It's a question that probably has no real foundation in the business world; I'm almost certain it can't possibly work this way. I'd like to believe that no developer would compromise their final, ultimate vision by a publisher's pressure to finish the project ASAP. But then again, with the ailing economy and Sony's need to push more hardware, you never can tell what the future holds…

As we all know, there are many PS3 exclusives coming up and some of them could turn out to be legitimate system-sellers. Gran Turismo 5 may head the list, but let's not forget about God of War III , Heavy Rain , Uncharted 2: Among Thieves , and off in the future, Final Fantasy Versus XIII . But they're all still a ways off – at least 6 months, I would think – and Sony could use a major console pusher. Killzone 2 should kick off a fairly substantial PS3 sales spike, but that will probably only last a month or two. Sony will want to keep that momentum, and if there's too large a gap between hotly anticipated exclusive software, that could represent another unwanted lull. Therefore, might it be possible that Sony is putting a little pressure on the publishers involved to finish up the big projects? I really don't think anyone could convince someone like Kazunori Yamauchi to "rush" something like GT5, but with other games, who knows?

I am no expert on the inner workings of the video game business, so this may sound like complete hogwash. But logically speaking, it may be a viable argument, and we have heard developers complaining of pushy publishers in the past. They don't typically announce these complaints publicly – nobody wants to piss off the company that will distribute their game – but we're relatively certain studios have dealt with antsy publishers in the past. This could become even more legitimate if the developers in question start missing deadlines; this is not a time for big delays, and Sony knows it. But as always, we remain stoic in our belief that no developers should ever be rushed…not ever. Let them work to make the best game possible, and we'll be happy. We're not that impatient and we almost always have plenty of great titles to tide us over. Really, we're just saying.

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Qubex
Qubex
12 years ago

Desperate?

Q!

"i Am HomE"

Ed_Wayne
Ed_Wayne
12 years ago

I really hope that Sony doesn't rush anyone. I just want to play good games.

God of War 3
Team Ico's game
Gran Turismo 5

Those are some games that I KNOW will be universally regarded as some of the best games this generation. More importantly, I know I will love them. But only if these developers are given all the time they need. I'm pretty sure we're looking at Q1 2010 for all 3 of them. And you know what? That's fine by me. Quality. That's all I want.

laxpro2001
laxpro2001
12 years ago

Agreed… I'd rather wait and be extremely pleased with the end result… though producers could hurry a little on FF and abandon the 360 version so I can possibly get to play KH III before I graduate college -_-

www
www
12 years ago

As much we'd all love to give developers all the time in the world to put out the best;i don't think MS are waiting around,their sales keep going up and if ps3 wants to catch up and surpass,i think the exclusives might need to be rushed.
360 was rushed and consumers except me, showed that it paid off,the system was faulty yet they went in for it,why shouldn't Sony do the same especially in times like this when they really need sp3 sales up.

laxpro2001
laxpro2001
12 years ago

Yes rushing did pay off for the 360, however thats only because it was the first Next-Gen system on the market. So people didn't have anything to compare it to and see that it was crappy quality.

Now if Sony decided to rush publishers and the end result was crappy games, since people now have a choice, they might decide to buy a 360

The way I look at it, if people would complain about waiting for a game to be released and start bashing the ps3, they probably aren't mature enough to buy a game or let alone the system

coverton341
coverton341
12 years ago

@laxpro

Unfortunately for all of us mental maturity and financial stability do not go hand in hand.
I know many a person who own 360's for the simple fact that "it has more games", "Sony takes to long with the delaystation", and all the other horse crap that is said, and all of these people are very able to buy a PS3 if they were so inclined but don't due to the previously stated reasons. It makes me want to slap people sometimes but hey whatcha gonna do you know?

Fatcat3788
Fatcat3788
12 years ago

Well from what we hear of how Sony works with Insomniac then it shouldn't be a problem. Insomniac always praises Sony on how they don't make them rush their products or expect Halo-killers or anything like that. I just hope that Sony treats all their exclusive developers that way… ESPECIALLY ICO. All I can say is DO NOT RUSH THEM.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
12 years ago

sony owns ico =)

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

In my opinion there is too many ANTICIPATED titles for ps3 that may collide with each other and force delay, like r2 did to kz2. in the case of kz2 it actually got more spare time in the production line, benefiting the overall quality of the game. I think that this is what may happen to Uncharted 2 vs God of War 3 vs Gran turismo 5, if Uncharted is finished near the holiday season it may push gow3 and gt5 back, and further more gow3 may push gt5 back ,vise versa. Though you could also suggest that Uncharted may be rushed a bit so as to further extend the time intervials, meaning that u2 may drop part of the quality but gow3 and gt5 may increase in quality.

