It's like every time you turn around, a once-proud Japanese franchise is suddenly, inexplicably floundering.

We've already caught wind of the possibility that Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City wasn't such a hot idea and now, the mediocre reviews are starting to come in for the highly anticipated Ninja Gaiden 3 .

When stuff like this happens, one can't help but to return to comments made by ex-Capcom boss Keiji Inafune. Last year, he criticized the Japanese gaming industry for falling behind the Western competition and only recently, he sounded off again , saying it may have "gotten worse." Thing is, since when do new Ninja Gaiden titles score so badly? Granted, they've been re-releasing basically the same game ( Ninja Gaiden Black ) for so long now, it has started to feel a little old and tired. And that's why Sigma Plus for the Vita wasn't so hot.

But NGIII? The brand new effort? The game that, by all rights, could've and perhaps even should've been the very best action game of 2012? There seems to be no end to this string of Japanese disappointments, and it's kinda depressing. Sometimes you have to wonder: are the developers aware they're letting these glorious franchises slide? Or do they really think they're doing a good job? Will Tecmo and Team Ninja be surprised by the poor critical reception?

Related Game(s): Ninja Gaiden 3

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DjEezzy
DjEezzy
9 years ago

I honestly think the Action/Hack n' Slash game of the year will either go to DmC or MGR: Revengeance. I'm actually leaning towards the latter. Platinum games are masters of that genre and i think their game will turn out amazing, especially when you consider it will be in collaboration with Kojima. DmC looks pretty sick too. I look forward to both actually. And lets not forget the dmc collection. Although it's not new… The first and third are great. This is unfortunate but not surprising.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

So is the new DMC actually going to be 30fps?

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Yeah, the Japanese are drifting further and further away.. sigh

But anyway, in a few hours I'll go to Gamestop and pick up NG3 and play and know for myself. IGN's NG3 review was retarded and so are so many others I've read. Retarded because few I've read even bother talking about the game comprehensively. I wish Gamestop would get with it. I liked their NGS Vita review, and felt it was reviewed by a guy I could believe.
I'm really curious about the harder diffulties. I did read somewhere that the hard modes do make differences to enemy types and aggressiveness etc. I'm wondering if "Master Ninja" or Ulitmate Ninja is where the fans should be looking.
Anyway, I really do question scores that claim it to be a 3 out of 10. Are these "professionals" really so biased that they allow whole criteria that should'nt be affected by their disdain for the new direction to be affected. Are the graphics really a 5/10? Or just just a 5 when they're grumpy.. anyway, I'll probably do a user-review myself.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

3/10 is a score so bad it's generally reserved for games that are one meltdown short of bricking your console. This kind of derisive score helps no one and fuels further xenophobia. It's precisely the same bill-crap that dogged WKC2.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Exactly.
And I remembered IGN's graphics score better than they gave it. It actually got a 4 out of 10.
So I'm expecting to play a game constantly riddled with visual flaws and inconsistencies that probably make it look worse than near every game ever released this console generation.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Wait, so IGN gave Ninja Gaiden a 3/10 because they don't like foreigners?

::face palm::

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

By xenophobia, he's referring to "strange" genres other than fps's and other game types considered fit for mass consumption.

I'll be eager to read your impressions, Sensei Temjin, on the game, as I'm waiting to pull the trigger, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind taking the dive first.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Jaw, you choose the reason. IGN is a small minded crew who's cultural horizons seem to be limited to about 2 game genre and very local borders.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

It's completely asinine and beneath you to call IGN a bunch of racists because they gave a Japanese game a less than impressive score. Your comment is absurd and completely uncalled for. People around here expect more from you than this.

You're being judgmental when you have zero evidence to support your "IGN are a bunch of xenophobes" assertion. They don't like the same games as you, it doesn't make them racists, culturally ignorant or afraid of foreigners. What this does expose however is your intolerance towards those who don't see things your way. It doesn't even make sense when you take into consideration the glowing reviews they have given past Final Fantasy games along with there near perfect scores for pretty much whatever Nintendo releases as well as Metal Gear Solid. All Japanese games and franchises.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/20/2012 1:31:12 PM

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

He mentioned "xenophobic", "genre", and "culture", but I didn't hear him bring up "race".

I tend to agree with Highlander's sentiments regarding IGN. They have some exceptions like Ryan Clements, Colin Moriarty, and Greg Miller (basically their ps team), as well as their former editor Chris Roper, but just about everyone else, including the new folk, are either obnoxiously slanted or jaded.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I didn't call anyone a racist Jawknee, that was your word choice not mine. I'll be very happy if you could please retract that accusation.

You can be small minded and have very local borders without in anyway shape or form being racist.

