For a while, there was some talk about Left 4 Dead coming to the PlayStation 3, but developer Valve is well known for their dislike of and aversion to Sony's machine.

Now, early on, developers did indeed have a problem with the PS3 (as they do with every new PlayStation). But since that time, we've seen some pretty amazing productions that have arguably outstripped that of anything on the Xbox 360 ( Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots , Killzone 2 ), and third-party developers have finally come to terms with the console. But Valve simply isn't interested in "coming to terms;" said game designer Tom Leonard to Loot Ninja :

"The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform. […] I didn’t come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun."

Okay, we're just going to call BS right here and now. Sorry, we're aware this is a news story, but it's based upon personal opinion so we believe we're entitled. You know what the preceding is? A lot of words for the statement, "We're lazy." And on a personal note, I have never been all that impressed with what Valve has done; one or two good games every 73 years doesn't make you a prolific developer, and as much as I want to play Left 4 Dead , I've got other – and potentially better – options. And you know what? Most of 'em are on the PS3.

So you know what, Valve? We don't care. Just keep trying to convince all the other talented developers in the world that you're something special when you're the only so-called "legendary" studio that can't seem to get a handle on the PS3. We're just bored, so we'll leave you back in 1998 where you belong.

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Victor321
Victor321
12 years ago

Nicely Said. There's always gotta one black sheep in the happy flock of white ones.

I also wasn't implying racism. Sorry if anyone took it that way.

KING313
KING313
12 years ago

ur cool dude, if anyone thought that was racist then they're an idiot.


Last edited by KING313 on 6/9/2009 10:34:46 PM

infekt
infekt
12 years ago

Fatness stuns the growth of memory cells therefore decreasing intelligence. So does being underweight. But lets just focus on the "larger" problem here shall we?

Kempy21
Kempy21
12 years ago

i agree and left for dead 2 looks identical to left for dead they haven't changed anything.

Victor321
Victor321
12 years ago

@ KING313, Thanks =D

Bo0mKiiD
Bo0mKiiD
12 years ago

Wow, Ben went off…

Victor321
Victor321
12 years ago

Lol, not everyone can keep their cool, they just gotta let it out once in a while, and he probably just had a stressful day.

Xra897
Xra897
12 years ago

indeed

fluffer nutter
fluffer nutter
12 years ago

Since when is calling someone lazy "going off"? It sounds like a pile to me. It can't be that difficult to make games that run on the PS3 architecture if we've got some really cheesy, movie-based games that happen to be put out on every platform. I mean, think about it. Time is money so no one is going to just throw something out there if they don't think it's decent to at least a group of people. You are raised at home to learn how to think and socialize. Then, you go to school to get educated in the arts and sciences, all the while learning how to formulate, follow processes and build plans. If you've got your head on straight, then you can do it. Stop being lazy, people. Have some pride in your work.

Okay, I went off track but I get disgusted when I hear or see people showing that they just don't care or take pride in their work. I'm not attacking anyone directly. I just get disgusted.

Jojoman
Jojoman
12 years ago

No. He was just telling it like it is.

cLoudou
cLoudou
12 years ago

Snap!

napoleon85
napoleon85
12 years ago

That's an awkward attitude, specially if it comes from a video game developer. I wonder what this mediocre company is going to do when the next xbox720 or whatever comes out. Are they gonna be that lazy? The game industry keeps getting more competitive every day. Sorry Valve but that attitude isn't going to take you very far in the future.


Last edited by napoleon85 on 6/9/2009 10:26:29 PM

SarahPalinMILF
SarahPalinMILF
12 years ago

I was given an XBox360 for a gift once…I use it to hold my toilet paper on in the bathroom…for once the toilet paper is on the piece of sh** instead of vice versa…

Victor321
Victor321
12 years ago

Lmao very nice SarahPalin!

MarvelZombies
MarvelZombies
12 years ago

the person who thumb-downed those comments is probably an XBot

G-WiZ199
G-WiZ199
12 years ago

I used to be a huge Valve fan; Counter-Strike is still one of my all time favorite PC shooters. But their statements are just pure idiotic. If they just tried pushing the limits of their resources, they wouldnt have over 15,000 L4D fans boycotting L4D2.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
12 years ago

More than half of those people will buy LFD2.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
12 years ago

Agree that they'll buy it as well. As will I.

