tactic, as they must've noticed that hostility is the only thing gamers recognize anymore. There's only one final aspect to this that confuses me: if you get all these people in a room together, you'd expect it to erupt in a brawl, but instead, they'd all stand there, avoiding glances and looking at shoelaces. Why? Because they're little more than children in semi-adult bodies.

Really, this has to stop. Normally, I don't mind telling people what I do for a living, but it's getting to the point where I don't want them to do any research of their own. All they'll find is the most vile, disgusting, unappealing group of "fans" they've ever had the misfortune to see blast away at each other on a screen. It's just plain embarrassing. All I can say is, "stick to PSXE where we just don't allow any of that, and yet, still seem to get plenty of Comments." It's not impossible to control, but you do have to be diligent and it appears as if we're the only site in existence that remains mostly breezy, civil and laid-back. This isn't a veiled promotion; it's just a statement of fact- for the most part, gamers only wish to attack one another when online, and it isn't helping this industry's image. It really, really isn't. Congratulations on giving more ammunition to the anti-game activists who say violence in video games causes adverse behavior.

If it doesn't, something must be causing this…

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Jed
Jed
11 years ago

shut up yu facking retar. If I were where you where I should pwn yer azz. U R such a n00b. xbox the sh*t an u no it.

That summerizes about half of the gaming sites on the internet. That is why I only pay attention to this site and a very small list of others. The idiots that leave hostile comments are bad, but the people that act like they are journalists are the worst. I wish more websites would take care of the community like you guys do.

shadowpal2
shadowpal2
11 years ago

seriously…you have to think whether or not these people actually have money invested in these companies to have so much hate in this troubled economy.

But of course….99% of them DON'T, because they can't even make enough to get their clothes cleaned at the laundromat. (Assuming that is…that most of them do live in a basement, which again…is VERY LIKELY)

(sigh!)…it sickens me.


Last edited by shadowpal2 on 6/15/2009 7:21:34 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

While what you say is clearly true and I haven't the slightest idea why it's there I think we need only point to the latest soccer riot to see that it's universal with fans.

What I'd really like to discuss is how this behavior has spread like wildfire to developers and publishers themselves. How are gamers to react when the developers openly or in a veiled manner bash on another competing game. Of course it'll get fanboys in an uproar and purists pointing out the most infinitesimal details that makes one better than the other. I swear they might have to have the CEOs of MS and Sony just duke it out in the ring to solve this thing!


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 6/14/2009 11:17:14 PM

Kowhoho
Kowhoho
11 years ago

I was actually around to see a soccer riot in Switzerland once! Everybody had to take shelter in the hotel! Funny stuff. Funny to anyone not stuck between a rioter carrying a trash can and the electronics store window their about to break, that is!


Last edited by Kowhoho on 6/14/2009 11:38:56 PM

King James
King James
11 years ago

LOL. I can see the ads for the fight now:

"The rumble for your Rumble-controller!!"
"The thriller for your home theatre!!"
"The fight for first!"

Who will claim victory in this epic battle royale and be crowned the GRAND PWNER of the video game industry?! 3 company CEOs go in! Only one will leave! It will be a RRoD! Only theres no warranty to save them now! Who will win?

Dial 1-888-GO-NINTY to vote for Nintendo
Dial 1-888-RROD-DEM for Microsoft
Dial 1-888-PS-4-EVER for Sony

Call Pay-Per-View for pricing.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

So true
So freaking true

You also just reminded me why I always liked Sony, Sega, and Nintendo going at it.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

haha, that's some good stuff King James.

WolfCrimson
WolfCrimson
11 years ago

loooooooooool, pure win, king james 😛

PSNclaw18
PSNclaw18
11 years ago

I also believe that when the hardware developers themselves do that bashing and trash talk (ahem M$) that it trickles down to the masses. I'm sure the people out there are consciously or subconsciously thinking, "well, if M$ is doing it, then it must be all right" or the "thing to do."

Orvisman
Orvisman
11 years ago

You're right. Any wonder why it is mostly 360 fans who start the bulk of flame wars?

NiteKrawler
NiteKrawler
11 years ago

Super lols from King James.

Rottness
Rottness
11 years ago

Though I see the valid point that PSNclaw18 makes about "**** rolling down hill" from the large companies, I have to respectfully disagree (since that is what this whole article was about) with Orvisman that Xbox fans are the instigators of "most" of the hostility. In my experience across the internet Fanboys of any of the 3 systems are equally as likely to start spouting some inflammatory comments which only cause more and more people to hop on the band wagon. This really is an absurd situation that we are in. I love playing video games. I have loved them since I was little playing the NES. And, for the most part, I love playing them on every system… i would bet that if you gave a "fanboy" of any system a honestly good game for them to play they would like it. I mean that is what this whole industry is all about right, the games? Why does it matter which system is the best when really the games are what mater?

(I know I kinda went off on 2 different topics there)

King James
King James
11 years ago

Hmmm…What made you right this Ben? U see or read something?

