Look, we are well aware that when companies are in direct competition with one another (at least, in terms of one specific division), it's perfectly normal to expect each side to take potshots at the other. In fact, it's even expected. But we've noticed a trend in the past year or so, and we can't decide if it's due to fear on Microsoft's part, or just an unprofessional approach.

Xbox 360 product management director Aaron Greenberg had a lot to say recently , and too much of it revolved around the competition. We have to wonder if Gamasutra specifically asked him about Sony and the PlayStation 3, or if he just decided to lash out on his own. We're not going to quibble when it comes to statistics; he's certainly not making them up, and it's true that the 360 outperformed the PS3 in February. However, he also clearly hints at the "fact" that Killzone 2 didn't have any effect; that it didn't prove to be the system seller everyone thought it would be. …well, there's a serious problem with that train of thought. Guerilla's gem didn't launch until February 27; the next-to-the-last day of the month, if you're not calendar-proficient. Now, we don't know of any gamers who ran out to buy a PS3 on Valentine's Day in anticipation of the game; it's far more likely that people would buy the PS3 and the game together, so it seems fair to assume that this month's statistics will be far more telling. Furthermore, he goes out of his way to say the PS3 business is "declining," which – based on full year stats that are actually relevant rather than one-month stats that mean nothing – is also completely inaccurate.

Using the example of the 62% decrease in PS2 sales to say Microsoft is luring past Sony fans over to the Xbox this generation is also a flawed maneuver. …so, the people who didn't decide to buy a PS2 in February all bought a 360? Really? Now, a lot of you are going to say, "so what, Sony does the same thing!" Well, yes and no. We see Sony's press releases all the time, and we also see what their executives have to say in interviews on a daily basis. There's absolutely no doubt that they push their own products; they will say how the PS3 is worth the more expensive price tag; they will say the Network is on the rise; they will say the upcoming exclusives are going to be huge, etc, etc, etc. But we very rarely hear them say anything specific about Microsoft or the 360. Yes, they will push their own stuff until they're blue in the face, but attacking the competition doesn't appear to be part of the agenda. Obviously, it is for Microsoft.

We're certain they don't care, but here's some advice, Big MS: just quiet down. Do your own thing and make the gamers happy. Maybe you're scared that the PS3's upcoming exclusive lineup makes yours appear paltry by comparison, or maybe you're concerned about the whole Blu-Ray thing, or perhaps you don't want to admit that your beloved sales statistic does indeed include multiple console purchases by the same consumer…due to the 360's piss-poor reliability in the past. Who knows? But you should just stick to promoting your own products, which you're more than welcome to do. Please do leave Sony and the PS3 out of your rants unless prompted, m'kay?

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Scarecrow
Scarecrow
12 years ago

Microsoft is like FOX

And we all know what that means
ps3 is where it's at, the 360 is an OLD console, with old technology, a DVD drive that pops out…

Useless controller, designed ONLY with FPSs in mind.

Retarded BOX design, I mean lol it's like it was designed in such a way so that it would fry the whole thing on purpose. And that's what it does! haha

ps3 has Japan and Europe(at least most of it outside from the UK)

And I really don't remember what good games the 360 will have this year.

Halo Wars? Haven't we seen the same thing already?

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
12 years ago

"Microsoft is like FOX"

HhaHAahHAhahHAHhaHAhaHAHha

Lovely Stuff.

rezenu
rezenu
12 years ago

Lol, Fox. xD

rell
rell
12 years ago

@Scarecrow I agree with u, greenberg is sensing pressure from its competitions, why do u think he's so concern about ps3 sales me personally I think he's scare because he know what will happen if M$ shareholders don't be satisfy with the company dominating he will be out of a job.

city96
city96
12 years ago

Yea the box curves in so all the heat is trapped on the sides causing the CPU and other stuff to overheat. What a dumb idiot! Only @ Microsoft.

N a S a H
N a S a H
12 years ago

IMO The 360 is a great console. I'm sure Ben would agree with me. It's hardly the 360's fault that its makers are saying all these things. It doesn't take away from the fact that it still has some great games.

inkme101
inkme101
12 years ago

right on!!!!!!!! screw you microsoft. m'kay? lol.


