Granted, nothing is official right now, so this entire article might fall very, very flat if the rumor turns out false.

But based on what we've seen and heard, there seems to be a damn good chance that Assassin's Creed III will tackle the Revolutionary War. And if that's the case, I have a PSA for my fellow gamers:

Too many people in this country are clueless about the history of the United States. Either schools aren't doing their jobs or there simply isn't enough emphasis on our country's roots in the classroom. Whatever the reason, I find it appalling that so many seem to care so little. That being said, I admit to being more interested in history than the average person, which is probably why I've loved the critically acclaimed Assassin's Creed franchise.

There's no doubt that Ubisoft creates a mesmerizing atmosphere each and every time. Regardless of the setting, I have stood and looked around countless times; I often turned on the game just to wander the streets of 16th-century Italy. The attention to detail is absolutely unparalleled this generation in my eyes, which is why if ACIII is set during the colonial period of the US, I'll be ecstatic. All Americans should appreciate the chance to see a virtual reincarnation of a land that was beneath our forefathers' feet. The game itself is almost irrelevant; we so rarely see such a powerful homage to our country's history in this industry.

World War II, sure. But the Civil War? The Revolutionary War? Even games that just so happen to take place on American soil? Not exactly common. And to have a franchise like Assassin's Creed adopt such a fresh and enticing setting is fantastic; this is about as close as we're going to get to our past. Hopefully , the story won't make a mockery of the true history, and I also hope Ubisoft can resist the urge to get all liberal and provide us with a revisionist – i.e., false – history for the sake of the adventure. But above all else, I just want to see it. I really do.

And I shouldn't be the only one. Hell, if this is done correctly, I wouldn't be against a history teacher showing parts of this game in a class. Normally, I don't think electronics of any kind has any viable place in school (outside of learning to type) but I might relax my rule in this case.

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Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
9 years ago

Although I never played any of the AC games, I'm getting quite intrigued by this one. Just might give it a shot.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

"Too many people in this country are clueless about the history of the United States."

Amen Ben. Amen.


Last edited by maxpontiac on 3/1/2012 9:48:55 PM

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
9 years ago

I watched this HBO special on American history with Robert Wuhl aptly named Assume the Position 101 with Mr. Wuhl. That made it seem that a lot of the history was made up. With the slogan "the stories that made America and the stories that America made up." or something like that. It was entertaining but i wouldn't know how much of it is true.

In the end he does give a very insightful story of how giving the middle finger came to be.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Well, too many of the people in your country are clueless about the history of the world OUTSIDE your borders too. 😀


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/2/2012 5:37:01 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

It's true. Can you believe some Americans think the second world war started in 1942 just because of Pearl Harbor??

The number of times I've heard that is appalling. Both Canada and the US used to be educational juggernauts. Now we're both mixed in somewhere in the top 20… and in the double digits I'm pretty sure. And our obesity rates are in the top 5.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

The America bashing is getting old fellas. Give it a rest.

And we don't think that's when the war started Underdog. That's when America got involved.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 10:25:46 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Where's the bashing Jawk? I know I didn't bash America here. Just because we don't think it's the be-all-end-all doesn't mean we bash it.

I'm pretty sure my post lumped the US and Canada together in the same boat, did I not?

Educated Americans know full well WW2 started in 1937. My comment was on the educational systems in general. As for Beamboom's comment, he has a point. Some people are disinterested in US history and don't know much about it. So what? How much do you know about the histories of our countries? I know I know nothing about Norway, for example. I'm sure you, Jawk, know nothing about Canada or Norway. I also know the names of every state. Can you name our 13 provinces and territories? Probably not, and I don't hold that against you either. Why would you need to know?

No one's bashing, here, dude. We just aren't on the American band-wagon. So what? I don't expect you to be on the Canadian band wagon. Everyone SHOULD be proud of where they come from. It's sad that some people want to leave their country. We should be happy we all like our own homelands best. That's the way the world SHOULD be.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 10:28:57 AM

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Beamboom – Not sure if that comment of yours was intended to be smug or not, but in any case, I agree with you.

No matter where you go in the world, people as whole don't have a clue.