I agree. I dont mind ppl disagreeing with me. I don't mind ppl telling me I'm wrong. Why? Because I always think before I speak (or in the case type). That means that I took the time to form an educated, strong opinion about these games.

We all game. We all like to do it. We don't have to agree on everything. We can agree to disagree. Isn't that right, Vertigo or Wolf or Alienage? lol.

PSXE FTW


Last edited by King James on 6/14/2009 11:22:27 PM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

I come here to read about games and inform myself a little based on others comments. I personally think Ben's overreacting. I assume this because he felt the need to sit down and write an article about it. People are selfish by nature, of course there are going to be mean spirited posts full of ignorance. Welcome to the internet.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

@ Vertigo, I don't think dude's overreacting for the simple reason that it's getting worse every generation. I know there have always been console wars but Sega Vs Ninty back in the day is nothing like the hatred between Sony and MS fans this go around. I swear someone is gonna get killed soon.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

Several people were killed during the PS2's early years. People have died every generation due to video game related situations. Just because the internet has grown to allow for more people to vent their hate towards those with different viewpoints does not mean it's time to worry. People have been ignorant and selfish since well humans can remember, I don't see what the big deal is.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
11 years ago

@KingJames,
Amen to that!
I could care less if someone disagrees with another.
But when a few trolls just have to add in something about "You're all idiots cause you don't like it", like a few trolls have done in the past, then I will call them on it.

Now with that said, I %&%$^%& hate all $&^%#^$% consoles, except for the one I own!
OH WAIT, I already own almost all of them, LOL

King James
King James
11 years ago

And of course Vertigo…I disagree. I think Ben & PSXE is rarely rated at all. Therefore, underrated.

lol, U guys just reminded me about the "Xbox killer" joke they did on The Boondocks.

Thats some colorful swearing right there BikerSaint.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

@King James

"And of course Vertigo…I disagree. I think Ben & PSXE is rarely rated at all. Therefore, underrated."

Not quite sure I understand what you're getting at. I love this site and it's in my top 3 game sites I go to every day. I find myself posting on here far more since there seem to be more educated people when it comes to gaming and I like that. I was not meaning to undermine Ben or this site at all with my post, I simply thought related to the thread topic that he was overreacting. That's all.

::hugs::

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Well I've heard of people dying due to stolen consoles etc, but never from a straight out fanboy argument.

Alienange
Alienange
11 years ago

Sorry for being late to the party but yeah ! Agree to disagree and all that! Because fans won't agree on every game, but sooner or later they do agree on one and suddenly they're the best of friends. Ask Jawknee… no wait bad example.

kokoro
kokoro
11 years ago

One thing that I find interesting is that almost all forms of fanboyism seem to be centred on (or stem from) the xbox. I don't really recall such hostily being present during the PS1/N64 era. One thing that may have allowed this to grow is Microsoft's constant verbal attacks against Sony.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

Exactly!

That generation was more of a rivalry
Now it's just sheer stupidity

Doosharm
Doosharm
11 years ago

I agree. But the weird thing to me is that it seems to extend so far beyond that even. I have Yahoo! as my home page and any time I see video game info on there I make sure to check it out. 9 times out of 10 the article is completly bashing Sony or heavily promoting Microsoft. Being a PS3 owner I can honestly say that I am completely satisfied with the product. The only people I ever see complain about the PS3 are people who don't own it. Is everybody on Microsoft's payroll?

Superman915
Superman915
11 years ago

is that ann coulter?

Schmitty
Schmitty
11 years ago

you cant credit ann coulter with an opinion because everything she says is just…wrong

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Ah, don't bring up Coltergheist!


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 6/15/2009 12:14:31 AM

Kowhoho
Kowhoho
11 years ago

I'm a lover, not a hater. Personally, when I see angry replies like the ones you're talking about I just shave my head.
The most recent angry rant I've read was this:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/i-write-letters.html


Last edited by Kowhoho on 6/14/2009 11:41:45 PM

Jed
Jed
11 years ago

you probly spend a lot on razors

Kowhoho
Kowhoho
11 years ago

lol, jed.
I meant shake of course.

Jed
Jed
11 years ago

😉

wow, I just checked out that link, unbelievable. They all seem like angry people just looking for something to rant about.

one thing that is always amusing to me is when xbots start talking about the reliability of the ps2 and ps3.


Last edited by Jed on 6/15/2009 12:07:09 AM

tes37
tes37
11 years ago

That's a very funny typo. Lol Kowhoho!

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 years ago

@jed : Your comment is considered flame bait at many forums that are trying to clean up the hate. You do no justice to yourself this site making comments like that.

Kowhoho
Kowhoho
11 years ago

@Cueil
Read the article on that site and you'll know what he means. This lady is obviously a very angry person and I personally think that her own personal issues are influencing her hatred for Fat Princess (the greatest thing since sliced bread). And the finger is just tacky.