Last edited by inkme101 on 3/19/2009 10:48:33 PM

SPS3
SPS3
12 years ago

Well done Ben! MS is so unprofessional! If the gaming society knew the pros & cons of both systems, you could stick a fork in'em. MS would be DONE!!!!!!! Best nextgen experience yet to date on yours truly, PS3!!!!!


Last edited by SPS3 on 3/19/2009 10:50:33 PM

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

Maybe he should be worried about bringing some exclusives to the 360 instead of talking of ps3 sales, but that's just my opinion.

city96
city96
12 years ago

Yea. You buy lots of games and one or two consoles! not the other way around where with the XBox yuo have to buy another one and another and another! RROD's FTW

Zemus101
Zemus101
12 years ago

Excellent article Ben! It's so nice to be able to come to a site and read this, a site where the majority agree with me that Sony promotes itself (more often than not) and Microsoft just tries to call out the competition. This is the big reason i'm a Playstation fan and will stay that way, I would much rather have a system who's creator will keep on supporting new IPs and listen to the community (Home and the PS Blog are great examples)

Now, on an unproffesional note.. i want the 360 and 360 fanboys to be made a fool this year when ps3 outsells them ūüėõ

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
12 years ago

They will piss themselves when God of War III and Uncharted 2 come out.

And then it will all be over when Gran Turismo 5 releases.

SnipeySnake
SnipeySnake
12 years ago

Lawl

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

The Xbox fanboys are the same way. They spend more time yapping and spamming message boards and spreading their buyer's remorse on everybody instead of playing their supposedly beloved Xbox 360. Shouldn't they be spending their time actually playing their console if they think it's so great?

Microsoft is a joke. They build a poorly designed console, charge $60 CAN for an online service where people can be subjected to racial and sexist slurs from 12 year old boys, need to pay off every publisher, journalist and blogger to gain an advantage and failed to get those casual markets that Nintendo and Sony are catering to. Why should anyone take them seriously? They have been doing everything wrong since 2001.

Too many people read OXM and believe the garbage they spew.

rezenu
rezenu
12 years ago

Lol, you're right. 360 fanboys are amazing. They spend their time spreading propaganda and yet they claim they have soooooo many games and they have this and they have that.

I've played plenty of games during the week-RE5, Street Fighter 4, some old school Onimusha, and started playing Ninja Gaiden Sigma again.

The games are coming for the PS3 and I am happy about that.

JasperLoons
JasperLoons
12 years ago

Aww Ben, this is why I visit this site. Your articles make me happy.

"Yes, they will push their own stuff until they're blue in the face, but attacking the competition doesn't appear to be part of the agenda."

Truer words were never spoken.

"Maybe you're scared that the PS3's upcoming exclusive lineup makes yours appear paltry by comparison, or maybe you're concerned about the whole Blu-Ray thing"

They must be absolutely terrified. I like the 360 just fine, but I don't think I have ever looked forward to a coming years video games so much.
As for the blu-ray thing, anyone watch G4? Seen Morgan's rant about how Microsoft was "looking to the future" by not going blu-ray? Made me want to vomit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Morgan Webb has no business hosting a video game show any more. Regardless of her intelligence, she's only on X-Play because she's T&A. Nobody cares about her views, they just care about her overrated looks.

rell
rell
12 years ago

@JasperLoons I'm with u its not the 360 fault its M$ game studios who is ruining the 360 experience, that wat made me left 360 alone because of this constant bashing. Like I said before greenberd is showing to much concern for ps3. He didn't talk much of what the 360 has to offer this year. M$ need to go back to the drawing board and learn how to invest in first party titles instead of third party. Buying third party exclusive tell me that M$ isn't confident in there own product. Sony has become a little more humble now.

Tatsujin
Tatsujin
12 years ago

The Few, The Proud, The… PS3 Owners? Nothing really goes with that other than the Marines :P. Anywho, after this generation and the whole flop of X360 failures, I will never buy a single Microsoft console. PC games are great, PS3 games are great, 360 games are great but… bad reliablitiy and the lack to acknowledge how great Sony's line-up is just goes to show how weak they are. I really hate people who think the system they have is the better console, because theyre all the same up to a certain extent.. but who takes the lead when that extent comes in?
PS3 Blu-Ray and exclusives… Xbox's… Live? Wait, Ive heard that too many times… Ive also heard how great the PSN is, not as good as Live but pretty damn good… SO who really wins in that extent? Yea, Sony's PS3.

