The controversy surrounding Capcom and Resident Evil 5 has raged long and loud across the Internet, and it centers on whether or not the publisher charged extra for on-disc content.

The new Versus mode, which recently became available for purchase and download on the PlayStation Store and Xbox Live Marketplace, is a surprisingly small download. It clocks in at only 1.8MBs on the Xbox 360 and 351KB on the PS3, and this has led to the assumption that this "new" Mode wasn't really new at all; that it was already on the disc. But according to Siliconera, Capcom swears this isn't the case; that it's not a simple unlock key we're downloading. Vice President Christian Svensson said very clearly:

"Keys are 100K or less. It is not a key. We have said in the past, it uses assets from the disc (like levels, models, audio, etc.) but the code is new and does not exist on the disc."

Even if this is true, it begs the question: can publishers hide little extras on game disks and charge consumers more to unlock them at a later date? How many gamers would even notice that they're downloading a simple unlock key? We're not saying this has happened in the past, but publishers have this thing about making money…in that, they want to make as much as possible, like any business. And they could probably twist the rationale around enough so it might even seem legitimate. What's your take on the issue?

Related Game(s): Resident Evil 5

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chicko1983
chicko1983
11 years ago

Funny, I was speaking to a mate of mine last night who is currently a casual gamer and bought a wii but is now looking at getting a PS3 (well, I am trying to convince him to).
He asked about downloadable content and how it works and I told him about how you could download levels, gameplay modes, costumes etc for games after they were released. When I told him that the DLC usually comes about 3mths or so after the release of the game he couldnt understand why they wouldnt put it on the full retail disk. I couldnt really tell him a good reason other than for the developers and publishers to make more money. He didnt like the idea of it and is now somewhat put off from getting a PS3 now.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
11 years ago

I don't understand how that could make someone not buy something. DLC is content that was created after the game was released and expands upon the initial creation. Sure some people abuse it, (ie. Capcom) but it's normally quite nice (ie. MediaMolecule). Either way, he doesn't HAVE to get the free or premium DLC, just play the game as is.

Odd Child
Odd Child
11 years ago

It's also a blu-ray player :')

I think some DLC Should be included on the disc, But if they continue adding DLC a year down the road that shows some incentive.

yak4life85
yak4life85
11 years ago

It had to be on the disc all ready. Too small of a download.

Morals
Morals
11 years ago

Capcom is lying.

Morals
Morals
11 years ago

351 kb makes 359424 bytes so about 154624 bytes of space take up so they can say it wasn't already on the disk.

The versus mode being included in the blu-ray version of R5 is very plausible being an blu-ray and all that extra space left over, it would be very tempting not to put something you had already made on a disk when you have that much space to spare.

jlch777
jlch777
11 years ago

This should have been included as an update or a patch for the game.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Lies and Gorilla Dust! It's a key with a little padding. Even the patch to "fix" the KZ2 controls was bigger.

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

351KB? Even if this was new code, I am not paying $5 for 351KB.

Oh and Versus Mode sucks the big one! Saw it being played on my friends 360. Not worth it at all.

Morals
Morals
11 years ago

im a loving the Persona 4. God i hope they do an anime of it next season.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

I'm diggin P4 as well, Yukiko ftw.

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

Chie <3

Morals
Morals
11 years ago

chie's so moe

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

moe?

Tatsujin
Tatsujin
11 years ago

Capcom isnt lying. It makes no sense, seeing that they never even hinted at a Versus mode untill around after its release. Either way, Versus is extremely fun… I am glade I put 5 bucks on it.

godsman
godsman
11 years ago

Thats not the problem. The problem is that these developers have these ideas, but refuses to put them on the disc. If it was like a couple hundred Mb, and it doesn't fit on a Dvd, tough luck for PS3 players, its understandable. PS3 gamers will get over it. The fact that its only 300Kb and 1.8Mb files. They are holding back potential free experience for gamers to try. This is one reason why the PS2 era was so much better.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
11 years ago

Capcom IS lying but if it helps you out, no they are truthful…

BTW, this versus mode was announced before its release, not afterwards and its one of the reasons why some are upset

i know its just opinions, but after trying this versus mode out…… this sh!t sucks balls, plain and simple. I can't believe some people were suckered into paying for such a boring vs mode.

The thing thats more upsetting than capcom's charging for stuff thats already on the disk ( sorry but capcom has fooled you if you think it was separate ) is the way they handled a vs mode.

