Ben-DutkaOne of the biggest rumors currently making the rounds is the idea that Sony will unveil a Wii-like motion-sensing remote for the PlayStation 3 at E3. Now, as you can see by the majority of responses to that article, such an idea simply doesn't appeal to current PS3 owners, and I refuse to believe it will appeal to potential buyers.
I'm well aware that this technology should be a great deal more advanced than what is offered on the Nintendo Wii, but I don't care. It's still a gimmick. In no way is it more accurate or reliable than pressing buttons (it never has been and it never will be, simply due to the physical nature of how the human body moves). And above all else, you're looking at the wrong demographic. The NPD recently released a study concerning the average age of console owners, and not surprisingly, while the PS3 and 360's average user age sat in the 20s, the Wii was down in the 12-14 age group. It's also a good two and a half years since the gimmick turned to gold in Nintendo's hands, so adding it to the PS3 now seems utterly superfluous and even arbitrary.
Furthermore – and this point is the most obvious – if somebody wants to swing a remote around, they're going to buy a Wii. Not only is it the cheaper option, but just about everyone on the planet associates this kind of activity with the Wii. Nobody will do so for the PS3, and I think we all know what Sony's track record is concerning advertising… And on top of which, I really don't care how advanced this technology is; I will absolutely never opt to play a game with motion sensing when I could press buttons. The latter actually works and I really hate to tell people this, but in no way does moving the controller around in the air feel like I'm doing anything special. It doesn't feel like I have a "special connection" with what's happening on the screen. I seriously doubt I'm the only gamer who feels this way, and I hesitate to get on Sony's case about this, but we want great games like God of War III , Uncharted 2: Among Thieves , and Gran Turismo 5 …and we don't need motion sensing for any of it. We don't much want it, either.
Yes, let's not forget that the Dual Shock 3 has motion sensing already, even though it isn't as fancy as the rumored Wii-like remote. And every single time I have the option to use motion sensing with the PS3 controller, I take a pass. I turn it off immediately. I said it from the very start of the respective launches of the PS3 and Wii: if I wanted to play with a remote wand, I'd buy a Wii . I'm sorry, but the audience is wrong for this idea, and in all honesty, I just don't think the current PlayStation community or prospective community members even care in the slightest.
sorry i do not want to risk it flying out of my hand into my tv
I agree. Although, when properly implemented the motion sensors work well for PS3 games. Otherwise they're too much of a hassle. No need for a Wii-like remote.
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I can kinda see this one failing on sony's part. I dont think any one is going to get this because of the price option unless they make some sort of package deal. 80gb PS3 + Motion remote+ a game that uses it all for no more then $499. But this was something that was just picked up on by sony it was originally developed by some other company that just wanted to see if they could do it.
I definitely am all against bringing a wii-mote ripoff to the ps3, but the 6axis is good if a game uses it right. surprisingly the best implementation i have seen for it was in COD3 where to mele someone you just flicked the controller.
I liked aiming arrows in Heavenly Sword.
Folklore got a very good sixaxis usage. Heavenly S's is very good (and fun) too.
… and in Killzone 2. When you twist valves and place C4 explosives. That's the best I've experienced so far.
Now that I think about it Heavenly Sword was actually the best I have personally expereinced with motion control.
You speak the hard truth, as usual. I never use the sixaxis motion controls either. I know some Wii owners who are hardcore Nintendo fans who even opt out of the wiimote if they can use a gamecube controller. If you have two people with equal skill, and one is using a controller normally and the other is using all motion controls, the former will win every time. Motion controls suck. Period.
Hey, flower used motion sensing and it was a great game (though short…but that doesn't have anything to do with motion sensing).
In my eyes, that's the lone exception. Flower really was excellent, and it was the only time I didn't mind the motion sensing. In fact, it felt right for that type of game.
But let's face it, how many games are really like THAT? Heh.
you have no desire to play a AAA FPS and aim with your arm as opposed to your thumb?
Flower was great, but using the buttons and joysticks wouldn't have hurt it. Plus it is an extremely simplistic game, so just motion controls worked. If it got any more complex, it would have been bad.
@Somethingrandom: I think I speak for most when I say, no.