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
12 years ago

i remember when left 4 dead came out. a friend of mine got it and i was really excited to play it because it looked so fun! and it really was fun, but it got old to me within a few hours of play. Theres no denying that the game is good, but since i got the chance to play it after such an urge to do so, i havent even wanted to pick the game up again.

kind of dissapointing since i had such high expectations for it.

Hexen
Hexen
12 years ago

Seriously Gabe Newell is what I call a lazy @sshole;He claimed to be one of the best when in reality he doesn't deserve to be in the same room with the likes of Hideo kojima or John Carmack (both btw have praised the PS3).He and his company can do whatever they want, the PS3 doesn't really need their support at all.

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
12 years ago

i remember when left 4 dead came out. a friend of mine got it and i was really excited to play it because it looked so fun! and it really was fun, but it got old to me within a few hours of play. Theres no denying that the game is good, but since i got the chance to play it after such an urge to do so, i havent even wanted to pick the game up again.

kind of dissapointing since i had such high expectations for it.

Nighthawk
Nighthawk
12 years ago

Laziness has nothing to do with it: it's economics.

Valve has been developing the rendering engine on which L4D is based since 2000 (actually earlier, if you want to get *really* technical). To essentially rewrite the entire thing from scratch to get the PS3 compatibility (having seen parts of the source myself, I can assure you it is VERY incompatible with the PS2/PS3 framework) at this point is simply not a reality.

It would take hundreds of thousands of hours to do it. Valve would rather be building the user experience, spending that time on making a great game, than simply reinventing what they already have and not moving forward.

To be honest, I don't blame them.


Last edited by Nighthawk on 6/9/2009 10:46:35 PM

oldmike
oldmike
12 years ago

so left for dead is useing outdated tech and you are there suporter????

also i i have yet to see one of there games that says you must have me shooters are as common as hell

KevinCairo
KevinCairo
12 years ago

@Nighthawk

That may be true, but that doesn't excuse them from creating other titles for PS3 as well. Theyre not just saying no to L4D; they're saying no to anything for PS3.

sticklife
sticklife
12 years ago

so why not not just lead with the ps3?

cegmp
cegmp
12 years ago

Why is nighthawk getting down voted? His arguments are reasonable.

King James
King James
12 years ago

Well said Nighthawk. you know you my boy, but I still think the ppl at Valve are M$ tools.

Dr_Evil_Genius
Dr_Evil_Genius
12 years ago

I agree with this thought process. There are people who have been working with PC code for a long time and just feel at home with that experience. We complain about bad ports anyway. I think we can live without Valve. I may very well be biased because I do not own a PleaseFixMe. I can assure you that my life isn't gimped because Valve doesn't make the games I play.

Whenever the next XBox is release, the same architecture should still be in place dev-wise so they'll be okay on the PC and XB platforms. The thing I don't understand is using the same engine for 10 years… they don't expect the same kind of gameplay to become worn out over time? I even need to retire some articles of clothing after a few years. If they are concerned with the Gamer's Experience, why not create something innovative? People shelled out $250 for a Wii-Wii because they thought they were getting something new. The people have clearly shown they feel different = fun.

He really could've said something different and not sounded as foolish as he came off. I understand what he is saying but his mindset will cost Valve many of their fanbase that have short attention spans and don't want to play the same basic game for 10+ years.

On another note, doesn't his statements remind you of the stigma placed upon XB users that they just play FPSs? Way to respect your customer-base!

NightHawk17
NightHawk17
12 years ago

I leave for awhile and someone takes my name-_-

oldmike
oldmike
12 years ago

some time i wonder if MS still pays them a lot of cash and they SAY there 3ed party just to not get the anti MS hate

Karosso
Karosso
12 years ago

They are still running the same engine from Half Life 2 that came out like a hundred years ago…
You look at HL2 and L4D and I can't see much of a difference, while the real developers are way ahead of them.
Infinity Ward is quality wise, twice the company Valve is and has pumped one amazing game after another. At a fast and alarming rate I must say…
Some how if L4D is the best they can do, I don't feel that bad. Its not like we are missing much.

Nighthawk
Nighthawk
12 years ago

"so left for dead is useing outdated tech and you are there suporter????"

You don't understand what I'm saying.

The engine that L4D runs on, Valve's Source Engine, has been in continual development since well before Half-Life 2 came out; I saw a demo of it at the Valve offices in Seattle in 2000 or 2001.

And anyone who's familiar with the engine can attest that it's certainly not "outdated tech"; it's surpassed the 800lb gorillas that were id Software (Quake series of engines) and Epic (Unreal Engine) and became one of the most praised engine on the market for a while (now rendering engines are a dime a dozen; that industry isn't what it use to be).