Its not something you charged for and anyone paying money for it might end up regretting it. For vs mode, you want as many players playing your game as possible, but in this case, you gimp your own audience and lowers the amount of people playing your game, therefore lowering the replay value of your game, the very thing capcom is trying increase.

Serves them right i guess, but its not gonna be the last of them charging high prices for dlc that isn't worth it. SF4 and RE5 are just the start


Last edited by aaronisbla on 4/11/2009 4:03:50 AM

JasperLoons
JasperLoons
11 years ago

If I wasn't so disgusted, I would almost feel sorry for them. First the controls and now this. They just can't win.

BTNwarrior
BTNwarrior
11 years ago

When I first got the game I checked the trophies, and since day one there have been trophies that were for versus mode. Now correct me if I'm wrong but for trophies to exist shouldn't the code already be in the game to unlock them?

Oh and because they show up even though I don't have the DLC this means I will never get that coveted Platnum trophy

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

True! It was all on disc! Versus Mode was not a after thought! They planned this from the very begging.

godsman
godsman
11 years ago

This is ridiculous.
"Keys are 100K or less. It is not a key. We have said in the past, it uses assets from the disc (like levels, models, audio, etc.) but the code is new and does not exist on the disc."

Isnt that the same thing as saying… "The content is existing on the disc already, downloading the code allows you to play it" ???

That is just a code that allows mersinaries online. They use the same characters, same maps. There's nothing new. Now the question is, is the 300Kb+ file that much work that they could not fit them in the original disc before the release date?

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
11 years ago

Its possible that it was on the disc already. They are simply saying it wasnt because the want more money.
Maybe they had a few tweaks left by the time the game was released, so they decided to finish up and remove the bugs and such- then decided… "why release it in a patch when we can put it out as DLC and make a bit of money?"

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Wait, why are the sizes different for 360 and PS3?

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

They padded the 360's key a little more. XD

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

haha, yeah it had to look bigger and better to please MS.

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
11 years ago

It is possible as well that they compressed the ps3 downlload due to the fees that sony is charging

JasperLoons
JasperLoons
11 years ago

Those fees are for downloads over 1gb. And even if they weren't, at 16 cents per gb, it would have to be about 60mb for them to even be charged 1 cent.


Last edited by JasperLoons on 4/11/2009 10:24:59 AM

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
11 years ago

Its actually for any download. the fee is charged for every gig downloaded, accumulative. "a bandwidth fee of $0.16 cents per GB of free and paid content downloaded" It doesnt say for files over a gig.
while im sure it wouldnt have reached 1 gig so that they can charge, they may simply be testing how well it works when the data is compressed.

JasperLoons
JasperLoons
11 years ago

After a little googling… looks like I was mistaken ThugNificent. The article I initially read suggested the fee only applied if the file being downloaded was over 1gb, but I guess that's wrong.

Orvisman
Orvisman
11 years ago

@World,

I was just going to ask that same thing?

slackernz
slackernz
11 years ago

If they can give us 300+mb download patches for free, I think it's disgusting that Capcom is making us pay for a 350k download. Does Capcom think we're retarded by saying the mode wasn't on the disc?

Dealnightfire
Dealnightfire
11 years ago

Capcom is very lame just like they are with the SF4 costumes. SF4 costumes were already on the disc as well and they charge high prices for those too. The practice won't stop since people pay for it.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
11 years ago

the fact that some people pay for this crap is mindboggling, but i don't have control over their wallets

Deadman
Deadman
11 years ago

Stuff like the SF4 costumes should be like a bonus for completing the game with those characters not as a pricey DLC or add on for the CE.

Banky A
Banky A
11 years ago

Lies I tell ye'.

Just because Dead Space was more atmospheric than your RE5 game, that's real mature Capcom lol

=D

CrazyIrishBoy
CrazyIrishBoy
11 years ago

Mother*****rs. Download content is the worst thing that has ever happenned. Its not as if a blue ray disk cant hold the f**king data. They can suck my ***k b4 i pay for download content.