The motion sensing flight controls in Ratchet and Clank Future : Tools of Destruction were excellent as well (when you used the Robotic Wings for flight). You really got the feeling of flight, I spent ages just flying around to see what I could do. The first time (and all that followed) when I took off the smile of joy on my face was ear to ear. Flower feels very similar to me, except I think R&C really got a more dynamic sense of flying.
Sizaxis is a perfectly viable motion sensing scheme. Another good use of it is in High Velocity bowling, you can use a bowling motion that is truly close to a real bowling action, all thanks to the Sixaxis. The way in which the sixaxis was integrated into Uncharted worked nicely too with a shake of the controller necessary to free yourself from a grappling enemy.
I don't see the point of a Wii-a-like wand for the PS3 anyway, but considering the quality of the sixaxis controller and how well executed is can be, there seems zero reason for a new controller.
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I can see a major problem arising with FPS using motion sensor: how will you stay accurate? Prolonged raising of the arm will make it wobble, and hurt, and it will be difficult to aim and kill an enemy in a game like CoD…
Imagine how soldiers feel holding an actual gun, Robinhood.
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That's correct Ben! If I want motion controls(which I don't)I'll would probably get a wii(which I won't)cause obviously is almost half the price of PS3.I don't see motion controls helping anyone except maybe the fanboys which will use it to brag some how.Sony should just do what they did in the past and that is bring amazing software after software which if is great like the PS1/PS2 days, it will move the PS3 past the competition.
The article is spot on… I dont want a Wii mote like controller on my PS3. I really didnt care as most of the Wii games are barely playable. Only fans keep telling themselves that the Wii mote enchances gameplay and because of that they dont need good graphics in a game…yeah rigth good brainwash NINTENDO!! Try to play World at War with the Wii mote then you will know why I am not interested in such a controller for the PS3.
It's always been about having the best graphics, since the genesis every system including Nintendo has been trying to achieve the best graphics in the market.But since Nintendo couldn't compete with Sony/MS graphics they chose another route and brainwash their fans to believing that graphics weren't important any more.
*Rant over*
WaW was crap on every system. Actually I found it more bearable on wii(possibly because on that I don't have the infinitely better COD4 to play but still)and felt they were close to pulling it off whereas on PS3 it just felt like a lazy WW2 expansion for MW.
At least on the Wii the game was a little different.
If they had games like Okami that would utilize a motion-sensing 'wand', if you will, then I would consider buying it…for about 2 seconds.
Okami is a great game, but it wasn't very good on the Wii. The motion sensing was either WAY too sensitive, or not sensitive enough (especially in the drawing sequences). I liked it more on the PS2, where you used buttons and a control stick.
Absolutely right, should be focusing on more important things… like marketing… 😀
I actually don't hate the idea…..I wouldn't say that I love it either…it depends what they do with it. If it was neat and innovative and they had some good casual games for it, then maybe I would pick one up…..It's not at the top of my wishlist, but I am at least curious about it.
I have heard many people with a Wii stating that they use the nunchuck instead of the wheel/remote combo when playing Mario Kart. Motion sensitive gaming just isn't quite there yet.
Another point is that I always turn off the motion option in motorstorm. Pacific rift got it right by allowing use of it to correct your balance when nearly tipping over. Using it to steer was a pain.
So yeah, I agree, if Sony use the sixaxis correctly, there really is no need for a Wii style PS3 remote. However, if they have the right games to back it up, then yeah, I might pick one up. Wii has already tapped that market, so Sony should instead think of how to sell it to current PS3 owners.
If I wanted to flail myself around the room like an idiot, I would've bought a Wii. I bought the PS3 for a reason. Sony should focus on what they do best, making games and building PSN content (FYI, the Aussie network is abysmal compared to Japan and even the USA, please give us more Sony AU!!!)
SONY!!! Stop wasting your time and money on risky and expensive gimmicks just to tap into a market that probably prefer the Wii anyway.
REMEMBER!!! You are better then that, Sony has a long-term strategy. Why waste your money joining the Wii on short term fads that die out after 6 months? Unless you know how to use it in a way Wii has never done and market it correctly, you are wasting your time.
OMG!!!! HOME avatars playing multiple sports and recreation games!!! Great content idea!!!