They've continually, over the past eight or nine years, been making the engine top notch and the best it can possibly be.

So now you expect them to re-do several years worth of work just so you can play it on the PS3? Uh… No.

oldmike
oldmike
12 years ago

and yet it dose not look as good as many games out there
that and there head is a MS fanboy?

Alienange
Alienange
12 years ago

No no of course not. By all means, keep it on the Commodore64.

Do yo understand what I'M saying?

somethingrandom
somethingrandom
12 years ago

If you don't like the looks, buy it on PC and crank the settings…

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
12 years ago

Nighthawk, I get what you're saying, but there IS the possibility of trying something they HAVEN'T used for many years. No one's saying they should change what they do; I'm only asking they adapt.

And they choose not to.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
12 years ago

Nighthawk,

you bring up a very good argument, and I don't know the tech behind these games, so you're all right as far as I'm concerned. But if all other developers can embrace the PS3 architecture and create incredible games, why not Valve?

Instead of asking them to change their engine, why not copy their current engine and adapt the copy to PS3 architecture? I know this will take a long time and probably cost a fair amount of money, but I'm sure they will begin pumping out incredible games once they learn the PS3 architecturre inside and out like most developers recently have done.

Imagine what they could do with their Half Life Engine if they apply it using the same vision as Hideo Kojima with MGS4!!!

bamf
bamf
12 years ago

Why not license an engine like many have with the Unreal Engine 3?

How much longer can you push the same engine with modifications. Its probably time to create a new engine from the ground up now, like many other developers do.

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
12 years ago

In the end Ben is right. They are just LAZY; its not like they're not gonna get reimbursed from it…

Nestore
Nestore
12 years ago

Hey, Insomniac and Sucker Punch are independents that prefer Sony, Valve is an independent that prefers Microsoft. Neither of them are lazy or dumb.

Most devs have strong favorites on those kinds of issues.

oldmike
oldmike
12 years ago

i was under the idea that they were 2ed party
IE they are not under sony but sony still pays them

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
12 years ago

I don't remember either Insomnia or Sucker punch coming out and repeatedly flaming the Xbox architecture and saying it's crap, or too hard. So, there's not really a comparison there is there? Valve may have a preference for a specific architecture, but that doesn't justify the unprofessional comments they make.

Hexen
Hexen
12 years ago

Insomniac and Sucker Punch have never came out and said that the 360 is too complicated they just like developing for Sony.Valve in the other hand continues saying that the PS3 is too difficult for them which is the real reason why everyone is calling them lazy.


Last edited by Hexen on 6/9/2009 11:07:34 PM

napoleon85
napoleon85
12 years ago

You are right, but valve's statement lacks professionalism. Specially when there are other ways to say things. Let's hope Valve will do good enough (economically speaking) so they won't have to regret their statements one day.

Zeppo
Zeppo
12 years ago

@TheHighlander

Insomniac and sucker punch do like to come out and say that the 360 couldn't keep up with their games though. So I guess that what we should take from this is that valve is working on "remedial" developing while other companies are moving forward to better things.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
12 years ago

@Zeppo,

That's a good point, however, saying that the 360 couldn't manage some of the tricks that they pull on the PS3 isn't quite in the same ballpark as the kinds of comments we see from Valve personnel.

Nestore
Nestore
12 years ago

Agreed: Valve *has* made some really obnoxious comments (and apologized for some of them) and bashed the PS3, while the Insomniac and Sucker Punch guys are much more polite and gracious about their dev platform preference.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
12 years ago

What a total cop out.

Either these guys are admitting that they are lazy, or simply incapable of coping with a system architecture that lots of other developers apparently have a fine time with. Ar Valve lazy, or incapable, you decide. Remember this is Gabe Newell were talking about here… I made my selection…not the one you probably are thinking I'd pick either. I think they're simply incapable. Gabe Newell has had a problem with PS3 since it first arrived, and declared as much early on. But in the end his personal statements and those by others with Valve amount to little more than whining . It's not a matter of tech fetish, if you're a competent programmer, the platform doesn't really matter, you adapt your method to the language and system architecture. What is it they say about a poor workman and his tools…?

Karosso
Karosso
12 years ago

The only thing bigger than Gabe's ego is his midriff 🙂

Karosso
Karosso
12 years ago

Well, I understand their point… they are a PC developer using a 9 year old PC engine, it makes the outdated OptpleX360 the perfect choice 🙂

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