Jed
Jed
11 years ago

@Cueil

I do believe that more of the hostile crowd are pro xbox. The people posting on that link were bashing sony about anything they could think of. I was pointing out how they talk about the reliability of the ps2, a problem that was fixed. Then they go off and promote the 360, which STILL has horrible reliability problems that it had when it launched.

It is just more evidence that some people will bring up ridiculous arguments just to start a stink.

TheUglyBassist
TheUglyBassist
11 years ago

You wanna see fanboys? Check out either MGS Rising board on gamefaqs. It's horrible. One side goes on about how the game will blow because it's multiplat now while the other side says something around the lines of 'that's one less game the ps3 can hold on to'. It's ridiculous, it really is.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
11 years ago

I'll say this, Nintendo fans were more fun or at least INTERESTING to be around compared to xbox fans

Heck even the Sega fans were more 'bout the games and less 'bout omg your console sucks I hate Sony.

It was more friendly competition more than anything.

With xbox fans it's as if they signed a contract to bash anything that's not 360-based.

The biggest reason why I see 360 fanboys bash the ps3 and its users is:

-The fact that the ps3 is the better console, hardware wise, software wise.

***coupled by the fact that they refuse to pay slightly more for it

They think that sending their console back every 4 months is more fun.

I'm ok if someone can't buy the ps3, their loss. But when they attack it it's like, why?

Probably because they're not satisfied with their console? Yes, that's probably the answer

Now, there are also ps3 fanboys. But for the most part they're just telling the truth. The 360 is less powerful(ps2 fans accepted the xbox being more powerful), dies on you every 4 months, and has no exclusives outside of the usual Halos and a few other third party exclusives.

I seriously don't get why they feel the need to compare consoles though.

Personally I just prefer the ps3 but what ultimately drives me is the games. I can't wait 'till Uncharted(beautiful game), Gran Turismo 5('nuff said), GOWIII, etc.

PS: It doesn't get any worse than Gamestop, that place is the bowels of gaming, literally

Jed
Jed
11 years ago

I had a sega when I was a kid and my friend had a snes. I was always like, "wow I want to get one of those" and my friend was the same way about my sega. we didnt argue about which was better, we just dreamed of having both.

Jiggy
Jiggy
11 years ago

Correction…Its more like replace your console every 2 to 3 months or, in my case, every freakin' month… After they sent me 2 bad ones in a row…guess what happened to the next working one I got? Heheh. Someone got screwed at gamestop lol

Qwarktast1c
Qwarktast1c
11 years ago

fanboys will pass up fun games just cause they hate the other system

i only pass up games on other systems because i wont spend money on another system for one or two games

if i want to play a 360 game, i'll just play it on my brothers

wii, well idk, but man i do wanna play mario galaxy 2!! reminds me of mario 64 🙂

also it's funny how Xbox fanboys in the last generation gloated about how their system had more power and better graphics, which it did most of the time, but now are very defensive about their, in truth, less powerful console

Qwarktast1c
Qwarktast1c
11 years ago

whoops, i didnt notice that i had replied to this comment… i meant to make it my own

sorry if anybody reads and wonders about that

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
11 years ago

Same as arguments between insecure men, if you know what I mean…

360 fans realise they're console is going the way of the dodo earlier than once thought, so now they resort to any verbal abuse they can muster to defend it

sticklife
sticklife
11 years ago

I think it may come down to people not wanting to be wrong. When you're wrong you look less smart. so when people buy something whether it be a new game or system or anything really, people want to believe they did not make a bad decision. You don't often hear someone bash something they own. (oh yeah I am a bit of a sony fan boy but I'm not stupid(maybe with spelling and grammar))

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

I wasn't aware this was an issue no longer solved by simply ignoring comments one doesn't find relevant.

Jed
Jed
11 years ago

It is a problem when people visit a website to research a product and see all the hostility. It makes all gamers and anyone else that posts on the site look like a nine-year old with a serious complex.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

So what you're saying is people are too stupid to simply understand there will be negative comments regardless of where they go and will instantly surmise that a site is worthless based on a few ignorant comments? I seem to have a little more hope in the average person.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

We're saying it makes the site a piece of sh*t by default, forums used to be more civil, could you just ignore a bunch of hate graffiti on the side of the stores you visit, your workplace, your house?


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 6/15/2009 12:27:58 AM

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
11 years ago

@WorldEndsWithMe

Hate graffiti on the side of my house would be a little more evident, obvious, and personal than what Ben is alleging. I'm not saying there aren't mean spirited remarks but it's nowhere near as bad as some of you seem to make it out to be. These so called "fanboy" rants have not impeded my use of the internet whatsoever.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

They impede my enjoying sites that I used to enjoy, that's for damn sure.

Zemus101
Zemus101
11 years ago

Yeah, I don't even read comments on other sites anymore. Way too much hate going around, I'm pretty sick of it. It might not bother some people, but obviously it bothers others (Hence why Ben wrote the article for one) I'll just stick to this site and occasionally the PS Blog.