Last edited by CrazyIrishBoy on 4/11/2009 7:05:48 AM

dveisalive
dveisalive
11 years ago

Ok is it me or do you get ripped of with DLC? I mean the only time DLC works for me is new levels thats all, but to waste money to get a new costume (Dead Space, Soul Calibur 4) is stupid when you can get it by playing the game. I mean the content is already on the disc most of the time, but DLC needs to be more creative. Madden 10 needs DLC badly cause im tired of buying it yearly, just for a d** roster and somewhat graphical update. I want my NFL 2k10 not Madden rip you off BS new features etc…

neostorm
neostorm
11 years ago

ok first of all its obvious the vs mode was always there and this was just an unlock key.but can i just point out that resident evil games have always been offline single player games so why shouldnt they charge you for making it online regardless of how crap it is or if it was always on the disc,they didnt have to make it online or even co-op for that matter.
neo's final thought—-if you don't like it don't buy it –simples

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

What about RE: Outbreak File 1&2? The ones that did online Co-op right, and better than RE5. ūüėČ

Minishmaru
Minishmaru
11 years ago

Resident evil 5 was worth renting, but even with this new gameplay mode…I wouldn't waste 60 bucks, if you can get a deal for like 40 bucks maybe tho.

Minishmaru
Minishmaru
11 years ago

Resident evil 5 was worth renting, but even with this new gameplay mode…I wouldn't waste 60 bucks, if you can get a deal for like 40 bucks maybe tho.

Robochic
Robochic
11 years ago

not interested in the versus mode at all even if that means i don't get 100% trophies.

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
11 years ago

Meh, even if it wasnt, you lok at Unreal Tornament III and all there free upgrade DLC it puts the rest of them to shame, i sold RE5, I played it for a day, then played RE: Code Veronica X and realised how awful it was.

NiteKrawler
NiteKrawler
11 years ago

Who cares if it is on the disc? They still took the time to create it. Does it really matter if they took the time before or after release of the full game? Like if it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was created AFTER the game's release, it would make it ok? Strange logic in my mind.

daus26
daus26
11 years ago

The real problem is developers charging us for something they could put on the discs before releasing it. It's not like they ran out of space on the disc and forced to put it off for a download content.

They simply choose to put it off for download content to get more money, simple. It's not because they had to rush sale, not because they can't do it at the time, not because disc space was insufficient (hell 50 gig blu-ray), and certaintly not because the effort to make it was something that's worth paying. I've seen bigger GT5P updates and other patches for free.

Its the money..period. This is just one of the flaws of next gen. Developers might not be maxing out as much as they could on the retail disc.

Doosharm
Doosharm
11 years ago

I think it is irrelevent that they had the space to fit the EXTRA CONTENT onto the disk. Who cares? It was never mentioned as being included in the game you agreed to shell out $60 for. As far as I'm concerned, its an EXTRA feature whether its on the disk or not and you should have to pay to have the extra content. Why is it so unethical to charge for extra content stored on a disk but not unethical to create content and store it in their servers for you to download? In the end its all the same thing. They are charging you for the single player experience when you buy the disk, not all of the extras that they will unveil down the road, regardless of whether it fits on the disk.

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

Except for the fact they announced this before the game came out, and Trophies for the Versus Mode came on disc. There is also the fact that Capcom is already a offender with this kind of things before.

Capcom does not get the benefit of the doubt. They had this planned for a very long time.

NiteKrawler
NiteKrawler
11 years ago

Ok so if Guerilla Games had said before launch that they would be making extra maps and stuff after release, it would be unethical to put a price on them? This is all dumb. It's Capcom's choice to sell this. With all the money troubles developers are going through these days, it's probably a good thing that they are getting this extra cash. It's just business people. And it's just $5, and they aren't forcing you to get it. I think we need to get over it.


Last edited by NiteKrawler on 4/11/2009 3:59:14 PM

Oyashiro
Oyashiro
11 years ago

New content =/= Content locked or left out to be sold later.

No one has a problem with content being made post production of the game. This, What Capcom is doing right now, Leaving content off disk or locked on disk to sale us a key later for five dollars. It is unacceptable.

Its not a matter of "You don't have to buy it", This should not have happened in the first place.

How would you like it if I where to sell you a briefcase. Then in order to open that briefcase you have to buy the combination to the lock for extra?

This is what they are doing, This is what they did with street Fighter 4, This is what Namco did with Soul Caliber. This is not what DLC was made for, This is abusing the system.

NiteKrawler
NiteKrawler
11 years ago

Well to be perfectly frank, I wouldn't have bought a briefcase that I couldn't get into in the first place. By that analogy, it would be like Capcom sold us the game for $60 and then in order to even play it at all, we had to pay $5 more. I could understand people being mad if Capcom said that the game came with versus for free, but that is not the case. They gave us the full game already. If they deem this mode worthy of 5 extra dollars, then so be it. It's not our decision.