Many gamers are fine with an extended console life cycle for this generation, as are several outspoken developers.

But not everyone thinks a console cycle lasting 7-10 years is a good idea. Take Square Enix Worldwide Technology Director Julien Merceron, for example, who told GamesIndustry.biz that Sony and Microsoft's decision to elongate this generation was the "biggest mistake they've ever made."

Merceron weighed the pros and cons of releasing a new machine with simple architecture versus a console with a complex makeup. He also said he'd like to see Sony ditch the Cell and proprietary tech in the next generation. Added Merceron:

"Now you don't need to manage longevity by complexity of programming, because your longevity is ensured by your online model. And I would suggest that maybe we don't want long generations. We have Sony and Microsoft talking about this generation lasting 7,8,9 or even 10 years and it's the biggest mistake they've ever made.

This generation has been way too long, and I say this because you have a lot of developers that work on a new platform, and perhaps will not succeed, so they will wait for the next generation, and will jump on that platform. You could not do that with this generation though. So these developers went elsewhere to see if the grass was greener. They found web browsers, they found iOS, they found other things and a lot of them won't come back to the hardware platforms. So you could look at it that thanks to Microsoft and Sony and the length of this generation, it helped the emergence of other platforms and helped them get strong before the next hardware comes out."

Do you believe that the added years in this generation have opened the door for other platforms? Or do you think that would've happened, anyway? Personally, I don't think launching the PS4 or Xbox 720 earlier would've had the slightest impact on the casual/mobile gaming explosion, which was inevitable given the extreme popularity of smartphones and tablets. But that's just me.

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cLoudou
cLoudou
8 years ago

Why in the hell would SE be complaining? Maybe if you've made more than 1 1/2 games I would agree but they've taken the entire generation working on Versus and FFXIV and they are still not finished.

Deathb4Dishonor
Deathb4Dishonor
8 years ago

Agreed and not only that, they have yet to give us anything we asked for… FFXIII wasn't a good game really and far from a traditional Final Fantasy, FFXIII-2 had a horrid ending with a to be continued, No FFvsXIII, No FF remakes, no nothing… I'm suprised their still in business the way their doing this generation… not a single thing… Hopefully if this generation lasted 7 or 8 years mayb VS will come out by then but from that comment it sounded like they wanted that game in the next generations systems

Qubex
Qubex
8 years ago

Exactly, they should just go back to their roots and make good games. Make a Final Fantasy for Android and iOS too… they should should stop complaining, make good games, and the sales and money will come!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

richfiles
richfiles
8 years ago

You know… What DOES Square-Enix know anymore. They know how to make a game pretty, but forgot how to make GAMES.

I'll start listening to what Square has to say when they are relevant in the game industry again. The only thing they are good for these days, is re-releases of old titles.

Square needs to be less concerned with the processing power of their pretty graphics makers and learn to do good games again…

Shut up Square, you're making people laugh!

Drake_RB3
Drake_RB3
8 years ago

I agree with you Ben. My students are ridiculously addicted to mobile games and they keep finding more and more. They gobble up one game, play it for a week and then move on to another one.

Personally, I don't see the need. I'd much rather play a story-driven game.

I also find it funny that this statement comes from a company who needs to outsource to other developers to work on new (or finish current) games. They should be happy the current generation is longer. Instead of spending the first year of the new console figuring out how to make the best game possible.


Last edited by Drake_RB3 on 7/10/2012 9:51:37 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Thumbs up just for being a teacher.

Lemon_Saint
Lemon_Saint
8 years ago

Thumbs up for being a working teacher … my wife and 187 other teachers were just laid off in our district alone.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

That's a real shame Lemon, such a bad direction for the country.

Drake_RB3
Drake_RB3
8 years ago

Thanks for the props, guys.

Yea, teachers are in a rough spot now, and tenure isn't doing some great teachers any favors.