People are just too stubborn to see that they get more for their dollar with the PS3. Not to mention, a one time buy… not a 3 or 4 time buy (RRoD)

Just sayin, Microsoft sure does talk a lot of sh** but they never seem to have anything to back it up other than Live and Console sales that are probably faulty due to the RRoD anyways… Game Over?

kb8mvp81
kb8mvp81
12 years ago

wii is the best console out right now with good graphics and good excercising design

wano
wano
12 years ago

ha ha, nice one.

side splitting comedy

Alienange
Alienange
12 years ago

You fail. My treadmill is the best designed exercise machine.

SnipeySnake
SnipeySnake
12 years ago

Man, if you get a game you really like for wii. Your going to be playing for hours just swinging again and again. When you get home sometimes your tired and you want to just settel down and play a game. The wii sucks in both hardware and controls. Are you like 8?

Zemus101
Zemus101
12 years ago

@kb8mvwhatever

lmao

jdt1981
jdt1981
12 years ago

Yeah M$ needs to develop some class and quit attacking Sony every chance they get and start worrying about their own issues. M'kay…. With a console that has the worst fail rate of all time, a 2009 exclusive games lineup that isn't anywhere near as good as the PS3's and the fact that their console's hardware is already starting to look dated when you compare 360 games to PS3 games like KZ2, MGS4 and Uncharted M$ has enough problems in their own house to discuss.

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
12 years ago

This is why i love Japanese companies. They have a completely different business model that is focuses on selling items based on their own merit, not the pitfalls of the competition. The PS3 stands on its own, it doesnt need to be compared to the 360 to know that it is awesome. The 360 must have a complex about the rrod issue so it picks on the minor flaws of everyone else, like the bullies in middle school that nobody liked.

MS just doesnt have anything good to say about the 360. Its quite obvious or they would be firing up the old hype machine and causing 13 year old boys everywhere to shake with excitement over whatever game they are going to stamp "halo" on next. Sony doesnt need to talk smack about MS because they have enough awesome stuff to say about the ps3 that they cant find time to even mention rrod.


Last edited by NoSmokingBandit on 3/19/2009 11:11:50 PM

AshT
AshT
12 years ago

Good one Ben…. Aaron Greenberg is a dumbass

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Microsoft has a history of hiring idiots as PR men. How about when Jeff Bell called hardcore gamers "losers"? Ummm, isn't that what Microsoft's userbase allegedly consists of?

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
12 years ago

Let's not be calling people names, okay?

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
12 years ago

Completely agree.

I just went to some sites a couple hours prior to reading this and saw a couple articles about what Aaron Greenberg had to say about the PS3, and i thought it was a complete waste of space that said very little. The statistics were the most informative out of everything said…

I really dont think the 360 to be a bad console but its these kinds of things that drive me further away from the system.
And really… they feel that great about out selling Sonys PS3 when the PS3 is twice the 360's cost? I would think they should have at least double the competitions sales to start boasting.

This is the main reason i cant wait for a price drop for the PS3. To shut Microsoft up!


Last edited by ThugNificent101 on 3/19/2009 11:51:51 PM

TheUglyBassist
TheUglyBassist
12 years ago

Yea, I can't imagine what their so pompous about. If I were them I'd be more concerned with improving upon my own products. I really dislike Microsoft. Which is, more or less, why I don't have a 360. Between that, the reliability (is this an issue with the new 360s?), and MGS4 the PS3 was the way to go for me.

shindelion
shindelion
12 years ago

Very true Ben, if anything Sony will say "our competitors" not giving any specific names.

karneli lll
karneli lll
12 years ago

ms is just worried coz they have no game to counter uncharted 2 and GoW 3. Honestly, how long will the halo smoke stay in the room.