As for consel pusher, I think that mag,team ico's project, ff13v, gow3, gt5 and kz2 will push the most with the other titles not appealing as much. Though any game with a fair amount of comercial time will push consels, and great games that are hidden from public (mgs4) will not.


Last edited by ps92117 on 1/25/2009 11:45:06 PM

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

ps I think that if noughty dog and insomniac went back to j&d and r&d those would push a fair amount of consels, given comercial time ofcourse.

Bill_Clinton_
Bill_Clinton_
12 years ago

the person who wrote this article does sound like a hogwash.. i just think your trying to stir up something that doesn't need stirred..

@ps92117 one thing about the games you just named is that there all differnt so even if they all came out months apart from each other i still think there going to sell.. in the upcoming months we have kz2,infamous,and mlb the show 2009 and all three games will sell in its own right just because there all differnt.. i feel sony doing awesome right now theres alot of momentum with kz2 and its going to continue with mlb 2009..

We start with a awesome year for gaming….

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

ben, the person who wrote this very respected here and I think he wrote it for the sake of a discussion, not to "stirred up" something as yopu sugessted

Qubex
Qubex
12 years ago

Bill Clinton, please consider removing yourself from here if you are going to criticize Ben in an un-educated misinformed way. Whilst constructive criticism is always acceptable, to blatantly call the author of the article a "hogwash" is quite severe…

Q!

"i aM hOme"


Last edited by Qubex on 1/26/2009 1:04:40 AM

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Are you in any way related to SARAHPALINMILF?

Bill_Clinton_
Bill_Clinton_
12 years ago

i completely understand theres alot of tittles coming out this year so i do see where hes coming from.. i guess i reacted at not him personally or the article its just sony an the ps3 which i own been getting attack with a hole alot of bad press in the gaming world if you know what i mean an for the longest time people been saying sony has no games, sony has no games.. but then yet when sony gets game so how some way theres haters still trying to bring them down..

so i apologize..

i'm very passionate about gaming

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

LOL, I think Ben single-handedly murdered the no-games argument in several articles.

LCF
LCF
12 years ago

I think this past Nov-Dec just showed us what happens when you push all your games for the holiday season.Alot of great titles got over looked on both consoles. I Believe that triple A titles should be spread out,maybe like 1 every 3-4 months.If any game that needs to be pushed thats fine with me,that will just add more polish to the game like what happen with Killzone 2.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

I dont know..

I heard alot of ruckus before about MGS4 and LBP. I know they wont rush them. But in this time im finding it harder and harder to believe that any one title will do much to push a $400 console in this time.

Now if the $299 rumors are true and they manage to get atleast 2 of those in before the holiday season. I could see some decent sales.

Qubex
Qubex
12 years ago

Joshua, you should really have your head read… and read by the almighty… decent sales, the Ps3 is about 8 million units behind the 360. It is almost twice as expensive and was a year later than the 360… if you do the maths statistically… in its first two and half years of the Ps3's life, it is fairing far better comparatively to the Xbot and Xbot360. If you also care to take into consideration, Ps3 sales number are tracking what the Ps2 did all those years ago… therefore, if the Ps3 does have a life of 7 to 10 years (realistically), we "should" have a 100 million sold…

You need to think a little and consider statistics and fact. Yes Ps3 is more expensive and we know sales could be better if the price were reduced; and reduced it shall be within months.

Yes we know the 360 is "easier" to develop for, but we also know that once developers start to show what they can really do with the Ps3 hardware set, we should start to see games (generally) looking superior on the Ps3 than on the 360 (at least the exclusives anyway)… Killzone 2 is case in point… something you cannot possibly deny.. unless you want to lie to yourself…

Yes we know Xbot Live my be "better" in some ways (minimanily now)… but once Home is full fleshed out it will put Xbot Live to shame… again, you have to think 2 years from now to get a perspective of where it is going…

Yes we know games can be made and developed for DVD, but once movie and game media start the migration to 3D… Blu Ray will come into its own…

It is all there waiting to happen… and it will happen, and you cannot stop it… and denying it just means you are lying to yourself…

Q!