Lots of politics and budgeting sadly get priority, when students passing Algebra and other subjects should come first.

I feel like doing a Limit Break on Governor Christie sometimes.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Only Omnislash would take him down.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
8 years ago

Drake_RB3,

Another one I see from our state that doesn't like Christie or his bullying ways to get things done.

And that fat ba$tard pork-belly's so big around, that he could snout-snort an entire Dunking Donuts shop in only one inhale.

(BTW, I live right outside of Ocean City)


Last edited by BikerSaint on 7/10/2012 7:48:59 PM

DjEezzy
DjEezzy
8 years ago

I agree with you ben and cloudou. This guy obviously is making excuses at this point. The explosion in mobile gaming would've happened anyways. This article just makes me laugh. These type of comments make me respect Shinji Mikami far more than this dude. LOL. I'm glad this generation has lasted as long as it has and i hope it lasts much longer. Whats the point of coming out with such a robust system if you're not going to get longevity out of it. It's actually refreshing to see something last more than a year and not be put out by the next generation of hardware like every other computer or phone now a days. Seems like every couple months there is the next and biggest thing. It's pretty much impossible to keep up with these new gadgets and electronics. This world moves at such a fast pace now that it's good to have something like the ps3 that actually lasts. This guys has no clue what he's talking about and it just seems as if he's in a panic now trying to justify why his games aren't as great as they used to be. Oh well… Moving on…

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
8 years ago

Agreed. These mobile devices supplied a foundation in which devs make games. It was not because MS or Sony have elongated this current gen by not introducing new hardward.

Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

Agreed.

If anything, the boost in mobile games could eventually lead to a boost in console game development.

Beamboom
Beamboom
8 years ago

I agree that it would make no difference if the next consoles were released earlier. It's actually a pretty extreme overestimation of what role the consoles play in this.

Also that part about those who gave up on this platform (I assume he think of the Japanese here) are just waiting for the next were really, really weird. Does he think it will be easier with the next gen? That it will be a kind of a "reset" where everyone are back on square one?


Last edited by Beamboom on 7/10/2012 10:19:47 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

He's predicating his little theory on the idea that Sony and MS SHOULD make their consoles easier to develop for to suit their ailing skills.

Comic Shaman
Comic Shaman
8 years ago

What a bizarre leap of logic. Ben is right that the diversification of gaming devices was going to happen no matter what went on in the console world.

And the company that's responsible Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Kingdom Hearts 3 is not in any position to throw stones about taking "way too long" with anything.

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
8 years ago

Got that right!

Axe99
Axe99
8 years ago

ROFL, well said 🙂

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
8 years ago

"This generation has been way too long, and I say this because you have a lot of developers that work on a new platform, and perhaps will not succeed, so they will wait for the next generation, and will jump on that platform."

You know I never thought about that, but he does have a good point.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
8 years ago

Not really… If I'm a developer and a game doesn't do well, I certainly wouldn't sit around waiting for the next generation. Thats stupid business. *let's see, the business lost money, so let's sit around and do nothing and make no money for a year or so…* Kind of defeats the purpose of running a business.

Akuma_
Akuma_
8 years ago

I agree, his statement makes no sense from a business standpoint.

It kind of proves to the world how much Japanese devs have slipped. If there are developers over in Japan that REALLY think this way, then gee, it's no wonder jap games suck now.

Because in all honesty, western devs don't do this. A LOT of game devs fail due to sucking at the hardware, they usually either A) Close down, or B) Practise more, and prepare better for the next game they make, which almost always is an improvement. So much so, that in a few years, all games on the console start to really shine.

When was the last time you seen a western game that sucked so hard from bugs?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Apparently it hasn't been long enough for them to put out a good game.

Sony and MS need to make a profit on their investment so no the long cycle is not their big mistake and mobile iOS and Android and other platforms were going to come out and draw devs no matter what. If they weren't good enough and had to go to a lesser plat then that was going to happen anyway.

xenris
xenris
8 years ago

I can't believe they are saying this. Since when do graphics have anything to do with making great games. All of Squares great games were built on old technology…so I guess they are just making excuses now?