And here's Sony's repair service; my ps3 is arriving on tuesday (six days after i mailed it)


Last edited by karneli lll on 3/20/2009 12:20:02 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

Kratos' blades will finish that busted machine off.

crawdaddy
crawdaddy
12 years ago

Oh! Did you have to get your PS3 repaired? I have been hearing so much about how they do not fail. B.S. Mine is bricked too along with thousands of others. Also the reason you are getting it back in 6 days is because they are sending you a different one that they have already repaired that someone else sent in that was crashed. They cycle repaired systems. They are called refurbished. Gee, where do you think they get all these? Could it be because they have such a high crash rate? Come on people, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!


Last edited by crawdaddy on 3/20/2009 8:47:40 AM

pillz81
pillz81
12 years ago

Wake white peoples! Ha! Stop Stickin' in our craw Crawdaddy. RRAAHH!


Last edited by pillz81 on 3/20/2009 3:28:03 PM

ImTheMan
ImTheMan
12 years ago

Awww ben now why did you have to go and get these guys all riled up?

jaybiv
jaybiv
12 years ago

That's the route taken by folks who know they have an inferior product offering. Keep talking down on your competition and hope the clueless masses believe you.

Fatcat3788
Fatcat3788
12 years ago

I remember a comment from Sony, once saying something in the lines of, "You can only push so far with shoddy hardware" Now the point here is… There were no fingers pointed but the sad part is that Kotaku made the article in question seem like they were pointing it directly at Microsoft. I don't doubt that they had Microsoft in mind, but don't you think that it's kinda obvious when someone mentions "shoddy hardware" and everyone immediately thinks a "certain" console?

In any case I like to think of it in terms of userbase statistics. Which in turn makes it a somewhat smart move on Microsoft's part. If we look at the userbase of each system owner… Microsoft's largest userbase is that of 10-15 year olds. From my experiences on a number of websites, these same aged kids are obviously what make up the stereotypical "fanboy" (and yes there are some on both sides) So whenever a Microsoft PR makes an accusation or an insult it fuels the ongoing "flame war" of said system. This in turn makes every single one of these people basically give Microsoft free publicity. After all, what good is news if it is all peace in love?

From my standpoint I actually don't condone this behaviour. I feel whenever they pull crap like this they are just presenting themselves as the very same people they are catering to. Which let's me feel pleased to be on Sony's side. In any case, my experiences online both on an Xbox and a PS3 have made me feel a certain way. I feel Sony has a more mature userbase than the Xbox userbase. Which definately seals my choice on which console I prefer. I also feel that in terms of being professional, Sony has the advantage which makes my purchase of said system of choice more than a good buy. It makes me feel like they deserve my purchase.

In my view it's Game: Set: Match.
END

FeyeR
FeyeR
12 years ago

lets not forget that the 3 year warrenties of most of the first xbox's ran out, so many of those xbox's sold from now on are bound to be pre-360-owners.

NightHawk17
NightHawk17
12 years ago

This guy is seriously a tool i wanna punch him in the jeans, you rarely see Sony hound MS, but every time MS says something about SONY it's always negative i honestly believe that they're scared and desperate


Last edited by NightHawk17 on 3/20/2009 1:05:30 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

Okay so here's something new other than just agreeing with Ben (which I do): Why in all these interviews does Microsoft and the 360 automatically get a pass? Why isn't anyone bringing up the issues everyone has brought up here, multiple purchases, reliability, reliance on only Gears and Halo, the fact that the system is maxed out already? Where is the journalism? Where is the "Hardball" of game discussion? It sickens me that they get a pass and basically are allowed to give a stump speech everytime they are interviewed.

Sir Shak
Sir Shak
12 years ago

Because it's an american company .

Alienange
Alienange
12 years ago

Oh snap!

BIG_E
BIG_E
12 years ago

Ben I said this a long time ago MS
shows fare.
They know when the small lead in sales is lost they lose.


Last edited by BIG_E on 3/20/2009 1:57:26 AM

crump602
crump602
12 years ago

MS is basiclly tryin to buy the respect of gamers and tryin TOO hard to be the "cool" kid on the block! MS wants so badly to be at the level that Sony and the Playstattion brand is at right now.
They pretty much been playin catch-up after the PS2 came out , but I'll tell u guys one thing, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL MS GUNNA GET THE RESPECT SONY GETS FROM DEV. & PUB. IN ITS 16+YRS IN THE BUSINESS!!!!!! Thats the only thing MS CANNOT BUY!

sonic
sonic
12 years ago

ps3

OriginalSin
OriginalSin
12 years ago

Well I try my best not to be a PS fanboy. But sometimes it's hard especially when ''others'' have a go at me by saying crap like that. I have this one friend that owns an Xbox (yeah that's right out of about 20 of my gaming buddies only 1 owns a Xbox… okay 2 of them but the 1 doesn't have a PS3) Anyway he always has a go at me saying how crap the games are, how there are no games and the usual old crap.