Underdog – If you want to get technical, WW2 did start for the US with Peal Harbor. Sure, the US was involved with aid to Europe at the time, but up until that point, the US was not formally involved until there was a Declaration of War.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

No one said you have to be on our bandwagon but between this thread and the previous, you and beam have posted some insulting and arrogant posts. Funny we Americans are always accused of arrogance and thinking were better than everyone else yet it's mostly European and Candadians, especially ony this site who seem to make most of the snide and arrogant comments about Americans. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 10:32:46 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Jawk
Yeahhh… you're definitely reading far too deeply into things.

Go back and read everything I've written. More than 3 or 4 times I talked about how the American Revolution is a neat time with it's own cool quirks… about how my only issue is my own disinterest but mainly the lack of gameplay abilities I foresee.

I've said many times how much I respect the US and value friendship. I've acknowledged the power of the US army. I've acknowledged how important it is to have a strong military leader that stands up for human rights. I've said it's sad some countries have people that not only want to leave, but NEED to leave. I've said we should all love our own countries.

Anything bad about the US I've said was about NA culture in general, and I often tied in Canada as part of the issue.

All I said was that I was disinterested in an American setting because I feel 90% of our media focuses on the US. And then I defended myself in the face of blacklisting from you and Max all because I didn't feel the US setting was the best one to go with. And I clearly stated it had everything to do with NOTHING other than the fact I have absolutely no ancestral or political ties with the US. I clearly stated why I thought Europe would be better (Because of the fact we all have a tie with it one way or another).

Even when I talked about "american attitude" i said that I know it isn't true, and that you know it isn't true and Max knows it isn't true, but HERE'S why so many people think that. It's the same reason why people think ALL religion is bad. It's because the asshats out there are the ones with the loud obnoxious voices, and so, they are the ones people form their opinions around.

I was upset with Max for getting mad at me for not being interest in American history. That is all.

Not ONCE did I ever bash the US. If anything, I defended the US MORE OFTEN than say anything critical. And 90% of the time I said anything bad, I tied in Canada as being a part of that same culture.

So don't point your finger at me. Stop latching onto the one or two things I might have said the irked you, and realize the holistic point of view I have. Maybe then you'd realize the respect I have for people at this site (most of the folks I get along with are American! How often do me and Beamboom disagree? Like… every day! lol!) Maybe you'd think about why I am apart of a community that is dominated by Americans. It's because I enjoy myself here and the people here.

Seriously… who cares if I think there are more interesting things than the US Revolution? Seriously? So freakin' what?

At any rate, I resent your last post to the max. For all the reasons I just stated.

@Max
I don't think it's respectful to the world that was involved to deny a war's existence just because it took a while for 1 or 2 countries to get involved via declaration. The US was involved before that whether there was a declaration or not. It didn't become a world war once the US got there. It was already a world war for 5 years. My grandfather told me about a couple Americans he knew who came to Canada in the last 1930's, became official Canadians just so they could join the RCAF and help out in the war. So, clearly, it mattered even to Americans before 1942. I don't think it should be taught as 1942, especially if, even for Americans at the time, they knew about the war and wanted to help. Even if just out of respect for the veterans (some of which are still alive!)


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 10:58:22 AM

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Underdog – You read way to much into our discussion. I posted this in the other thread, but I wasn't mad. Still ain't either.

Blacklisting? Come on man. I don't do that. You voiced your opinion, as did I.

Plus, that attitude you speak about it EVERYWHERE. Every nation on this planet has it. People everywhere complain about, or have an attitude about some foriegn country.

I do NOT have a problem with you not liking AC's move to America. You don't have to like it, but I for one, will enjoy this one more then the previous ones because of not only where it set, but when.

THIS, is exactly why I avoid internet discussions.

EDIT – See, you might be taking certain people's views the wrong way. I don't expect everyone to understand the intricacies of WW2 beyond their borders. Some people just don't have the desire to pursue that. My Grandfather and Uncle were Fighting Seebees in WW2. They did NOT get involved until after December 1942. To people like my Grandmother and Aunt, neither did they. Just because it was the case for your family, it doesn't mean it's the case for everyone!