"i aM hOme"


Last edited by Qubex on 1/26/2009 1:14:34 AM

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

unlike before joshua is not being biased,a 400$ consel is hard to push when its competitor is only half the price, however joshua like many of us say sony does not like to advertise, if they would have taken the time to advertise, ps3 would not have sold so low, and indeed with a price cut I think ps3 would sell like it was doing in the first half of 08 beating 360.

ps, joshua I still expect you to slip again.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

You guys are missing the point. And stop with the "this year that year" crap. The developers care about the NOW. Not what might happen in 2 years.

Now I have no idea where the home/Live argument came from. But your obviously biased to the point of no other. Home may be cool to some but its not attractive to me. Nothing against it just I dont see the fun in living in a fake world. Im perfectly fine having real friends thank you.

Now about advertising. Sony has recently released studies showing the value. The problem with it is the price, and soon to be changed lack of hot titles. You know what made the PS2 so successful? The was a game machine FIRST and that you could also watch dvds if you wanted to. For some time now the PS3 has simply been a chariot for bluray, with the fact that it could also play games. That mentality is changing thankfully and im looking forward to old favorites being released.


Last edited by n/a on 1/26/2009 2:01:48 AM

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

Nice joshua do you plan on buying a ps3, maybe then you can actually judge home. LOL when you said "now about advertising" did you plan to talk about sony's advertising, or was that just few extra words meant to make the overall comment look longer. take a look at what you said ""THIS YEAR that year" crap. The developers care about the NOW." there just something bothering me about that part of the comment, don't know what it is. but anyway sorry for taking into account the past. Oh I completely agree with the last part. 🙂 don't slip up ok.

Zorigo
Zorigo
12 years ago

$299, thats like £170. wow.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

IDK if I will. My favorite games GTA and CALL of Duty are both on the 360..With GTA having DLC and Call of Duty having an amazing online service.

It all depends on the reports I hear about GT5 and Kill Zone 2. As those look promising..If they bring it down I might look into it. But im not willing to pay that much to play just a couple games I cant get on my Elite.

Qubex
Qubex
12 years ago

You're lucky your Elite is still running ok 🙂

Q!

"i aM hOme"

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Why thank you. Even tho for some odd reason ( who knows what that could be) I dont think you truly meant it.

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
12 years ago

Well quality defines "System Seller" status but I know for a fact that rushing a production exists in other entertainment media. I heard that is what happened to Haze, no?


Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 1/26/2009 1:50:54 AM

Zorigo
Zorigo
12 years ago

haze was both delayed and rushed. it got screwed.

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
12 years ago

i say get Tekken 6 and FF13 back 🙂

www
www
12 years ago

Oh naaaw,then 360 would be gameless this year,let them have it,we already got enough exclusives on our plate.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

^^^Ignorant much?

coverton341
coverton341
12 years ago

I don't think it is that ignorant maybe a bit over-zealous but can you really name any AAA titles coming to the 360 this year that are confirmed that are not on the PS3?

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

just ff13 is all I care about, and joshua the 360 without ff13 and tekken6 is almost gameless. you would only have res evil5 and sf4 that could be consider quality. sorry but it is the truth.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Gameless? This year is going to kick ass for me.

First we will have a new call of duty, then we got 2 episodes for GTA and then we got 2 new Halos coming out. Im going to love it.

But for other titles just look at the upcoming games section at Xbox.

Banky A
Banky A
12 years ago

Are you serious Josh?
LOLz, what he said was pretty funny

>=]

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

As much as I hate to admit it M$ knows how to make a system seller, no it has nothing to do with the game itself but the advertising. Even the most phenomenal of PS3 exclusives will have trouble pushing a system unless they can convince half the world they must have it, and if you watch TV you will see even the Shooter/Graphics whore shows are reticent to say KZ2 is anything special.

That said, back on topic now with the rushing thing, if Sony just stopped announcing games five years before they were ever likely to come out then we wouldn't get this bad rap of being slaves that sit wait on our "delaystation" The truth is most games get delayed, but showcasing them too early causes so many problems it makes us fans appear foolish. And NO, I don't think it's Sony-style to force out gimped games like M$ already has (this is just a fact) I only see evidence of Sony being helpful.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Thats my point exactly. You need the titles and the price that people are willing to pay for it.

I cant tell you how many PS2 owners are waiting for it to become more affordable. They also cant afford to lose any more exclusives. As fans of the genre will simply buy that title and a 360 for about half. Especially because the 360 most likely has a more active online service and DLC.