I always try my best not to get upset with him or people like him but I started realizing that he was just jealous and that's all. plus he was so uninformed it wasn't even funny.

You see he went to buy his first Xbox about a month before the PS3 launched in my country. Then I bought my PS3 on launch day. High price but with BC. He bragged and went on and on saying how bad the PS3 is and how the Xbox kicks ass. In all honesty those first couple of months I could really argue with him as the PS3 struggled as we all know.The only real draw card I had was Blu Ray . But then in reply he had ''…. well were getting HD DVD which is better…'' Blah blah F***** Blah.

So a couple of months passed, and when I saw him again he had a Black 360 (Elite) and not the other one he had first. So I asked him what happened. He said he ''upgraded''… Yeah right I think we all know what happened there as well. But I never said anything.

But here is the fun part. As the days went by the PS3 actually started getting their s*** together.The PS3 ports started getting better. Blu Ray owned HD DVD…. I smile. And the games start coming and coming and coming.

And I would say the final nail for him was when MGS4 came out. He was a very ,very big MGS fan believe it or not. But he was convinced Sony will loose it as an exclusive and it will be coming to the 360. So I got my copy played it… he waited…. I played it… He waited… I played it…He waited. Think you get the idea.

When he actually saw the game running on my brand new HDTV I could honestly say I saw tears in his eyes. Then on that day he actually realized our network was FREE and that I could do EVERYTHING he can do and more with my machine. just to rub some salt in it we watched a Blu Ray just before he left.

Since then the exclusives just kept on rolling in. Sure I was impressed with Gears 2, and I even enjoyed playing Fable a bit when I was at his place. But somehow it just never lived up to anything we have (except for Gears as I would have loved to have that on PS3).

But lately he has actually stopped ranting about how ''crap'' the PS3 is. I think it's because he has NOTHING left to say. Sure we lost some exclusives (GTA, FFXIII).But so did they.We got so many in return (MGS4,LBP, Resistance 2, Motorstorm, Uncharted: Among Thieves, GOW3,KZ2,GT5,Heavy Rain and the list keeps growing)

So at the end of the day I couldn't care less about MS ranting or any other Xbox Fanboy going off to his heart's content. I just let them have their 10 sec in the spotlight. I KNOW they actually have nothing on us. I think MS is starting to panic. The PS3 has a 10 year plan. And it's pretty clear it will go all the way and even beyond that 10 year plan.

If the new xbox comes out anytime soon I would have felt cheated as a consumer. Why did I have to buy a Gaming console just to buy the new version so soon after buying the first one…second one…third one… and finally the one they have no hoping it doesn't explode?

On the other hand can they leave the 360 up against the PS3 for another 6 years without a serious upgrade of sorts and still compete? No Blu Ray no HD DVD….? I don't know, and I'm not in a position to say either.

Don't get me wrong I don't hate the 360 or the Xbots, I would buy a 360 so I can play some of their Stellar exclusives. But I WILL NOT BUY ONE until I'm 100% sure it will not die on me more than once, or at all for that matter.

I might just ride it out and wait for MS next big console that might offer me something I worth while but right now they have nothing I desire… Gears series maybe…. Halo? hahahaha. We have Resistance and KILLZONE now. B-i-a-t-c-h-e-s. They have Fonza…sweet, but GT is on the way. You get my drift right.

Sorry for the long comment and all the ''ranting'' from my side. But I just had to voice my opinion. Sure there will be people that will disagree with me and that's fine. But I think there will be a lot more people that will agree with me thou.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

Read the whole thing! Nice story and thanks for the paragraphs.

Qubex
Qubex
12 years ago

Great read OriginalSin… thanks for the effort here!

Q!

"i am home"