We really have to look at history if we wish to become educated on…well, on anything . Granted, business can be fickle and Sony and Microsoft have switched roles in more ways than one in this new generation, but we can only go by what we've learned in the past. And if we examine the previous generation, one should compare the graphical leap shown on the systems.

Now, if you compare PS2 launch titles to later games like Final Fantasy XII , Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater , Gran Turismo 4 , and God of War II , it's like you're comparing titles on two completely different platforms. The reason for this, as everyone already knows, is because developers had a terrible time getting accustomed to the new architecture. They complained bitterly at the launch of the system, so it's no surprise that it took five or six years for the PS2 to start pumping out the truly brilliant-looking games. Now, these same developers complained in much the same fashion when the PS3 launched, but this time around, Sony appears to have offered much more in the way of help to third-party developers, and first-party developers are really excelling.

In direct comparison, we can't say the visuals in late-gen Xbox games looked that much different than Halo , and again, the reasons are obvious: developers loved how accessible the system was, and many claimed to be able to access much of the system's capability from the start. Again, that same thing happened with the 360, which is why we really haven't seen anything too massive in the way of visual leaps. Sure, Gears of War 2 looks amazing, but not significantly more amazing than the original. And some studios are even claiming they've already maxed out the 360, which you can choose to believe or not (we won't comment; we're not developers). On the flip side, Killzone 2 is absolutely the best-looking game of the generation (just trust us on this), and Guerilla has said they have not gone as far as they can with the PS3. Combine this with David Jaffe's comments concerning what he has seen of God of War III , and what we can probably expect in terms of visuals from other exclusives ( Gran Turismo 5 , Heavy Rain , Uncharted 2: Among Thieves , etc.)…and well, it seems quite clear.

From here on out, you will see the visual gap between the PS3 and 360 widen. It's basically inevitable, as Sony and more importantly, developers, have been saying since the start of the generation. Multiplatform titles will probably continue to look mostly the same across both consoles, but it's becoming clearer that if you let devs off the chain and dive into the PS3 without having to worry about the 360, they can really create something dazzling. Last generation, when the Xbox launched, its launch software put most PS2 games to shame (graphically). But by the time the generation was over, the aforementioned PS2 titles competed quite favorably with the best the Xbox has to offer. This time around, I think we're seeing an earlier-than-expected acceleration of the PS3's power, and the future exclusives will prove that Sony absolutely has the visual edge this time around. The only question is, how far will they push the gap…?

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AceTatsujin
AceTatsujin
12 years ago

Very, very far. Heavenly Sword was the start, Unchartered was there, MGS IV picked up and pushed the graphics, and here we have K2 storming through CELL and eating as much as 60% of its raw power and delivering outstanding graphics, the best game with graphics across all platforms that is and as of now.

wasim
wasim
12 years ago

well x360 is finished

27th february will be the nail in its coffin

PS3 will win this gen too. PS3 had a slow start

but after 27th it is all over for X360


Last edited by wasim on 1/29/2009 12:10:02 AM

rell
rell
12 years ago

Ive couldn't agree more. Ps3 is a beast.

PS3_Wizard
PS3_Wizard
12 years ago

Lol he said "unchartered"

AceTatsujin
AceTatsujin
12 years ago

Uncharted*

I'm a human, I make mistakes like you. 😛

PS3_Wizard
PS3_Wizard
12 years ago

I ain't human, I'mma Wizard!

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

im not sure if its gonna get any better than Gears 2 on the 360, id love to be proven wrong but not too sure


Last edited by aaronisbla on 1/28/2009 10:35:09 PM

wasim
wasim
12 years ago

KZ2 looks 50x better than Gears 2

Gears 2 looks more like a PS2 game vs uncharted so no need to even mention KZ2

A NEW TROLL ACCOUNT

are u mart from Xboxkings??

Gears 2 ?

that doesnt even look like a next gen game


Last edited by wasim on 1/29/2009 12:08:58 AM

NightHawk17
NightHawk17
12 years ago

i believe he's from the Psu forums if i'm correct

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

pardon me Ben…

wassim, why dont you just shut the f*ck up sometime? ive been here way longer than you so f*ck off fanboy, hell you give fanboys a horrible name. I don't understand how josh can catch flak but this sorry ass excuse for a fanboy doesn't


Last edited by aaronisbla on 1/29/2009 1:33:08 AM

somethingrandom
somethingrandom
12 years ago

@wasim
He's saying he doesn't think any future 360 games will be better than Gears2.

Naga
Naga
12 years ago

Why not just say Gears 2 is inferior to Killzone 2 but was the attack needed?

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Remember aaron. Its only fanboyish if I say it and if it is against Sony.

Josh is paid by MS.

Josh has never played a PlayStation. Hes knows nothing about them.

Josh is hear because he hates all Sony products. He has launched a crusade against the PS3.