Maybe they should release versus already before everyone gives up on them…if they already haven't.

Amnesiac
Amnesiac
8 years ago

No.
I feel the name "Square Enix" has gone on long enough, stop the charade already.
Squaresoft: in intellectual property only
Enix: in their business model, games and quality control of said games.
sooo…
How about a name that advertises what you really are?

Enix Squared

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
8 years ago

Square Enixed seems more appropriate to me, but I get your point. 🙂

Rogueagent01
Rogueagent01
8 years ago

He is crying foul because they have mismanaged the hell out of this generation internally. And since they have a new engine that requires new tech he thinks calling Sony and Microsoft out will make it seem like their games have suffered because of them and not because of SE.

Nice try, but there seems to be quite a few companies making money off of this generation the way it is, and I am sure they will be happy to move to the next generation so long as it doesn't double or triple their development costs.

A good portion of companies are always gonna fail, it is the world we live in. It doesn't matter if a new generation came out tomorrow you will still have companies that fail. And if SE doesn't get their s**t together by the end of this generation the next will be their last, you can quote me on that.

Deathb4Dishonor
Deathb4Dishonor
8 years ago

couldn't have said it better myself

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
8 years ago

<<<<<This generation has been way too long>>>>>

It's a shame the $E doesn't practice what they preach……..

…..RPG gamers could say that very same thing about a FFVII remake.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

And Versus

Rogueagent01
Rogueagent01
8 years ago

And a real Front Mission

Deathb4Dishonor
Deathb4Dishonor
8 years ago

And another Grandia would be awesome too

DrRockso87
DrRockso87
8 years ago

And Chrono Break.


Last edited by DrRockso87 on 7/10/2012 11:49:40 AM

Ignitus
Ignitus
8 years ago

And a new Vagrant Story.

shadowscorpio
shadowscorpio
8 years ago

Love it. SE should take a look that Biker Saints comment and the responses then look in the mirror the next time they want to criticize a company for taking too long to do something.

Riku994
Riku994
8 years ago

*Complains about long generation, can't finish Versus*

FxTales
FxTales
8 years ago

lol the best counter-argument simplified right there.

duomaxwell007
duomaxwell007
8 years ago

i dont agree i mean not all of us have 600 dollars to spend on a new console ever 3 years.. heck if ps4 didnt come out til 2020 Id be happy

monkeypunch
monkeypunch
8 years ago

duomaxwell – You hit the nail on the head. The real issue is, "…not all of us have 600 dollars to spend on a new console…".

If a new system came out then would all the publishers target that system and not the current? I don't know. It would suck if they did and upgrading wasn't an option. But in the past the publishers have stayed with the current system for 2 or 3 years *AFTER* a new system came out.

The other issue when new consoles come out is backwards compatibility. Do you have to buy all new games? If yes then yeah it sucks. I don't remember how long PS2 compatibility lasted. Not sure how well XBox either. I remember a few games I couldn't play on the new system. That sucked. Of course you could get a input switcher.

What if phones releases were like consoles? That would suck. Phones are still underpowered.

Have you seen what happens to companies when they don't have competition or stop pushing the limit?

Underdog15
Underdog15
8 years ago

I completely understand why this generation would, to them, feel like it's dragged on and on… time only flies when you're having fun. Nothing worse than when a day of work goes by slowly… can you imagine how slow time would go by if you had 6 straight bad years?

Just sayin'… I completely understand why they feel like this generation has gone on for so long.

jjlive168
jjlive168
8 years ago

Lol sounds about right to me this guy makes PERFECT sense this finally gives us insight on why we have yet to play FFV or KH3 because they bombed this generation and are waiting on the next one thanks squaresuck for finally letting the cat out the bag now go back to your ios games and ports and ds remakes spin offs etc and come back to us real fans when you grow a pair and drop the Enix portion till then tales of xillia and Levsl-5 FTW an

Teddie9
Teddie9
8 years ago

Enough excuses square, we've been begging for results.