Last edited by n/a on 1/26/2009 2:19:20 AM

Zorigo
Zorigo
12 years ago

sony need to learn what advertising is.
@joshua, do you mean ps3 owners?


Last edited by Zorigo on 1/26/2009 2:18:42 AM

Wage SLAVES
Wage SLAVES
12 years ago

Ya got a point Josh. You know I really dont think there is a person that wouldn't chose against the PS3 if the Price was right. Its just BAD timing with the economy and all. They do have a slew of potential PS3 customers that are just waiting but as you said below they are in a catch-22.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Thank you finally.

I will always say and stand behind that Sony choose bluray over games this gen. They underestimated the Wii and the 360 and they paid for it.

You cant lose your hottest titles and price it heavily above the competition and expect to win. Now if they come out with some smashing titles, get the word out and drop the price just watch in AMAZEMENT as them things sell. Will Sony do this? That has yet to be seen.


Last edited by n/a on 1/26/2009 2:32:28 AM

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

For sony to have "lost" some of its exclusives, its doing pretty well, considering the fact that they didn't lose it all together since they are still available on ps3.

Lets be real here for a moment josh, both companies have shot themselves in the foot this gen. Neither side did themselves a favor at the start of each consoles life. MS rushing out a console with console killing defects just to beat sony to the punch. Beating them to the punch was a good move, but it doesn't seem like its been all that helpful if you aren't putting out something more reliable. Also, instead of trying to secure exclusive dLC, they should try getting more of their studios to help put out AAA caliber games, cuz from the looks of it, first party games are really in sony's favor.

Sony shot themselves by being waaay too confident imo, and with little advertisement on what matters most, its games. I don't agree with you that they put the system out for blu ray first, games second, but thats just an opinion. But i think it says something that they are behind by 8 million units with a year late head start and a larger price tag. To me, thats not bad at all. Sure, they would sell more if it was reduced ( might even catch up and surpass 360 if they dropped it to $299 )

As far as online is concerned, i think most would agree that the xbox live is better as far as what it offers, but some people like to assume that because of this, psn online is craptacular for online gaming because its free, but i think most people with a brain know that isnt the case. People act as if no one will be online for ps3 games, as if you would enter a CoD4 game and find no one to play. Both services do what i like, that is playing games online. Thats all that matters to me, but one is free.

And yes, we know all about the newer 360s thats built better nowadays, but it doesnt erase the fact that MS made a large mistake, im actually surprised they didn't catch more flak for the debacle

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

and when you think about it, eventually third party exclusives was going the way of the dodo bird regardless this gen, too much money that goes into the games for some of them to keep it exclusive unless money is exchanged ( not sure what sony did to keep mgs4 exclusive, but whatever they did, that was smart )

Anyone who is still surprised when a former exclusive goes mulitplatform need to wake up, goes for both systems


Last edited by aaronisbla on 1/26/2009 3:31:43 AM

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

You make good points. MS should have worked more on hardware and Sony should have worked more on the software aspect.

Both have been working and improving their flaws. But Sonys problem is hurting them more in the way how this economy has changed. Sony couldn't have seen the recession ahead and went all out hardware wise. The tech was expensive and not yet mainstream. Hopefully as costs come down and bluray continues towards the masses we will see the PS3 succeed. Im all for competition. The better the PS3 does the more MS will step up. Its a win/win for us all.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
12 years ago

yeah you do too, i can remember being not too happy with both companies at the start, nowadays its good to see both of them striving to improve on certain aspects that need improving.

Hell, i almost bought a wii at the start…..eww

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Thanks man you got my respect. The more they fix their issues the better it will be for both.

And you almost bought a Wii? Thank god you dident dude…I know you got bigger balls then that.


Last edited by n/a on 1/26/2009 9:59:54 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
12 years ago

Bloody hell, stop derailing my threads Josh.

Zorigo
Zorigo
12 years ago

if they did this they would be screwing those who already have a ps3, and you don't wanna do that to the people that have helped you so much this far. especialy those day1-60GB-ers

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

They would be screwing themselves. They cant drop a price on a product that is losing money at its current.

ps92117
ps92117
12 years ago

joshua do you mean loosing money because It cost more to manufacture than to sell, or are you also taking into account published software, and microtransitions as well?

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Im talking about hardware. Sony can make money of software but not enough to balance out the losses at this time.