Jeez man get in the program.

www
www
12 years ago

Hey Aaron,you brought this on yaself,i also thought u meant ps3's graphics won't be better than gears 2 in the future,next time try to form ya comments properly or else u catch unnecessary flak……..boy!

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

" im not sure if its gonna get any better than Gears 2 on the 360, id love to be proven wrong but not too sure"

www, i quoted myself because im really trying to see how i asked for this, when i clearly say on the 360, i didn't even mention ps3. Doesn't take a lot of reading skills to see that…

Orvisman
Orvisman
12 years ago

Actually, you're all wrong for attacking aaronisbla. It was clear to me what he meant.

Then again, I am a professional writer/editor.

The problem might have been with your comprehension of what he wrote not with WHAT he wrote.

PS3_Wizard
PS3_Wizard
12 years ago

Alright Aaron i know you've been here since early in the PSX days, and I usually respect your comments, but the way it was worded made me double-take a bit. Yes, by having the intellect that I do, I was able to re-read your post and I did get the meaning you were trying to present.

And I agree with you 100%…wasim is a stupid ass fanboy jerk-off, who should be put out of his misery. I understand what I just said was extreme, but 99% of that dumbass's posts are just plain retarded and fanboyesque. Wasim makes Josh look like a saint.


Last edited by PS3_Wizard on 1/29/2009 9:25:49 AM

www
www
12 years ago

okaaaaaaayyyy mister aaron,take it eazy,i guess i read ur statement in a hurry,i've read it again n it makes sense,r u satisfied NOW!

www
www
12 years ago

aaron i understood ya comment the first time, but u should know that, not everyone here is american,PSX is worldwide so is all other sites thus,don't write to the understandin' of only ur fellow americans.

Hey then i guess Wasim n aaron need to exchange apologies ,cause Wasim got it completely MISUNDERSTOOD n u aaron……..pounced on him too quickly,alright????? So everybody is happy n then we can all sleep well at night….lol!


Last edited by www on 1/29/2009 10:13:52 AM

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

i didnt mean to sound harsh www, my bad, but my comment to wasim stands, he read it the way he wanted to, he is always quick to call someone out for being a fanboy if they even say something favorable about the 360

hell i enjoy my ps3 a lot more but i didnt think i would have to state that before commenting

Jed
Jed
12 years ago

I don't see why people are having a hard time understanding it.

chicko1983
chicko1983
12 years ago

The gap will be a bit clearer for everyone to see when Killzone is released.
I personally dont think the xbox360 will be around too much longer and MS will announce their next system sometime in 2010

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

Chicko makes an interesting point, what would it do to the industry if a system and its direct competitor no longer went head to head but instead took their own path? Would people rake M$ over the coals because the 360 couldn't keep up with the PS3 and they had to release a second machine (technically in the same generation) to compete? Interesting questions these.

chicko1983
chicko1983
12 years ago

yeah but I would expect that MS would take the angle that they won this console generation because they have more sales at the time of announcing their next system.
They already said something along those lines by saying that the system which sells 20m consoles first wins based on previous generations of consoles.
I expect the ps3 to last 10yrs min giving it far better lifetime sales than the xbox360.
As I said on another page, I expect the next xbox wont be a huge leap forward and will only bring it up to the same capabilities as the ps3. They cant afford to release a system more expensive than the ps3 in this economic climate.

PS3_Wizard
PS3_Wizard
12 years ago

Yeah WEWM:

except I've said the same things a few days ago 😛

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

my bad, you know what they say about great minds.

PS3_Wizard
PS3_Wizard
12 years ago

They think alike my friend!

godsman
godsman
12 years ago

Killzone is great, but in the interview with the developer, they said they limited Killzone 2 to 720p because they want to keep the game smooth. Dont get me wrong, its a first day purchase for me. It made me think that the 1080p isnt an ideal resolution for the PS3, maybe PS4 things all games will be 1080p. Maybe the developers will find a way around that, we'll see…

ThugNificent101
ThugNificent101
12 years ago

thats actually somewhat of an old statement.
It was confirmed as early as November of 2008 that Killzone 2 would natively support 1080i resolution


Last edited by ThugNificent101 on 1/28/2009 11:56:09 PM

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

hate to play devils advocate but 1080p =/= 1080i

Akuma_
Akuma_
12 years ago

um….aaron….we know?

i can only pump out 1080i either ways atm.
so im not fused.

is 1080p much of a jump in quality to 1080i?

PS3_Wizard
PS3_Wizard
12 years ago

Allow the Wizard to ellaborate:

1080i and 1080p are different!

The only difference is the way the the lines are loaded onto the screen. Interlaced images load lines through odd's and evens. The even's will load first shortly followed by odd's. eg. 2,4,6,8,10 will load, then 1,3,5,7,9 etc… etc..