Nor for that matter did I assert that IGN are a bunch of xenophobes. I did say this "This kind of derisive score helps no one and fuels further xenophobia." That means not that IGN are xenophobic but that I think that derisive scores for games from Japanese publishers feeds the xenophobia of others looking for justification of their prejudice.

You and I are going to come to verbal blows if you continue to mis-state my posts or views to this extent. I expect a retraction of this crap from you.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/20/2012 1:56:56 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Shams, It has nothing to do with genres. You do not understand the proper definition of the word. Words have meanings and people need to choose their words carefully for the sake of accuracy.

xenophobia (ˌzɛnəˈfəʊbɪə)

—hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture

Highlander, I will not retract because you are making once again unfounded accusations and to be quite honest it's offensive. It's a silly conclusion to come to and once again exposes your dislike for your own adoptive culture. You revision of your first statement still doesn't make any sense. So because IGN gave a Japanese game a low score its going to fuel other peoples xenophobia towards the Japanese? One of the dumbest things I have ever read. Sorry for being so blunt but this is a non issue that you wish to find some kind of cultural bigotry in to fit your narrative that were all a bunch of culturally ignorant xenophobes.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Whatever Jawknee, you're projecting an awful lot onto me that is not there.

Saying that the people behind reviews are small minded or that they have narrow borders does not translate to your little essay on Xenophobia. Being critical of my adopted culture is neither an act against my adopted culture not is it a sign of a dislike for my adopted home or culture. It's a sign that I see that there are things that need to change, and there are. I haven't altered the meaning of anything I have said, I have been quite consistent, the only shifting of ground being done is that by you seeking to justify your accusations against me.

It's kind of ironic to be lectured about cultural bigotry by you.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/20/2012 2:22:34 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I never knew xenophobia was a word until today =p

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

For goodness sake! Choose another word then, you chose to use the word xenophobe. Not me. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I suggest you choose your words more carefully next time if you don't want to get called out on your silly accusation that everyone is a bigot who doesn't like Japanese games.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

It's here sitting next to me, Master Shams. I probably wont get a good chance at it until tonight.
Really, I'm entirely expecting the game to not measure up to Itagaki's vision, always have. But needless to say, the NG franchise is a beloved one of mine, and I really want to understand NG3 inside and out before I take it to Koei/Tecmo for disapproval. I'd also like to see more reviews being fair minded and objective in intent. I suspect Ben to be level-headed with it and hopefully Gamespot. I have no problem with a critic reviewing it bad, if they at least support their claims and suppositions with evidence that causes me to believe they know what they're talking about and have arrived at a conclusion that doesn't come across as offended policies and emotional unrest.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Jawknee,

In case you are wondering Xenophobia, from xenophobe;

A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign…

The words (xenophobe and xenophobia) can mean several things, but the root of the both is the fear or aversion to that which is alien, foreign(different), unfamiliar or unknown. It can apply to cultures, people, genre, idea or faiths.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Nuance.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Which you deliberately ignore.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Words mean what they mean Highlander. Don't try and give me your nuanced definition of the word in order to give yourself cover for making such a blatantly offensive and asinine statement.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I wrote what I wrote, you working so hard to take offense is not a reflection on my words, it is a reflection on your spirit.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Uh huh…I'm not the one who views some of my fellow counteymen as a bunch of bigots because they simply don't like certain video games and then tries to cover it up by manipulating the language used once called out on it.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Funny that, because neither am I. If I wanted to call them biogots, I would have. But I didn't because that's not what I wrote. Thanks so much though for completely distracting the discussion from the point. So very useful in furthering the discussion. One of these days maybe you will be able to open your eyes to the flaws of your society instead of getting pissed off when others point them out.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Projection much? Get over yourself Highlander. I've had enough of your self righteous arrogant America hating attitude. You constantly take swipes at our society, never having anything positive to say then when I call you out on it you pretend to be a victim and throw your little pitty party while accusing me of derailing the thread. Grow up and stop acting like you're the only one who has anything constructive to say. You see bigotry in video review scores, I see bigotry in YOU for accusing those who don't agree with your self obsorbed, bitter warped opinions as xenophobes.

You're a real piece of work.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/20/2012 5:21:53 PM

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

Jawknee, Pardon me for my intrusion, once again, but I am one of your "fellow country men", yet I didn't take offense of what Highlander said about IGN…Though I can read your Neo-con Uncle Tom act quite well.

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

I'll await your thoughts on NG3, then, Sensei Temjin.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Did you just call me an uncle tom? Weren't you banned once before for racist, bigoted garbage like this?

Keep it up chump…

Shams
Shams
9 years ago

Wow, you have a good memory. Yes, I got temp banned a few years ago, speaking in the forums, but Ben said he hadn't done it, and was quite welcoming of me. But, speaking of Ben, you've gotten on his bad side, recently, (regarding your butt-hurt reaction to his piece on Nintendo) since you can't seem to cool it, amigo.