Last edited by maxpontiac on 3/2/2012 11:05:49 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I suppose it matters to our family a lot more. My wife's grandparents are Dutch and lived in Holland during the war. They were occupied by Germany and while a couple Allied countries fought there to free them, their town was liberated by Canadian soldiers. (My wife's grandmother still remembers they were hiding Jews, and at the end of a fight, a soldier broke into the cellar where they were hiding from the fighting. They thought it was a German and thought they were going to die because of the Jews. The soldier pointed at his Canadian flag and said, "mother mother, friend, friend, Canada!". They all cried. lol

So yeah, I guess for my whole family and my wife's, WW2 is likely a softer spot than for most.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 11:11:41 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Fair enough underdog. I just find it incredibly insulting when Beam calls us stupid then you follow up with an accusation that isn't even true. It's fine if you don't care for this game taking place where it is. That is your opinion and I have no problem with that. That is why i disnt challenge you in the other thread. However, It's the comment that we all think WWII started with Pearl Harbor or snarky comments like "I agree with Max in that the USA thinks the USA has the coolest everything.".

Im sure you can understand how that comes off as condescending right?

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Underdog – I could imagine that your relatives dealt with hardships we can't even fathom. My family has only served on the Pacific Ocean side of things until 1991.

Oh, I believe any family that was involved in any War has a soft side to conflicts, and a defensive nature. It's all good.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Well, to be fair, Max actually defended why the US -SHOULD- think WW2 started in 1942… so, it's probably less snarky than it is an observation at this point. :s

As for the toys part, I was literally referring to toys. And it was a joke, not an insult. Everyone and their auntie knows everything in NA culture is about being "bigger" and "better". Just watch commercials for children's toys. I thought that was sort of something we all agreed on and roll our eyes at… the whole bigger, faster, stronger, etc. etc. etc. stuff that dominates commercialism.

But yeah, I thought my tone there wasn't perceived as a serious notch in anyone's hat. Especially since right after I said something like, "seriously though" or "on a serious note". I had hoped that would indicate the prior statement wasn't altogether serious.

@Max
It's probably no surprise the only world history that really interests me deeply after 1700 involves the world wars… That's probably why. lol


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 11:29:55 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Also, you know I respect you and even if I had something negative to say about Canada I wouldn't do it here nor would I imply that most of your population are stupid or ignorant.

wackazoa
wackazoa
9 years ago

Just a quick jump in for America…..

D-day when Americans landed on French shores June 6, 1944. V-E day May 2,1945………
Coincidence ?????

Ha.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I don't get it.

@Jawk
On a side not unrelated to country, most people are not stupid. Most people in the world are typically pretty ignorant, though. Most don't really see the world beyond themselves. I'm sure I'm not any different, if I'm honest. It's almost a practiced skill to be able to see the world through another's eyes.

Most of that can be blamed on just plain old not having enough access to ALL the facts, though. I'm sure if we all knew EXACTLY what all our governments did, we'd see things much differently.

(Canada's currently undergoing an investigation about some dirty politicking. It's possible our election last year involved some fake calls to people purposely giving them misinformation about where to vote in an effort to suppress the vote. No facts have really been released yet, but the fact this investigation is even has to happen makes me mad.)


Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 12:06:00 PM

wackazoa
wackazoa
9 years ago

" Most of that can be blamed on just plain old not having enough access to ALL the facts, though. I'm sure if we all knew EXACTLY what all our governments did, we'd see things much differently "

Nah man… most people tend to think they are better than low. In other words, "I cant believe that they did this, I never would have"
kind of mentality. I think thats why soldiers have such a hard time coming back from war. It doesnt matter how you see things, only how they are.

If most people saw the things our government did they would be upset. Could you imagine if they had profiled the 9/11 hijackers before they got on the plane ? The government would have heard such venom it would be crazy. (Because if they had kept the 9/11 Islamist off the plane we have no 9/11.)

So I dont think having facts is the thing, I think having faith is. Do you have faith in a Government. Do you have faith in a theory. Do you have faith that a video game company will be able to tell a story about the history of another country, and reach those gamers without hurting feelings and possibly hurting sales of future game of the franchise ?