1080p … Progressive scan images will load sequentially which will result in the same 1080 resolution. No image quality difference if your watching a true 1080HD film or programme.

The only difference is when you watch your standard definition programming or dvd's on a 1080i display. Progressive scan sets will display standard definition far better than interlaced display technology.

You don't really want to be playing standard definition through 1080i anyway. 720p is about as high as you can go without noticing any substantial image quality loss from standard definition.

King James
King James
12 years ago

Allow KJ to add his 2 pennies:

1080p pwns 1080i!

It takes a good TV to prove it though. That's why XBoxHeads generally don't respect it though. Most of them got TVs that only do 720p.

daggre
daggre
12 years ago

I don't know about this – I own both systems and while there are some great looking PS3 games I haven't seen anything that compares with Gears 2 (and before you flame me, I own Resistance FoM 2 and played – and loved – Uncharted so I'm considering those as well). Resistance2 is the best I've seen so far on the PS3, but the textures and environments all feel distinctly angular compared to what you see with Gears2. From what I've seen of K2 it looks very good, especially the particle effects of the smoke and fire, but again, they are also VERY good in Gears2. I think Sony chose a relatively weak GPU compared to the 360, even though I prefer nVidia to ATI for PC cards (because of the drivers) it just seems underpowered especially in terms of frame rate and anti-aliasing.

Now where I think we WILL see a gap widen is in AI and physics, since the CPU-lets on the cell can do those calculations without relying on the underpowered GPU, but I don't think we'll see huge differences in still shots going forward, just in the realistic AI and environmental deformation, etc. I could be wrong, we'll see…

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

I here this all the time but when I look it up, it says ps3 is twice as powerful, wher does it say otherwise.ps3gpu=1.8tflop 360gpu=0.9tflop, even teamxbox says so. so where do people comeup with this?

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
12 years ago

If you're not considering MGS4, you need to play it before forming that opinion fully.

wasim
wasim
12 years ago

Uncharted looks way better than anything on X360

most x360 games are clearly outdated

Ofcourse KZ2 looks 50x better than all x360 games

Sadly, x360 cant even run games at 1080p

Zeppo
Zeppo
12 years ago

Back in 2005 or something, some "theoretical" specs started to get spread around. "Theoretical" in this case meaning some fanboy spinning a wheel of numbers and just assigning the lowest ones to the ps3. then sites like this one http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=19237 posted stats a full five months before the ps3 was even released, showing that even when your 360 goes RRoD, it is still going to run laps around the ps3. That site is still the first google result nearly 3 years later by the way, so I would assume that is where this crap comes from.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

i love R2 as much as the next person, but im just wondering why you compared it to Gears 2, when you got MGS4 out and about, looking much better than resistance 2, and in my opinion, slightly better than gears

ec0li
ec0li
12 years ago

He's comparing the games he has/played and not the games he does not have/played.


Last edited by ec0li on 1/29/2009 2:02:35 AM

Aftab
Aftab
12 years ago

MGS4 is in a completely higher level in graphics…in animation, color, detail, art-style, and video quality. I understand diplomacy, but, for example, one need not opine the color of the sky. I can only guess that you are using an older-tech TV, where you are not getting the full quality of hd-graphics, but I saw the difference even on my 22" lcd monitior. My 40" one just made the difference more obvious.


Last edited by Aftab on 1/29/2009 2:22:56 AM

www
www
12 years ago

MGS IV has the best graphics this gen THUS FAR!!!!

Akuma_
Akuma_
12 years ago

the cell barely even needs a GPU =D

CELL FTW!!!!

Orvisman
Orvisman
12 years ago

@daggre,

I have all three systems… and you're wrong about the games you mention. And you need to include MGS4 as well.

@Wasim

But all 360 game boxes list a resolution of 1080p! 😉

King James
King James
12 years ago

@daggre

Sorry, I had to stop reading your post b/c u said that u didn't have Uncharted and you didn't mention MGS4. R2 is has very good graphics but it's no where close to best the PS3 currently offers graphically. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Get ur PS3 library up b4 u start forming opinions.

Arkhon
Arkhon
12 years ago

Yeah, the water in the part with the giant fish is freaking amazing. About the only way they could increase the realism there is by making the boat stay wet after it is covered in water.

isaya85
isaya85
12 years ago

Its interesting cuz M$ claim they are going to stick it out with Sony but they keep cutting the price on the xbox just to stay competitive and its like how low is it going to go until they price themselves out of the console war its already rumor of another price cut, people that want one already have one so whats left to buy, PS3 and this will be the year to invest in the PS3 it has the best line up and the games will certainly separate PS3 from the competition

PSN ID Biggest_GMoney

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I will get a 360 when it's free with a pack of smokes 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

^^^congratulations.

Qubex
Qubex
12 years ago

If it was free I would use it immediately as a second door stop. The first one is the Wii!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"