I must say, for a person who's a roadie musician, besides your normal job, and having a family (congrats on that), you sure have a lot of time to duke it out here in the comment section. But, between you and me, I don't buy your bull, (though I tend to agree with your thoughts on gaming much of the time when you can manage to keep it to that 😉

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

No one asked you to buy my "bull" nor do I really care what you think about my convictions.

Gaming on the other hand? Fair enough…

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Jawknee,

YOu're an offensive person sometimes, has anyone told you that before? I may have, and I'm sure others have to. Your little flag waving patriot act may play well with the peanut gallery, but that's about it. It has no substance. You think that someone that can point to flaws in society should not do so? Or perhaps that they hate their society because they are pointing to flaws.

How much more does someone love their nation when they ignore, deny or hide the flaws and pretend that they simply don't exist, or that they are actually just being blown out of proportion by 'haters'? You call me a piece of work? You haven't a frickin' clue who or what I am, and you haven't the first clue about how I feel about the nation I *chose* to make my home.

I've had multiple arguments with you in the past that have devolved into political posturing by you, I'm glad that this one didn't go there at least, but the jingoism in your arguments is offensive to me as is the willful ignorance of the issues present.

You keep hurling words like racism, bigotry and xenophobia at me and claim that I have labeled such and such a section of reviewers or gamers as this, when I have done *nothing* of the sort.

These are the two sentences that generated your reaction;

"This kind of derisive score helps no one and fuels further xenophobia."

"IGN is a small minded crew who's cultural horizons seem to be limited to about 2 game genre and very local borders. "

No one was called xenophobic, no one was called a bigot or a racist – not by ME at least. The only thing that could be drawn as a targeted comment was that I think that the reviewers at IGN have narrow and inexperienced minds and do not have very broad horizons. All the hatred, racism, bigotry and accusations in this were manufactured by YOU.

You accuse me of being America hating? You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

LOL! Well you sure don't LIKE America as you have NEVER said anything positive. You just take cheap shots and don't expect anyone to say anything about it because it's a video game website. Then when I do you accuse me of derailing the thread. I know people respect you around here but that doesn't give you free reign to dump on my country. Don't bother replying again. I'm done with you and your games.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/21/2012 12:37:56 AM

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

/puts kettle on.

pillz81
pillz81
9 years ago

Lee Greenwood: I’m proud to be and American,
where at least I know I’m free.

Chris Rock: It's all right, cuz it's all white.


Last edited by pillz81 on 3/23/2012 1:03:27 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I'll refer you all to my previous posts about how Japanese games are received in the west. Whether or not Ninja Gaiden is any good does not reflect on Inafune, nor on the state of Japanese games in general.

Frankly, I think the problem that Ninja Gaiden 3 suffers from is specifically related to trying to cater to a fickle western audience. So the tinker with what makes the game great and end up with something less than great. Which is what always happen when you tinker with greatness. Too many people are buying into the BS that says that Japanese games are somehow falling behind or out moded. The trouble is that Japanese games made for general release are made by teams who a) have no confidence because everyone second guesses their every move, b) haven't got a clue what to do to somehow make their games more attractive to a fickle western audience that they don't understand, and c) are being led by management that has lost sight of the home market and the fact that in the past when games were made primarily for the Japanese home market, they still sold well in the west – so none of the pointless tinkering is needed.

If Japanese developers would simply have more confidence in themselves and make the best damned game they know how to, and stop trying to pander to the west, we'd get better games from them.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Interestingly, NG3 scored four 9's from the japanese publication, Famitsu.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed, the point I was making was that for western audiences, the tinkering to make the game more acceptable to the western tastes actually moves the game away from what the audience wants. the tinkering is pointless, and I do think t harms it in Japan, even if the reviews are more positive than the western ones.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Prediction: Some will cling on to the few positive reviews they can dig up and use those as proof that it's the reviewers and the media there's something wrong with – not the game and definitely not Japanese devs. Just you wait and see. 🙂


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/20/2012 12:47:02 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Prediction, Beamboom will say….oh, wait too late, he already did.

Your cultural chauvinism is charmingly naive.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Yeah that was almost spooky. When I wrote the comment all that were showing were DjEezzy's comment.

No need to be rude though.


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/20/2012 11:43:48 AM

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
9 years ago

Highlander seems to run rampant sometimes. Kind of has that he's above the law mentality. Just ignore those times. Otherwise he's a good read.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Crusader, I only ever give as good as I get, and do so sparingly. Beamboom simply enjoys playing devil's advocate far, far, far too much.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

But I'm not even advocating anything here? And nowhere is your name mentioned, Highlander. It's not a reply to any of your comments, I didn't even know if you were online or not. You are taking this far, far, far too personal.