Apply this PS3 wand to sports games, then you'd have superior graphics making the Wii redundant. Imagine Tiger Woods 11 or Madden 11, or Virtua Tennis 4 with this tech. Already on the Wii, but with far superior graphics, making it great for the whole family. Lets not forget superior online functionality that Wii owners can only dream of.
SONY!! RELEASE GAMES WITH THE REMOTE LAUNCH!!!! It's the only way to get it to sell. Give us a reason to want it!!!
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i'll buy one if it's not too expensive. i don't have the blu ray remote so this could make watching movies easier.
and if there are a few good psn games to play with, well all the better.
Not to mention the motion sensing craze is pretty much over as Wii sales are tanking.
Totally agreed. I've excercised the turn off motion sensing function on all games I've played thus far. It just adds unnecessary frustration in completing what would usually be a simple task in a game imo
Let the PS3 be known for its quality games and keep the toying around swinging remotes like a lunatic for the Wii
Oh for god's sake Sony please just stick with 'PlayStation!!!!' and the tradition. DualShock 3 was a great idea. Now just keep applying that idea…when PS4 comes out make DualShock 4 and etc.
Dude as much as I dislike the Wii, I've learned to respect it because when I played COD W@W on the hardest dif. I sucked ass, but then I would sit back and watch as my 12 year old sis would lay waste to everything in her path. I'm not saying the wii-mote rocks I'm just saying it takes some skill to be a girl with a wii-mote to kill three grown men with GC controllers in BRAWL. I'm still lost on how she did that. lol
Agreed, I never want to see a Wii like remote on the ps3.
not at all, its an awful idea, Sixaxis is bad enough, though MGS4/Uncharted made good use of it just for little things,but having dominate would be terrible. i remember it on Heavenly Sword and it was horrible. a 'joypad' if you will is all i need.
Duck Hunt was awesome.
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Well, as for the Sixaxis I think the sniping in Killzone2 is easily the most rewarding experience of it's kind. It added a real sense of immersion and more little touches like that would be, imo, great.
But the full blown motion control? Nah, too late and the PS3 is, I'm afraid, NEVER going to be as cheap as a Wii(who don't forget have the more sensitive, and accurate by all accounts, Motion Plus market ready)and WILL NOT sellto it's intended casual market.
FPS games are where motion controls should really work better than even keyboard and mouse and I'm still going to check out The Conduit when it lands to see if they pulled it off as up til now, MP3 apart, nobody mailed it-which is sad. That said I'm still up for 1:1 light sabre duels if anyone can do it and I challenge any real SW fan not to feel the same deep down-it would be cool no matter how "childish" we might say it is! Vwoom zsheow vooosh!
I can't see this making money for Sony, though, it's way too late.
imo, and I do mean imo ur wrong, ppl believe nintendo got causul gaming right this time with remote so why not capitalize? over in japan where ps3 is selling regardless of price it will do well to steal wii's thunder, here i'm not so sure. ppl still cry over price but spend that maybe more on worthless crap. the wii is a crock and majority of it's system selling games still wont price drop (1st party games like zeld, mario still 50 bucks). good is good but come on 250 bucks and non price budging good games generally low priced crap games. as most have stated they want it all on one console, that's what they're giving, 1st draw capital from the casual market cash cow which sony started last gen with eyetoy, then maybe things are positive numbers wise and sony price drops maybe everyone can get their b/c
The sniper in KZ2 is probably the best implemetation of the sixaxis control. There are a few games where I see having motion control would be a plus- most sports related games etc. I'm a gadget freak but I hate the Wii but I see myself wanting the motion control for my PS3.
Oh the dualshock 3 has sixaxis,oh i forgot, i don't remember the last time i used that function,maybe Resistance:FoM.
My only problem is with Sony's marketing, we all know they rather stink at it. Now they have to try and advertise a HD media cener hub, with games, online play, and now a motion-sensor control. However, I don't see this being all that bad so long as it doesn't become standard, which I don't think it will. Most of us won't use them, but there is still a market for this. I mean, the reaction from (some) Ninty fans who use the controls, was positive (butthurt). Also, don't forget about the FPS genre where some of those dudes love the controls. Like I said, Sony just has to do this right with advertising and don't make the controller appear standard. What would work is if this is sold separately for PS2 as well, it would be like what 200 bucks including a game?