Last edited by wackazoa on 3/2/2012 12:28:58 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

I never said anyone were stupid?
What I hinted at in my post up there was that I believe people are just as clueless about what has happened outside the borders than inside – and rewrote that quote of Ben to match that claim. You know, just to be witty.

What I *do* think though, is that it's a shame that this series shift focus to the United States simply cause that's where most things in the entertainment industry takes place, across all channels. It's simply too much.
That is what I think is a shame, for reasons that are much better explained by several in the PSX Gaming Forums, in the thread "Gaming News". Feel free to check it out if you want to. 🙂


Last edited by Beamboom on 3/2/2012 12:39:53 PM

Teddie9
Teddie9
9 years ago

Even though I'm Canandian I must agree with Jawk, were a little too critical of the US sometimes. I was a little put off initially and I apologize for that, it was a gut feeling. But my mother (who likes to hear from me what's going on in the storyline from each title to the next) was absolutely distasteful when she saw the gameinformer cover image actually saying that "they ruined the series".

Which is an absolutely insane and foolish thing to say, but she didn't give it a second thought. I really think we need to back off on this one Underdog.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

It's not bashing if it's true. But I guess the truth does hurt, so one might try to falsely call it "bashing".

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I don't need to back off at all, dude. I'm not saying the US is bad or the setting for a game or story is bad. I'm saying the AC series could pick from a BAZILLION different settings in history and it would be better. Where's the parkour?

Victor321
Victor321
9 years ago

I'm from Canada, and I learned about the American Revolution, the Civil War, etc. and connecting the many historical events (more prominently in the 20th century)from the perspective of Canada AND the US; what they did, who did what, why this treaty was significant, the effects of that event on Canada/US. I look back, and I think that was pretty cool, learning history like that 🙂


Last edited by Victor321 on 3/1/2012 9:59:15 PM

PSTan
PSTan
9 years ago

AC is probably my favorite game series this gen, can't wait to see what gameplay innovations and immersive world Ubi gives us. A three year development period tends to yield fantastic results.

However, story-wise, I sorta think the series has lost its way in some respects, and I REALLY want to know what happens to Desmond and his time period.

bebestorm
bebestorm
9 years ago

Ben Its official Game Informer two covers says it all. Im so excited for this game.. Game should be very interesting. I wonder who will be templars.

History has never been a favorite of mine but Ubi has done a good job opening my mind to it.

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

Well I think the problem today is that history has become so political that facts are being skewed and even completely made up to support one ideology or another.

As for not enough games taking place on American soil, well I have to disagree with you here Ben. Sure there may not be that many games that take place on American soil, but most games out there have an American protagonist. While it would be very interesting and a great learning opportunity, as someone who is not an American I wouldn't mind having a game that didn't involve the US. (and yes I know the previous AC games were all in Europe, I'm talking about games in general). It's nothing against you guys, it's just with most tv movies and games being centered on America I think a little break here and there would do our relationship some good.

Edit: I am NOT saying that I wouldn't love the game if this is true.


Last edited by matt99 on 3/1/2012 10:38:40 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It's just that… our entertainment productions are so much better than yours 😉


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/1/2012 10:43:41 PM

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

hey! we do have Ubisoft montreal! Although when it comes to movies and tv…even the proudest Canadian will admit defeat.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

True true, I think there's some Visceral folks in Montreal too. I couldn't denigrate them.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

That's exactly it, Matt.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I dunno, Matt.

Hockey Night in Canada is probably the best television broadcast in the world!

;p

But in all seriousness, you're right.

Although, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World was canadian… that was pretty sweet. But 1 exception hardly makes a rule. Canadian's have a huge presence in tv and movies, but the money is in the states. So that's the best place to make them, for sure.

lol, even our best Canadian stations play American content for sitcoms, dramas, etc.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
9 years ago

Man, you can't swing a digital hose in youtube without hitting a channel whose owners are based in canada.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

The schools do their job just fine, kids just don't care these days and don't pay attention or remember. However it doesn't really matter because the history that is taught in schools is already revisionist and false (until you get to college). I just wonder if Ubisoft will follow the false narrative we were taught in school or bring in some historians to get it right. It was a damn huge stretch for ACR to include a Greek Fire cannon. It was never used in that particular manner.