I was merely predicting how this article would be commented by a group of fans.
You are not the only one who refuse to accept what even the Japanese developers themselves are trying to tell you. Heck, even when Ben, a guy everyone KNOWS share the love and affection for Japanese games and whose judgement you usually trust is telling you there *is* a problem you refuse to accept it.

It must be allowed to have just a little bit of fun with that.

But when you take off with your accusations about racism and whatnot, well that's unnecessary I think.


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/21/2012 6:02:00 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

You and Jawknee are really trying to get on my nerves today aren't you? Neither of you appears to want to actually read, and both of you wish to make accusations about the content of my comments that are simply untrue.

Smart edit to remove your accusation against me calling someone a racist.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/20/2012 2:06:22 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Yea because I have nothing better to do than try and get on your nerves. Stop playing the victim. You made a dumb accusation and I called you out on it because it was an offensive thing to say. Man up.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Excuse me Jawknee, but you're the one throwing the dumb accusations around.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

I'm… What?

"Your cultural chauvinism is charmingly naive."

Who is trying to get on anyones nerve there, Highlander? What kind of "dumb accusation" is that?

Should I reply like that, I would have started talking about "your cultural idolism" who I find "uncharmingy fanatic" and "utterly in denial".

But you don't see me reply like that, do you? Instead I answer by slowly and carefully explaining that the comment was NOT directed at you in particular. No use of irony, no use of humour, and definitely not trying to get on your nerves.

You must soon start to understand that you are far, far too sensitive in these regards. You know I am not the first to tell you this. It is about time to start connecting the dots here.

Sure, I often disagree on different topics. I am not afraid of voicing the lesser popular point of view. But I am never, NEVER out to get anyone.


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/20/2012 3:41:54 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

… But what *is* really the difference between "cultural chauvinism" and racism? Isn't it just a pseudo-intellectual way of putting it? That's how I immediately understood you. But your intense denial over the word made me retract.

However, looking it up in thefreedictionary com it is defined as "ethnocentrism", meaning
"The tendency to evaluate other groups according to the values and standards of one's own ethnic group, especially with the conviction that one's own ethnic group is superior to the other groups.",

continuing:
1) a belief in the inherent superiority of the "race" or group to which one belongs.
2) a proclivity to consider other ethnic groups in terms of one's own racial origins.

… How is that not to call someone a racist, again? And all during a discussion about poor ratings of a video game. Your frenetic denial of reality is really starting to reach psychotic heights here.


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/21/2012 7:13:14 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Beamboom, I understand that English is not your first language, and I know that Norwegians in general speak Excellent English, typically with better grammar than native English speakers. But please do not try to engage in sophistry with my words.

Chauvinism is that attitude that says that something is better than some other thing. Cultural chauvinism is something that all of us are guilty of to one extent or another and has absolute crap all to do with racism. Yet again, I find myself feeling that you are taking a contrarian point of view to generate a reaction which is *nothing* more than trolling.

Like Jawknee you're trying to twist words and weasel your way into calling me a racist. Both of you are as peas in a pod, you're both offensive to the extreme.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/21/2012 9:42:22 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Ok THAT's it. One can only put up with so much. This is enough.

*I* am trying to twist WHAT?
It's not ME who say this, it's the DICTIONARY, ffs! So you even deny the friggin' DEFINITION of the expression, try to make even THIS as something I'm just saying to provoke you? Is thefreedictionary there just to troll you too, then? The rest of the world versus the High'n'mighty? Poor you being the victim of a dictionary scam?

So, when I looked it up to see what you really meant with that remark of yours and discovered so, should I just have not responded, just taken it like a man and accepted it. Is that what you would have preferred, HIGHlander?

SOMETIMES a tad more humble attitude would suit you. Just a brief woken moment, where you could go, "ok, so I was mistaken. And I shouldn't jump straight for the guns and start throwing such insults after you.", just for once, ONCE admit something.

Offensive? Me? I can't believe my eyes. YOU talk about being offensive after having just claimed that I have, and I quote again,

1) a belief in the inherent superiority of the "race" or group to which one belongs.
2) a proclivity to consider other ethnic groups in terms of one's own racial origins.

And after that you find ME offensive?! No, "ok BB this went off the rails. Sorry, my temper got the better of me". No admittance of error *whatsoever*? Instead I TROLL you???

Do you WANT me to start trolling you? Is that what you want? Just so you can compare and see if you notice any difference?
Who knows! Maybe there will be no difference! Maybe you were completely right! Maybe I AM trolling you when I reply to your insults.
Shall we try and see? You might be right! I might be just a troll, always has been! You are usually right, aren't you?
So, wanna give it a try?


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/21/2012 12:13:36 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

No more of this right here. Don't care who started it, just no more.