Ignitus
Ignitus
8 years ago

I agree. The mobile gaming explosion was going to happen anyways.

In the console world a development kit goes in the 1000's of dollars, normally between 20,000 and 50,000. While in the smartphone world is like a $100. The barrier of entry is very low and with lots, millions of users, what's not to like?

Besides, why are they complaining? They still need another 7 years to finish Versus.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
8 years ago

Break out your etchasketches

Translation: "We want you all to forget everything we've done this generation."

Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

His reasoning is clearly based on a precipice to defend new developers. New developers who try and gain visibility during new hardware launches so their game has more of a chance to be seen and purchased while the buying options are limited. And while large percentages of the populace haven't clamored in with a big dog franchise.

I really don't think this ideology serves to the benefit of SOny or MS because they put out millions upon millions of dollars to market new consoles with the hope to make back everything and more a few years down the road. The new hardware is only their to re-imagine what's possible given more power.

Personally, I don't think that's why Sony or MS are in this business. They're not in here to release new consoles every 5-6 years. They're in this business to grow an ecosystem of entertainment and services that continuously provide a means for profitability. I believe as real time computer generated graphics move closer and closer to realism we can forget having to repurchase new hardware in order to deliver diverse and exciting new entertainment as the pallete devs have to work from will largely be limited only by their imaginations.

Right now, if the next-gen does deliver performance at or around The Samaritan and the Agnus Prophecy demo, I'd like to see that gen carry on for at least twice the length of our current one.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 7/10/2012 12:47:22 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
8 years ago

SE screwed themselves this generation with their stupid exclusivity with MS at the beginning, the ludicrous time it took them to support the PS3, and the absolutely horrendous delays to games like FFXIV and FFvsXII which we have literally been waiting years to see.

Temjin001
Temjin001
8 years ago

I didn't realize S-E had any exclusive deals going with MS at the dawn of the gen. I suppose in hindsight The Last Remnant, Star Ocean and Infinite Undiscovery come to mind as the probable candidates. Each of which didn't seem very well received by either fans or critics alike. Mistwalker didn't seem to make any inroads either with Blue Dragon. LO was probably too little too late for an ecosystem that was conditioned to enjoying western RPG's and the award winning Oblivion title.

I pretty much think it was a mistake for eastern devs to have considered the Xbox market as something worth jumping ship for right on the onset. I agree that they should've put in place a frame work for designing and producing quality experiences for their flagship PS base before venturing to "greener pastures" with MS. Konami seemed to have done perfectly fine keeping MGS4 where people would identify with and receive it best.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 7/10/2012 3:15:59 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
8 years ago

Namco did it as well, that's why we never saw Tales of Vesperia or Idol master on PS3 here. They appeared on 360 and subsequently vanished without trace in the West. One of the other major Japanese publishers likewise opened themselves up to some MS exclusivity early on. As far as I can remember, none of the publishers that did so have done particularly well this generation.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
8 years ago

Temjin001,
I'm not sure what the basis is for Mistwalker's boss's hatred towards Sony, but he's said quite a few times already that they will never develop for Playstation.

But "hopefully" their future of never doing a Playstation game could be wrong, I mean just look at the complete turn-around from Dave Newell & Valve now loving the Playstation brand.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
8 years ago

Mistwalker is in love with iOS Biker. I doubt they will ever develop for PS, someone there really has it stuck in their craw over Sony – probably due to the fact that Microsoft provided the financial backing that got the studio started in 2004…just in time to work on 360 games. So, their dislike for PlayStation is somewhat institutionalized into the organization's very fiber. Also, they don't do the development themselves either, they just do the artistic stuff and leave the tech to someone else.