I follow history with a passion and the only problem I can see for this game is that I can't think of where they could set it that would make it interesting for a city-scaling assassin.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/1/2012 10:45:07 PM

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

You are on point… people as a whole don't care about much past themselves.

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

As someone who just graduated high school I have to agree. Personally I loved history class and had a great teacher, but most of my friends couldn't give a rats ass about history, complaining about learning about a bunch of stuff that's already happened. What they fail to realize, and what most people fail to realize, is that history does in fact repeat itself and there are numerous lessons to be learned from past mistakes and successes.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It's very sad too because history is so rich and fascinating and there is no better vantage point from which to view current events than the one a person who knows about history possesses.

Every day I see fools repeating history because they learned nothing from the past.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I disagree. Public schools are not getting the job done. We continue to fall behind the rest of the world in terms of academics and we spend the most money. Public schools have diverted their attention away from the kids and focused it more on the teachers unions and their pensions. My best friends older sister has a daughter who is 8 years old and didn't even know what cursive penmanship was. Utterly pathetic.

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

Well Jawknee I can't speak for the American school system but in Canada it's really not the schools, our educational system is pretty good. In my experience it's the students who are the problem, I mean teachers can only do so much with a student who is not willing to learn. Again that's not all students, but I have so many friends who are good people and pretty smart, but just don't have a desire to learn. Maybe it's a completely different situation in the US but that's the biggest problem I see in Canada.

Edit: Although I do agree with you about the unions in Canada and the US, it's gotten to the point where a teacher can only get fired for sleeping with a student or something extreme, and the result is a bunch of crappy teachers who really should be fired.


Last edited by matt99 on 3/2/2012 12:29:28 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

No matter what is happening with the unions and the pensions it's the presented material that matters and when the kids grow up in a Twitterverse that turns them into attention-span lacking spazoids they do what everybody else is doing: just enough to get by.

While I think personally that we need a fundamental restructuring of the way the public school system works, you can't say the proper information isn't available and being taught. The problem is nobody is listening.

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

Exactly world, I had a friend who texted through class all semester and then didn't understand why she only got Cs and Ds.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Jawknee-

This is definitely a story with two sides. There is a lot wrong with schools I'll agree. But the students can learn with a willingness. I'm taking college courses now, majoring in engineering, and I can do the work because I put in the time. But when I was younger, I didnt even begin to comprehend pre-algebra because I didn't care too. In elementary and grade school I did ok in class though, but high school, I just didn't care. It wasn't because the school was incapable of teaching the students. So a lot falls on the student as well. I've always thought though that schools need to be more engaging with the student.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 3/2/2012 12:48:19 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Maybe we don't disagree much after all. Indeed the information is there and there are more distractions tempting kids, but the adults have become distracted as well. Too often it is about tenure over the kids needs.

Matt, I don't know enough about the Canadian public school system to comment but regarding this:

"Exactly world, I had a friend who texted through class all semester and then didn't understand why she only got Cs and Ds."

…I will say that I think that problem has to do with the lack of authority in the class room. Wouldn't you agree that the teacher should be allowed and should do something to stop that kind of behavior while class is in session?

Railer, too many kids don't do it willingly. World and I are from the same generation, there were some that loved it but fact is a lot of kids didn't care. That's where the adults need to work harder. But they don't. Younger kids will be distracted no matter what, teachers need to lead them and keep them focused and meet their needs first but too many are not because once they get tenure, there little repercussions for poor performance like Matt said. You know as well as I do most human beings, and a lot of human beings are teachers, will slack off at a job if they know there is little that can be done to fire them. I know there are some good teachers out there but far to many of them are failing these kids.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 1:07:36 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I never had a problem with a teacher because of the issues they had with their jobs, we all have issues with the systems that employ us, the only teachers I had a problem with simply weren't suited to teaching. My 2c

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Their job issues don't have to bleed into their job performance, what I mean to say and I think Matt agrees is that a not having to worry about your performance to keep your job is going to produce a lot of slackers. With out hard working teachers, kids will learn less.


Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 1:14:22 AM

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

Jawknee, I agree that there's an authority issue but there isn't much a teacher can do nowadays with parent councils and all that it's almost as if students have a union too, so many teachers stop caring about what a student does as long as it doesn't distract someone else. And in fact this particular teacher pulled my friend aside several times throughout the semester and told her why she was doing so poorly, and that is just one out of 20 or so students who pretty much all have cell phones ipods etc. So basically the teacher said I'm going to teach those who are willing to learn.

And yeah I agree teachers are like any other human, most want to be good at what they do but at the same time if they can do less they do.

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

The real problem is that parents, who used to side with the teachers in trying to educate their kids, now too often side with the delinquent children. Teachers, far from being secure in their position of authority, are unable to assert any control over their classrooms due to fear of objections by parents who coddle their "babies".

Proof: what the hell is Matt's friend doing with a phone inside a classroom, much less actually texting? If I were in charge of that class, that phone would be confiscated and only returned at a parent/teacher conference. Good luck to any teacher who tries that.


Last edited by Fane1024 on 3/2/2012 2:08:00 AM

matt99
matt99
9 years ago

Teachers no longer have the power, and the kids know it. And really highschoolers aren't mature enough to have that kind of freedom in a classroom, the seniors maybe, but certainly not the 9s and 10s. So it's really hard to put the blame on one single party and it's going to take a collective effort to fix the problem.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

You all have excellent points, I think.

Certainly there are many different problems, and in my opinion, it needs a big overhaul. At least in Canada, a big problem lies in the hands of the government who decide exactly how they want to fund education.

We have piss-poor extracurricular opportunities, for example. And if my phys ed degree taught me anything, recreation impacts every aspect of life. But kids can't join clubs, play a sport, or drama, or music, or nearly anything these days without first making a tryout of some kind, you know?

Also, decisions are made that take control away from teachers. In Ontario, you can't dock a student marks for handing in an assignment late… Like… it's so stupid. You can hand everything in on the last day and get full credit. And if a student skips class? The solution is to suspend them… "You didn't come to school… therefore… you can't come to school."

Basically, the government's design is to GRADUATE people as quickly and cheaply as possible. If people fail, it costs them more money to educate them for a longer period of time. And that's the new basis in canada for educational funding.

That, along with like… a million other issues I have, it's no wonder our world ranking continues to slip. And with new thinking in letting youth think freely and learn freely, they've blurred the line between black and white… so ADD or ADHD kids are suddenly allowed to have their media devices in class… If you can't do work, you must have a learning disability.

An estimated 40% of students classified by their schools in Ontario as having a learning disability, have not been diagnosed by a counseling psychologist or psychiatrist as this being the actual case.

How pathetic is that!?

What is even more interesting, is the deeper you dig into the issues, the more apparent it is that everything comes down to streamlining kids OUT of the system… It's designed to have people succeed. NOT to challenge. (You need to register for advanced classes for that… none of which are mandatory. Only recommended for those that want to go into post-secondary. And even then… it isn't mandatory!!!)

And even post secondary has issues!!! Undergraduate programs take more and more students in all the time. And the model there has become about being a business model for the school to make money. Whether you succeed or not is irrelevant. It's EASY to get into an undergrad program.

No WONDER an undergrad doesn't really get you very far anymore. And no WONDER high school is not the MINIMUM standard for any job. No WONDER if you want to get anywhere in life without owning something you have to either know people or have a Master's degree or greater.

And geeze-louise, no wonder our NA educational systems drop down the rankings nearly every year for the past 15 years.

D1g1tal5torm
D1g1tal5torm
9 years ago

It's the parents who do/dont teach proper values to their children.

If you teach tem respect for each other and for their elders/what's rigth and wrong it would be the foundation for children behaiving themselves.

They are allowed to get away with far too much these days, which is the root couase of a lot of issues.

On a side note…

What's wrong with the term 'joined-up writing'?