I just hope their plan is executed well. I'll just pass on the controls since I agree that Six-Axis is a viable motion sensing controller when used properly. Anybody know if Guncon 3 was any good? I thought that was underused, but I never used it so I can't say. They don't ultimately have to make huge dollars off this, no, they just have to nab a little of that casual audience that uses those controls. That said, I do believe Ninty has most of that market wrapped around their finger.
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This article is bang on. Buttons have been a part of gaming since the beginning and have led to the best gaming experiences in history.
Certainly. But it wouldn't hurt to try something different.
Oh for sure. Trying new things is great. Unfortunately for the Wii those "new things" are Cooking Mama and some retarded control scheme for Dora Saves the Snow Princess.
If Sony does this they'll at least prove that this gimmick should have only cost us 60 bux instead of 250.
http://www.psxextremeforums.com/playstation-3/9826-discussion-about-fps-games.html#post126102
please look there
no offence to anyone but i favor the wiimote ripoff. sony gets slammed for being less family orientated (which is bull except compared to wii) so their trying to merge the demographic. button mashing is in no danger, great hardcore games are flooding out and still will be, this new tech will bring money for those things. mindless new age family gamers who brought the wii and probably ps2 for cheap are huge, sony just wants them to merge over without feeling alienated. this article is good but all opinion, business lazy swinging games are great downtime games, more uses for ps3 truly making it a entertainment console. the wii is dying the fad is not it's nintendo's lack of truly good games that kill it.
oh as for the person who dogged sony marketing, like u said it's a hardcore gamer system, they advertise and hype things where they should be, places where gamers dwell. stores online magazines this is where their adience is found, if u mean million dollar campaigns f on t.v. after desperate housewives who cares, the mother who sees that wont care unless her kids whine for it.
Of course we don't need one. We also didn't really need a gaming console in the first place, did we? No. We WANTED a gaming console. And I want a motion sensing controller. I said it before, I won't buy a Wii simply to play a few sports games I actually enjoy. I would rather play golf or baseball on PS3, but it's lame with a Dualshock. Takes the fun out of the game. I do hope, however, that if these controllers do get produced, FPS games will have an option where you can choose to use it or not. I still prefer the Dualshock in that aspect. Unless they produce a nice gun controller…
I forgot to mention another reason I don't want a Wii. The games tend to be too short, and usually kinda childish. Take a look at Wii Sports. The golf is way too easy, whereas Tiger Woods golf was damned difficult. And I liked it. Sure, there are a few slightly more adult-oriented titles like Scarface but I already have that on PS2 so I'm not gonna bother with that. Also, the graphics just don't do it for me. Some games are downright grainy-looking. Awful stuff. Nope, I will only ever have paid for one Wii, and it's for the girlfriend, not for Mii, er… me.
Wouldn't the announcement of a price drop like everyone is speculating right along with this motion sensing controller really help the ps3 sell more units? And once they get a ps3 doesn't it open the door for them to try more hardcore games like Killzone 2, Resistance, God of War, so on and so forth?
i agree with you their opening doors, and to transformer X, they are about the games…. shaping up to best 2009-2010 line-up period, dismiss motion sensor if u want but it's easy gameplay usage is what builds family gaming. our hardcore gamer lifestyle is not in perile here. all across the web it seems wii can have it sony nor MS can have cause it's wrong? who says …YOU…. I think 50 mil console says whether they collect dust or not can't be ignored. something made ppl but the thing but can sony perfect it, yes they can
Yes….exactly. We here at PSXextreme have no use for it, but the soccer mom who didnt want to buy a PS3 for her teenage boy may all of the sudden find it more appealing. It's just a way for Sony to appeal to a wider bade, which is what Sony really needs. Im surprised ppl here arent supporting this.
The soccer mom wants the cheapest console with the shelf of games that looks like it would be best suited to 9-year-old Jimmy. Regardless of the fact that both the PS3 and Wii have motion sensing remotes – if that's ever true – I don't see any parents looking at the two consoles and concluding the PS3 is a better option.